Offseason Thread: The Waiting is the Hardest Part

[digitaldropoff]

Dlo wasnt even the best player on his team.

This love affair with this guy is ridiculous.

I'd rather bring back mudiay instead of giving dlo a max.

To be fair, it doesn't look like the Knicks are going to be getting anything worthwhile this offseason. They've wasted more money on lesser players than Dlo

It doesn't mean they have to continue the pattern of overplaying for lesser players. The FO have mentioned time and time again they're not going to be going after 2nd tier guys if they're handing out max contracts. Russell is a 2nd tier guy.

You guys still have Dolan as an owner. If the Nets hit big, Dolan will go into panic mode....because that's who he is.

[sol537]

What if we sign KD to the Max (not my preference, but looks like it may happen anyway), then we go after Brogdon with a poison-pill type deal. In theory, we *should* be able to have a max slot available next season if we trade some of our young guys for future picks and cap (or we could trade some of our young guys and our cap space for another star). The core would be: KD, Brogdon, RJ, Mitch + another all-star vet. Doable? Could that squad contend with the first additional all-star?

[drekwins]

I just ran the numbers on next offseason give one scenario (feel free to correct any variances below). Let's say we sign Randle and DLO (I'm personally against signing Randle). With that said, we would still be able to add a 30% max FA next year to our roster in addition to DLO and Randle (given certain assumptions):

Randle - 28,612,500
DLO - 28,612,500
Total - 57,225,000

DSJ - Not On Team
Frank - Not On Team
Knox - Not On Team
Trier - 4,438,875
Mitch - 1,663,861
Dotson - 2,023,150
RJ - 8,456,011
Noah - 6,431,667
Total From Current Roster - 23,013,564

5 Min Roster Charges - 4,665,222

Total Committed (2020-2021) - 84,903,786
Proj Salary Cap (2020-2021) - 118,000,000
Free Agent Money - $33,096,214

Max Salary Spot - 35,400,000
Variance - 2,303,786 short of 30% max contract

*The above assume that DLO and Randle sign for their max
*Trier and/or Dotson would likely be a casualty if necessary to clear a full 30% spot

Alternatively, if DSJ, Knox, Frank and/or our 2020 1st round pick increase in value, they could theoretically be traded for a star.. thus allowing us to retain Trier, Dotson and/or other pieces.

[WargamesX]

I am only paying the top free agents max dollars (no D’Angelo). I am also not willing to pay big multi-year deals to the non-star players (Brogdon, Randle).

We are young. We have time. Just keep the flexibility open and I think we will have more opportunities.

In the case of Russell, there’s a chance he keeps getting better and is well worth the max. There’s also a chance he will always have some big flaws. I just don’t think he is a good fit with the rest of our young core and I’m not convinced he is worth it. Would rather pass on him.

This all may mean we don’t sign anyone to a big deal, but that may be the best move for now.

At least with Randle the team has a legit need for a PF......

We should be developing Knox as a PF

Why not both? Plus Knox can play SF too....... Whereas Randle and Mitchell would be beast on the boards

[dakomish23]

I just ran the numbers on next offseason give one scenario (feel free to correct any variances below). Let's say we sign Randle and DLO (I'm personally against signing Randle). With that said, we would still be able to add a 30% max FA next year to our roster in addition to DLO and Randle (given certain assumptions):

Randle - 28,612,500
DLO - 28,612,500
Total - 57,225,000

DSJ - Not On Team
Frank - Not On Team
Knox - Not On Team
Trier - 4,438,875
Mitch - 1,663,861
Dotson - 2,023,150
RJ - 8,456,011
Noah - 6,431,667
Total From Current Roster - 23,013,564

5 Min Roster Charges - 4,665,222

Total Committed (2020-2021) - 84,903,786
Proj Salary Cap (2020-2021) - 118,000,000
Free Agent Money - $33,096,214

Max Salary Spot - 35,400,000
Variance - 2,303,786 short of 30% max contract

*The above assume that DLO and Randle sign for their max
*Trier and/or Dotson would likely be a casualty if necessary to clear a full 30% spot

Alternatively, if DSJ, Knox, Frank and/or our 2020 1st round pick increase in value, they could theoretically be traded for a star.. thus allowing us to retain Trier, Dotson and/or other pieces.

