Kyrie Irving Goodbye Thread

JR Hawks · Post #641 » by **JR Hawks** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:35 pm

I see Kyrie still gets free rent in the heads of some Celtics fans.

Kyrie was far from perfect, but there was plenty for him to not like about Boston....a fanbase that went into full attack mode when they heard he MIGHT leave, a supporting cast of immature guys that were too young to be on a contender (GM's fault), and a coach with no clue how to feature stars on offense.

s1ickd · Post #642 » by **s1ickd** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:55 pm

JR Hawks wrote:I see Kyrie still gets free rent in the heads of some Celtics fans.

Kyrie was far from perfect, but there was plenty for him to not like about Boston....a fanbase that went into full attack mode when they heard he MIGHT leave, a supporting cast of immature guys that were too young to be on a contender (GM's fault), and a coach with no clue how to feature stars on offense.

Wrong.

Did Brad not know how to feature stars on offense in the game 1 blowout against Miliwaukee? Or in other big wins during the year against the Warriors, Sixers, and beloved Raptors?

Kyrie stopped playing within the system. He started chucking contested fadaway jumpers early in the shot clock.

I knew he was a bum the moment he wasn't on the bench to support his team during game 7 of the ECF the prior year.

Danny and Brad made mistakes, but they've done too much right otherwise for me to change my opinion of them. I wouldn't whipe myself with Kyrie if I was left with no other option. Useless con artist.

Curmudgeon · Post #643 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:26 pm

Well, it seems quite likely that he and Durant are plotting to team up in Brooklyn. Don't slam the door on the way out.

threrf23 · Post #644 » by **threrf23** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:41 pm

s1ickd wrote:
JR Hawks wrote:I see Kyrie still gets free rent in the heads of some Celtics fans.

Kyrie was far from perfect, but there was plenty for him to not like about Boston....a fanbase that went into full attack mode when they heard he MIGHT leave, a supporting cast of immature guys that were too young to be on a contender (GM's fault), and a coach with no clue how to feature stars on offense.

Wrong.

Did Brad not know how to feature stars on offense in the game 1 blowout against Miliwaukee? Or in other big wins during the year against the Warriors, Sixers, and beloved Raptors?

Kyrie stopped playing within the system. He started chucking contested fadaway jumpers early in the shot clock.

I knew he was a bum the moment he wasn't on the bench to support his team during game 7 of the ECF the prior year.

Danny and Brad made mistakes, but they've done too much right otherwise for me to change my opinion of them. I wouldn't whipe myself with Kyrie if I was left with no other option. Useless con artist.

In this October BR Magazine article, there's a story from Kyrie's last season in Cleveland.

Critics would point out, rightly, that those virtues haven't always been evident. In Cleveland, coaches and teammates were constantly pleading with Irving to be a more willing passer and playmaker—in essence, to be a better teammate. James himself called out Irving publicly, more than once, for his paltry assist numbers.

Irving rebuffed those pleas. He viewed himself as a scorer first and foremost. And that led to some furious arguments with the coaching staff. Witnesses recall one particularly profane exchange at a shootaround Feb. 1, 2017. That night, as if to prove a point, Irving went out and dropped 10 assists in the first half against Minnesota. He had just four in the second half.

"Just to stick it up everyone's ass," says one Cleveland source who considers Irving a friend. "He can do it any time he wants to."

Irving sat out the next game with a sore quad, and then averaged 5.3 assists in the next four. A passive-aggressive mind game? That's certainly how some Cavs officials viewed it.

In hindsight, it really feels to me as if this is approximately what happened during the Bucks series.

DarkAzcura · Post #645 » by **DarkAzcura** » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:46 pm

People still think Brad runs a system that doesn’t feature top players? Lol. IT averaged 30 a game here, and Kyrie took any shot he wanted with no repercussion whatsoever. He took 19 shots a game. That’s a ton, and he was allowed to do his favorite thing on the planet in isolating.

