Romeo Langford Thread

[brackdan70]

It really is offseason. Here we are again with determining players' actual height by analyzing photos.

Not much "analysis" needed. Just a quick eyeball. According to combine height measurements, Williams has an inch and a half on Langford (both measured with shoes on). Williams 6'7.5", and Langford 6'6". I won't argue with that. It's just that the photo made it seem like the gap was wider.

Taking a closer look at the photo I have determined that G Williams is 6’10 with a 9’1 standing reach and 39 inch vert


Young Stud!!!!!!!!

[zoyathedestroya]

It really is offseason. Here we are again with determining players' actual height by analyzing photos.

Not much "analysis" needed. Just a quick eyeball. According to combine height measurements, Williams has an inch and a half on Langford (both measured with shoes on). Williams 6'7.5", and Langford 6'6". I won't argue with that. It's just that the photo made it seem like the gap was wider.

Are you talking about the picture of the four of them on the court? They're not standing side by side. The angle of the shot would enlarge the person on the left more than the rightmost person. Grant could be wearing higher heels than Langford. And so on and so forth. The reliability of photo eyeballing is just so low compared to actual known measurements lol.

[Half-Full]

It really is offseason. Here we are again with determining players' actual height by analyzing photos.

Not much "analysis" needed. Just a quick eyeball. According to combine height measurements, Williams has an inch and a half on Langford (both measured with shoes on). Williams 6'7.5", and Langford 6'6". I won't argue with that. It's just that the photo made it seem like the gap was wider.

Are you talking about the picture of the four of them on the court? They're not standing side by side. The angle of the shot would enlarge the person on the left more than the rightmost person. Grant could be wearing higher heels than Langford. And so on and so forth. The reliability of photo eyeballing is just so low compared to actual known measurements lol.

In my original post, I did say that the height disparity seemed large, even taking perspective into consideration. But, I acknowledge that my perception does not jibe with the reality of their actual measurements.

[2Mas]

The Celtics will regret not taking Doumbouya. Once again they took the known quantity out of Indiana HS and AAU ball instead of swinging for the fences. Guys with Langford's skills are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Why invest a lotto pick in the second coming of Kentavious Caldwell-Pope?

Are you really comparing him to KCP?

Langford is a student of the game. His coach called him one player he had coached that loves to learn the game, study film, etc.

I can tell you guys stories about KCP that will get him black listed from the NBA. KCP is the opposite of Langford when it comes to preparation and caring about the game. Langford is a good human being, I would never say that about KCP. Character matters.

I like the Langford pick. I think he's gonna be good.

But boy did I want Doumbouya on this team. Man I think he's gonna be great.

[DaTruth34]

Every reason is good for some people to write TRADE JAYLEN in every topic. Delusional.

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[Gomes3PC]

The Celtics will regret not taking Doumbouya. Once again they took the known quantity out of Indiana HS and AAU ball instead of swinging for the fences. Guys with Langford's skills are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Why invest a lotto pick in the second coming of Kentavious Caldwell-Pope?

Are you really comparing him to KCP?

Langford is a student of the game. His coach called him one player he had coached that loves to learn the game, study film, etc.

I can tell you guys stories about KCP that will get him black listed from the NBA. KCP is the opposite of Langford when it comes to preparation and caring about the game. Langford is a good human being, I would never say that about KCP. Character matters.

I like the Langford pick. I think he's gonna be good.

But boy did I want Doumbouya on this team. Man I think he's gonna be great.

Problem is it feels like Doumbouya is two years away from being two years away, and his long term fit seems in conflict with Tatum. I think both ultimately wind up as small-ball 4's once they get stronger, and frankly Tatum is just better and has a brighter future.

Now, it's highly unlikely this all works out so perfectly, but a long-term lineup of Smart/Langford/Brown/Tatum/[choose your center] looks like a team built for the modern NBA. That wing/backcourt has elite defensive potential, with 4 guys who have the upside to take and make difficult shots without much help. It is predicated on a few things, namely:

1. Smart can continue to expand his game into a true PG and that his shooting last year wasn't a total fluke (I tend to think not, but I am sure others disagree)
2. Tatum can get strong enough to hold his own at the 4
3. One of Tatum or Brown can expand their game to be a primary playmaker on the wing for us (ie, average 5+ APG)
4. Langford can develop a decent outside shot to keep defenses honest

If you squint though, the potential is there. Behind Smart and Langford you can add a gunner Lou Williams type for some instant offense/spacing (hello Carsen Edwards!), and all of a sudden you've got the makings of a pretty tough team to play against.

[Slartibartfast]

Are you really comparing him to KCP?

Langford is a student of the game. His coach called him one player he had coached that loves to learn the game, study film, etc.