Why are we paying Vonleh?

[drekwins]

I just ran the numbers on next offseason give one scenario (feel free to correct any variances below). Let's say we sign Randle and DLO (I'm personally against signing Randle). With that said, we would still be able to add a 30% max FA next year to our roster in addition to DLO and Randle (given certain assumptions):

Randle - 28,612,500
DLO - 28,612,500
Total - 57,225,000

DSJ - Not On Team
Frank - Not On Team
Knox - Not On Team
Trier - 4,438,875
Mitch - 1,663,861
Dotson - 2,023,150
RJ - 8,456,011
Noah - 6,431,667
Total From Current Roster - 23,013,564

5 Min Roster Charges - 4,665,222

Total Committed (2020-2021) - 84,903,786
Proj Salary Cap (2020-2021) - 118,000,000
Free Agent Money - $33,096,214

Max Salary Spot - 35,400,000
Variance - 2,303,786 short of 30% max contract

*The above assume that DLO and Randle sign for their max
*Trier and/or Dotson would likely be a casualty if necessary to clear a full 30% spot

Alternatively, if DSJ, Knox, Frank and/or our 2020 1st round pick increase in value, they could theoretically be traded for a star.. thus allowing us to retain Trier, Dotson and/or other pieces.

Why are we paying Vonleh?

I am very against Randle. Just running the scenario incase management loves him.

[snadler]

What does signing KD do for this franchise? Does Kd help recruit? Does he add excitement to this summer? Is he great mentor to the kids?

[dakomish23]

I just ran the numbers on next offseason give one scenario (feel free to correct any variances below). Let's say we sign Randle and DLO (I'm personally against signing Randle). With that said, we would still be able to add a 30% max FA next year to our roster in addition to DLO and Randle (given certain assumptions):

Randle - 28,612,500
DLO - 28,612,500
Total - 57,225,000

DSJ - Not On Team
Frank - Not On Team
Knox - Not On Team
Trier - 4,438,875
Mitch - 1,663,861
Dotson - 2,023,150
RJ - 8,456,011
Noah - 6,431,667
Total From Current Roster - 23,013,564

5 Min Roster Charges - 4,665,222

Total Committed (2020-2021) - 84,903,786
Proj Salary Cap (2020-2021) - 118,000,000
Free Agent Money - $33,096,214

Max Salary Spot - 35,400,000
Variance - 2,303,786 short of 30% max contract

*The above assume that DLO and Randle sign for their max
*Trier and/or Dotson would likely be a casualty if necessary to clear a full 30% spot

Alternatively, if DSJ, Knox, Frank and/or our 2020 1st round pick increase in value, they could theoretically be traded for a star.. thus allowing us to retain Trier, Dotson and/or other pieces.

Why are we paying Vonleh?

I am very against Randle. Just running the scenario incase management loves him.

Why is Vonleh still under contract for 20-21 in this scenario?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Why are we paying Vonleh?

I am very against Randle. Just running the scenario incase management loves him.

Why is Vonleh still under contract for 20-21 in this scenario?

Joakim Noah?

[Deeeez Knicks]

At least with Randle the team has a legit need for a PF......

We should be developing Knox as a PF

Why not both? Plus Knox can play SF too....... Whereas Randle and Mitchell would be beast on the boards

If we could get him below market I would consider. I think he’s just going to cost too much.

Personally I wouldn’t invest big in someone that is not a good defender or a good shooter. Maybe an exception would be a PG or someone that can create. Randle does not fit into that.