Again this is a read and react system. Every player on this team is empowered to make whatever reads they want out there for the most part, and Stevens empowered Kyrie, as the PG, to be the central decision maker in almost our entire read and react offense. That’s the definition of being featured.

You aren’t even stuck running sets in a predefined system in Boston as often as some other teams. That’s part of Stevens promise as a coach, that he can adapt to most player’s play style. We went from a ball movement heavy team to an isolation focused team because the personnel called for it, and Stevens rolled with it. If anything I think Stevens needs to change a bit here and not let players, especially players like Kyrie, control the offense so much. He was over-featured if anything.

The issue in the end could had been poor player mixture. Smart, Baynes, Hayward, and Horford all thrive in a ball movement play style. Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and Kyrie do not (hoping this changes for Tatum and Brown soon). Morris was surprisingly able to fit into both styles, though he generally leans isolation. Mixing those 9 together led to conflict in play style and either Ainge needed to recognize that or Stevens should had gotten rid of the read and react system which generally allows players to free lance (i.e. Kyrie doing whatever the hell he wanted to do/being featured). That leads to messy results for players who like ball movement and vice versa.

Scarletfire81 · Post #646 » by **Scarletfire81** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:20 pm

LOL

Read on Twitter

hickfromfrenchlick · Post #647 » by **hickfromfrenchlick** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:04 am

JR Hawks wrote:I see Kyrie still gets free rent in the heads of some Celtics fans.

Kyrie was far from perfect, but there was plenty for him to not like about Boston....a fanbase that went into full attack mode when they heard he MIGHT leave, a supporting cast of immature guys that were too young to be on a contender (GM's fault), and a coach with no clue how to feature stars on offense.

Jaqua92 · Post #648 » by **Jaqua92** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:40 am

DarkAzcura wrote:People still think Brad runs a system that doesn’t feature top players? Lol. IT averaged 30 a game here, and Kyrie took any shot he wanted with no repercussion whatsoever. He took 19 shots a game. That’s a ton, and he was allowed to do his favorite thing on the planet in isolating.

Again this is a read and react system. Every player on this team is empowered to make whatever reads they want out there for the most part, and Stevens empowered Kyrie, as the PG, to be the central decision maker in almost our entire read and react offense. That’s the definition of being featured.

You aren’t even stuck running sets in a predefined system in Boston as often as some other teams. That’s part of Stevens promise as a coach, that he can adapt to most player’s play style. We went from a ball movement heavy team to an isolation focused team because the personnel called for it, and Stevens rolled with it. If anything I think Stevens needs to change a bit here and not let players, especially players like Kyrie, control the offense so much. He was over-featured if anything.

The issue in the end could had been poor player mixture. Smart, Baynes, Hayward, and Horford all thrive in a ball movement play style. Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and Kyrie do not (hoping this changes for Tatum and Brown soon). Morris was surprisingly able to fit into both styles, though he generally leans isolation. Mixing those 9 together led to conflict in play style and either Ainge needed to recognize that or Stevens should had gotten rid of the read and react system which generally allows players to free lance (i.e. Kyrie doing whatever the hell he wanted to do/being featured). That leads to messy results for players who like ball movement and vice versa.

Thinking too hard man.

The issue is that players like Rozier, Morris shot wherever and whenever they wanted

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Jaqua92 · Post #649 » by **Jaqua92** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:42 am

s1ickd wrote:
JR Hawks wrote:I see Kyrie still gets free rent in the heads of some Celtics fans.

Kyrie was far from perfect, but there was plenty for him to not like about Boston....a fanbase that went into full attack mode when they heard he MIGHT leave, a supporting cast of immature guys that were too young to be on a contender (GM's fault), and a coach with no clue how to feature stars on offense.

Wrong.

Did Brad not know how to feature stars on offense in the game 1 blowout against Miliwaukee? Or in other big wins during the year against the Warriors, Sixers, and beloved Raptors?

Kyrie stopped playing within the system. He started chucking contested fadaway jumpers early in the shot clock.

I knew he was a bum the moment he wasn't on the bench to support his team during game 7 of the ECF the prior year.