I can tell you guys stories about KCP that will get him black listed from the NBA. KCP is the opposite of Langford when it comes to preparation and caring about the game. Langford is a good human being, I would never say that about KCP. Character matters.

I like the Langford pick. I think he's gonna be good.

But boy did I want Doumbouya on this team. Man I think he's gonna be great.

Problem is it feels like Doumbouya is two years away from being two years away, and his long term fit seems in conflict with Tatum. I think both ultimately wind up as small-ball 4's once they get stronger, and frankly Tatum is just better and has a brighter future.

Now, it's highly unlikely this all works out so perfectly, but a long-term lineup of Smart/Langford/Brown/Tatum/[choose your center] looks like a team built for the modern NBA. That wing/backcourt has elite defensive potential, with 4 guys who have the upside to take and make difficult shots without much help. It is predicated on a few things, namely:

1. Smart can continue to expand his game into a true PG and that his shooting last year wasn't a total fluke (I tend to think not, but I am sure others disagree)
2. Tatum can get strong enough to hold his own at the 4
3. One of Tatum or Brown can expand their game to be a primary playmaker on the wing for us (ie, average 5+ APG)
4. Langford can develop a decent outside shot to keep defenses honest

If you squint though, the potential is there. Behind Smart and Langford you can add a gunner Lou Williams type for some instant offense/spacing (hello Carsen Edwards!), and all of a sudden you've got the makings of a pretty tough team to play against.

I think Langford is the only one with a shot at developing into a real playmaker on the wing and probably not 5+. I think 3/4 of that tandem will work together. Just a matter of seeing which are the best.

[Gomes3PC]

I like the Langford pick. I think he's gonna be good.

But boy did I want Doumbouya on this team. Man I think he's gonna be great.

Problem is it feels like Doumbouya is two years away from being two years away, and his long term fit seems in conflict with Tatum. I think both ultimately wind up as small-ball 4's once they get stronger, and frankly Tatum is just better and has a brighter future.

Now, it's highly unlikely this all works out so perfectly, but a long-term lineup of Smart/Langford/Brown/Tatum/[choose your center] looks like a team built for the modern NBA. That wing/backcourt has elite defensive potential, with 4 guys who have the upside to take and make difficult shots without much help. It is predicated on a few things, namely:

1. Smart can continue to expand his game into a true PG and that his shooting last year wasn't a total fluke (I tend to think not, but I am sure others disagree)
2. Tatum can get strong enough to hold his own at the 4
3. One of Tatum or Brown can expand their game to be a primary playmaker on the wing for us (ie, average 5+ APG)
4. Langford can develop a decent outside shot to keep defenses honest

If you squint though, the potential is there. Behind Smart and Langford you can add a gunner Lou Williams type for some instant offense/spacing (hello Carsen Edwards!), and all of a sudden you've got the makings of a pretty tough team to play against.

I think Langford is the only one with a shot at developing into a real playmaker on the wing and probably not 5+. I think 3/4 of that tandem will work together. Just a matter of seeing which are the best.

I have hopes for Tatum. Honestly a big part of me does not want to see us sign a PG in FA, which would put a lot more onus/pressure on Tatum to develop more playmaking skills (or at least see if the potential is there). He upped his per-36 assists from 1.9 to 2.5 between year 1 and 2, which doesn't sound much, but is a nice bump. If he can get that in to the ~3.5 range this year, I see a path for him.

Not that Tatum is Kevin Durant, but KD didn't get his assists above 5.0 per 36 until he was 25 years old - most of his early 20s he hovered in the ~2.5-3 range.

The biggest inhibitor in my eyes for Tatum is honestly his confidence to put the ball on the floor and drive by his man. Once he commits to that, he actually has good vision to kick out to open guys, but too often he gets hesitant, decides to cross up and settle for a fade-away. That's why I would love to see him play the 4 more, where I think he will more easily find opportunities to blow by his man and collapse the D.

A huge part of his offseason has to be getting stronger and being more decisive driving to the tin. He's a borderline elite finisher at the rim (68% last year, guys like Bron/KD are ~70-73%) - he just needs to do it more and frankly be OK with getting rejected a time or two more a game. It will more often than not lead to fouls if he does so assertively and right at the rim protector.

[Gomes3PC]

Also, Slart, I would agree that it likely will be difficult for all four of Smart/Langford/Brown/Tatum to fit long-term, but I'd love to see good progress the next two years to find out who is the odd man out. My hunch is that it will be Brown, fairly or not, but I'd still strongly be in favor of extending him. I am confident at his age, even with a big salary, it would not be hard to find a trade partner for him if the fit doesn't work out 18-24 months from now.

[Slartibartfast]

Also, Slart, I would agree that it likely will be difficult for all four of Smart/Langford/Brown/Tatum to fit long-term, but I'd love to see good progress the next two years to find out who is the odd man out. My hunch is that it will be Brown, fairly or not, but I'd still strongly be in favor of extending him. I am confident at his age, even with a big salary, it would not be hard to find a trade partner for him if the fit doesn't work out 18-24 months from now.