[Cookies4Life]

To be fair, it doesn't look like the Knicks are going to be getting anything worthwhile this offseason. They've wasted more money on lesser players than Dlo

It doesn't mean they have to continue the pattern of overplaying for lesser players. The FO have mentioned time and time again they're not going to be going after 2nd tier guys if they're handing out max contracts. Russell is a 2nd tier guy.

You guys still have Dolan as an owner. If the Nets hit big, Dolan will go into panic mode....because that's who he is.

You don't know how this team has been operating for quite some time. Your theory is antiquated, that guy hasn't interjected himself in player decisions of that ilk since Melo back in 2010-2011.

Don't come into a Knicks forum and tell us things about our FO since you obviously have no idea how things are ran here. He gave the reigns to Mills and Perry and allowed them to implement their own process on how to move forward with this roster. Aside from the sporadic odd ball interview on the radio, he's kept to himself for the most part.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I just ran the numbers on next offseason give one scenario (feel free to correct any variances below). Let's say we sign Randle and DLO (I'm personally against signing Randle). With that said, we would still be able to add a 30% max FA next year to our roster in addition to DLO and Randle (given certain assumptions):

Randle - 28,612,500
DLO - 28,612,500
Total - 57,225,000

DSJ - Not On Team
Frank - Not On Team
Knox - Not On Team
Trier - 4,438,875
Mitch - 1,663,861
Dotson - 2,023,150
RJ - 8,456,011
Noah - 6,431,667
Total From Current Roster - 23,013,564

5 Min Roster Charges - 4,665,222

Total Committed (2020-2021) - 84,903,786
Proj Salary Cap (2020-2021) - 118,000,000
Free Agent Money - $33,096,214

Max Salary Spot - 35,400,000
Variance - 2,303,786 short of 30% max contract

*The above assume that DLO and Randle sign for their max
*Trier and/or Dotson would likely be a casualty if necessary to clear a full 30% spot

Alternatively, if DSJ, Knox, Frank and/or our 2020 1st round pick increase in value, they could theoretically be traded for a star.. thus allowing us to retain Trier, Dotson and/or other pieces.

Always good to see the numbers. Basically it doesn't make sense to pay a lot for Russell and Randle.

[drekwins]

I have three major problems with a Randle signing:

1) The NBA is increasing headed towards lineups that only allow 1 true big guy on the floor at a time. Mitch is that big and his deal is ridiculous. I'd personally like a Shawn Marion type of hybrid 4 who can switch everything, run the floor, stretch the floor, etc. I was previously hoping that could be Knox but I now have zero faith in him. Randle doesn't fit that mold.

2) There's A LOT of great young big men in the league: Giannis, AD, KAT, Embiid, Jokic, Zion, KP, Turner, Gobert, Ayton, Markannan, J Jackson, Bagley, Carter, Capella, Nurkic, Collins. Does Randle really influence a game enough to pay big money? He's a stat stuffer but he doesn't play defense and I don't think he moves the needle. At least with DLo, there's only a few young PGs who are near or above his level.

3) Defense & shooting. His defense just isn't good enough and doesn't project out well. He shot the 3 better last year but still has A LOT of work to do in order to be a threat to the defense.

[thebuzzardman]

We've reached the "Max out DLo and Randle" part of the pre FA process.

DLo\DSJr (the no D&D boys)
RJ\Trier
Knox\Iggy Brazzers
Randle\Mario (assumption he returns)
Mitch\DJ (another assumption)
Assorted extras: Frank, Kadeem, Kornet, 2 spots for (Wilkes or Hinton or Jenkins or Zak Irvin or Peters or VJ King or Ellenson)


45 win team maxed out for 4 years?

I know....what happened to KD and Kyrie?

Who knows? I'm just imagining a team based on the combined love of Randle and DLo - the "sign the young upcoming stars" version of FA...

[drekwins]

We've reached the "Max out DLo and Randle" part of the pre FA process.

DLo\DSJr (the no D&D boys)
RJ\Trier
Knox\Iggy Brazzers
Randle\Mario (assumption he returns)
Mitch\DJ (another assumption)
Assorted extras: Frank, Kadeem, Kornet, 2 spots for (Wilkes or Hinton or Jenkins or Zak Irvin or Peters or VJ King or Ellenson)


45 win team maxed out for 4 years?