Danny and Brad made mistakes, but they've done too much right otherwise for me to change my opinion of them. I wouldn't whipe myself with Kyrie if I was left with no other option. Useless con artist.

Nah he's 100% right

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jmr07019 · Post #650 » by **jmr07019** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:32 pm

One of many issues was the lack of a 2nd star. Rozier, Morris, Brown and Tatum were all trying to be that guy and Brad was trying to make Hayward be that guy. None of the 5 were able to do it.

Curmudgeon · Post #651 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:53 pm

No, the issue was Kyrie's selfishness on the court. The object of each game was to showcase his skills. Winning was secondary.

ermocrate · Post #652 » by **ermocrate** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:22 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:No, the issue was Kyrie's selfishness on the court. The object of each game was to showcase his skills. Winning was secondary.

comment from ESPN's Jackie MacMullan that the team's problems were rooted in coach Brad Stevens "force-feeding" Gordon Hayward.

So was not Kirye the problem...

ermocrate · Post #653 » by **ermocrate** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:23 pm

If I was a SJW I would see a racial undertone in all of this...

Jaqua92 · Post #654 » by **Jaqua92** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:07 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:No, the issue was Kyrie's selfishness on the court. The object of each game was to showcase his skills. Winning was secondary.

This is so short sighted man. You are quite literally projecting Cavs Kyrie onto him.

He was a good player and made the team better and when locked in, showed he can be a good point guard. Kyrie had issues with his teammates which pulled him out of buying in. There's no denying how Kyrie was a cancer, but putting all the blame on him was short sighted and wrong

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Gooner · Post #655 » by **Gooner** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:20 pm

La Flame · Post #656 » by **La Flame** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:24 pm

Gooner wrote:

He didn't write a paragraph under the picture, thats a new one

Gooner · Post #657 » by **Gooner** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:26 pm

La Flame wrote:
Gooner wrote:

He didn't write a paragraph under the picture, thats a new one

He did lol.

Post #658 » by **ParticleMan** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:27 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:No, the issue was Kyrie's selfishness on the court. The object of each game was to showcase his skills. Winning was secondary.
This is so short sighted man. You are quite literally projecting Cavs Kyrie onto him.

He was a good player and made the team better and when locked in, showed he can be a good point guard. Kyrie had issues with his teammates which pulled him out of buying in. There's no denying how Kyrie was a cancer, but putting all the blame on him was short sighted and wrong

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but the thing is, by the end of the season, hayward was getting the minutes he deserved. he wasn't starting, he wasn't even playing all that much if he wasn't playing well. so while there were problems at the start of the season, i can't see how people were unhappy by the end. if anything, it was morris who was being force fed minutes, tho to be fair he was one of the few that stepped up in the playoffs.

meanwhile kyrie's issues were up and down all year, and hit a low point by the end of the season.

i don't think it was all kyrie, but removing kyrie from the situation is certainly a step in the right direction in terms of chemistry (if not talent).

pac213up · Post #659 » by **pac213up** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:09 pm

Kyrie has been on 2 teams and in both situations it did not end well. There are always other factors but the one common factor here is....Kyrie Irving. He expected the young guys to buy into what he was selling and had no ability to adapt when they didn't. His lack of real leadership should be a major concern for any team willing to invest the amount of money it takes to sign a guy of his talent.

denmuscles · Post #660 » by **denmuscles** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:34 pm

Kyrie is so fake and phony that he is clearly not all upstairs. Guy is obsessed about “being woke” or being obsessed with some illuminati / secret societies BS. He tries so hard to be something that he is not. He see’s the social media. He sees people on the street. He knows Boston doesn’t give a fck about him. He is so butt hurt that he cries through social media, attention seeking (you know what). 10 x out of 10x id rather watch a lottery Celtics team than this scum again. Perkins called out this sore loser a long rime ago. Compare IT and Rondo to this fool. Watch this loser be sick with a flu or something when he comes back to Boston. That fake lamer never had guts to suit upversus Cleveland. I think he is one of the most hated Celtics, ever.

Get the hell out of Boston loser