I know....what happened to KD and Kyrie?

Who knows? I'm just imagining a team based on the combined love of Randle and DLo - the "sign the young upcoming stars" version of FA...

Yeah and there's no acknowledgement (made by digital) in regards to our 5 1st Rnd picks over the next 3 years or the flexibility that we would still maintain. I don't love Randle by any means but it's not a death sentence roster makeup. Now, if we sign Mudiay or any similar young guy to a multi-year deal... we're doomed.

[sol537]

What if we split 3-ways.... Brogdon (poison pill) + Dlo (20m starting) + Randle (18m starting)?

Wouldn't put us in contention but if all three pan out, we'd have three more pretty valuable assets to add to the mix. Think Miami Heat when they traded Odom + Butler for Shaq-Daddy.

[WargamesX]

I just ran the numbers on next offseason give one scenario (feel free to correct any variances below). Let's say we sign Randle and DLO (I'm personally against signing Randle). With that said, we would still be able to add a 30% max FA next year to our roster in addition to DLO and Randle (given certain assumptions):

Randle - 28,612,500
DLO - 28,612,500
Total - 57,225,000

DSJ - Not On Team
Frank - Not On Team
Knox - Not On Team
Trier - 4,438,875
Mitch - 1,663,861
Dotson - 2,023,150
RJ - 8,456,011
Noah - 6,431,667
Total From Current Roster - 23,013,564

5 Min Roster Charges - 4,665,222

Total Committed (2020-2021) - 84,903,786
Proj Salary Cap (2020-2021) - 118,000,000
Free Agent Money - $33,096,214

Max Salary Spot - 35,400,000
Variance - 2,303,786 short of 30% max contract

*The above assume that DLO and Randle sign for their max
*Trier and/or Dotson would likely be a casualty if necessary to clear a full 30% spot

Alternatively, if DSJ, Knox, Frank and/or our 2020 1st round pick increase in value, they could theoretically be traded for a star.. thus allowing us to retain Trier, Dotson and/or other pieces.

Man I hope they don't do this...... it feels like a late lottery/low seed playoff team max

[thebuzzardman]

To be fair, it doesn't look like the Knicks are going to be getting anything worthwhile this offseason. They've wasted more money on lesser players than Dlo

It doesn't mean they have to continue the pattern of overplaying for lesser players. The FO have mentioned time and time again they're not going to be going after 2nd tier guys if they're handing out max contracts. Russell is a 2nd tier guy.

You guys still have Dolan as an owner. If the Nets hit big, Dolan will go into panic mode....because that's who he is.

"You guys"

You used to post here as a Knicks fan. Have you switched teams? Who else just posted here who was a former forum stalwart who jumped to the Nets - was it madvillan?

[jvsimonetti0514]

I really don't think Randle is getting max money from anyone. The dude just got paid 9 million and all of a sudden he's gonna get 27? He had a pretty good year last year but I still can't imagine anyone giving him over 20 a year.

[drekwins]

What if we split 3-ways.... Brogdon (poison pill) + Dlo (20m starting) + Randle (18m starting)?

Wouldn't put us in contention but if all three pan out, we'd have three more pretty valuable assets to add to the mix. Think Miami Heat when they traded Odom + Butler for Shaq-Daddy.

People thinking that DLO and Randle will be had for 20 and 18 million are dreaming. It's not going to happen. Forget the dollar amount. It's all about the percentage of cap. Beal was a questionable max... yet look how he is now. Look at the money Jrue Holiday, Lowry, Conley, etc. are making. DLO is going to make a starting salary of 27 mill.... that's not even a question.

Randle is a little more tricky. I could see him signing for 22-24ish. I can't imagine it being anything less. Forget traditional figures. The cap goes up and so do the starting salaries. It's all about the percentage of cap space.