Yeah, I like that idea with the proviso that there is a veteran creator in the mix. Hopefully Hayward is good enough

[Curmudgeon]

I'm ready to send Langford to the Pacers tomorrow.

[cloverleaf]

Are you really comparing him to KCP?

Langford is a student of the game. His coach called him one player he had coached that loves to learn the game, study film, etc.

I can tell you guys stories about KCP that will get him black listed from the NBA. KCP is the opposite of Langford when it comes to preparation and caring about the game. Langford is a good human being, I would never say that about KCP. Character matters.

I like the Langford pick. I think he's gonna be good.

But boy did I want Doumbouya on this team. Man I think he's gonna be great.

Problem is it feels like Doumbouya is two years away from being two years away, and his long term fit seems in conflict with Tatum. I think both ultimately wind up as small-ball 4's once they get stronger, and frankly Tatum is just better and has a brighter future.

Now, it's highly unlikely this all works out so perfectly, but a long-term lineup of Smart/Langford/Brown/Tatum/[choose your center] looks like a team built for the modern NBA. That wing/backcourt has elite defensive potential, with 4 guys who have the upside to take and make difficult shots without much help. It is predicated on a few things, namely:

1. Smart can continue to expand his game into a true PG and that his shooting last year wasn't a total fluke (I tend to think not, but I am sure others disagree)
2. Tatum can get strong enough to hold his own at the 4
3. One of Tatum or Brown can expand their game to be a primary playmaker on the wing for us (ie, average 5+ APG)
4. Langford can develop a decent outside shot to keep defenses honest

If you squint though, the potential is there. Behind Smart and Langford you can add a gunner Lou Williams type for some instant offense/spacing (hello Carsen Edwards!), and all of a sudden you've got the makings of a pretty tough team to play against.

Three years in, JB just hasn't demonstrated the handle, vision, passing or BBIQ to be a primary playmaker. I think it is very unlikely that he suddenly develops that cluster of skills. Scoring and rebounding, relative to his size, and more consistently great man D? Yes, I expect JB to really deliver there! And also, his vision should continue to improve gradually as he learns to pass out from his slashing drives more and more often, as needed. But that is still a long ways from being a primary palymaker.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I like the Langford pick. I think he's gonna be good.

But boy did I want Doumbouya on this team. Man I think he's gonna be great.

Problem is it feels like Doumbouya is two years away from being two years away, and his long term fit seems in conflict with Tatum. I think both ultimately wind up as small-ball 4's once they get stronger, and frankly Tatum is just better and has a brighter future.

Now, it's highly unlikely this all works out so perfectly, but a long-term lineup of Smart/Langford/Brown/Tatum/[choose your center] looks like a team built for the modern NBA. That wing/backcourt has elite defensive potential, with 4 guys who have the upside to take and make difficult shots without much help. It is predicated on a few things, namely:

1. Smart can continue to expand his game into a true PG and that his shooting last year wasn't a total fluke (I tend to think not, but I am sure others disagree)
2. Tatum can get strong enough to hold his own at the 4
3. One of Tatum or Brown can expand their game to be a primary playmaker on the wing for us (ie, average 5+ APG)
4. Langford can develop a decent outside shot to keep defenses honest

If you squint though, the potential is there. Behind Smart and Langford you can add a gunner Lou Williams type for some instant offense/spacing (hello Carsen Edwards!), and all of a sudden you've got the makings of a pretty tough team to play against.

Three years in, JB just hasn't demonstrated the handle, vision, passing or BBIQ to be a primary playmaker. I think it is very unlikely that he suddenly develops that cluster of skills. Scoring and rebounding, relative to his size, and more consistently great man D? Yes, I expect JB to really deliver there! And also, his vision should continue to improve gradually as he learns to pass out from his slashing drives more and more often, as needed. But that is still a long ways from being a primary palymaker.

This is a big offseason for Jaylen.. either he comes back in September looking like a star or he starts to raise questions about his ceiling.. that said, he doesn’t turn 23 until October.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm ready to send Langford to the Pacers tomorrow.

Has anyone noticed his awful turnover rate? I’m optimistic on his shooting and scoring ability, but his “playmaking” is a work in progress. Shades of Antoine Walker - carries himself like a star, makes some flashy plays, but his error rate gets overlooked.

This will be the first interesting summer league in years, hoping everyone plays

[jfs1000d]

Problem is it feels like Doumbouya is two years away from being two years away, and his long term fit seems in conflict with Tatum. I think both ultimately wind up as small-ball 4's once they get stronger, and frankly Tatum is just better and has a brighter future.

Now, it's highly unlikely this all works out so perfectly, but a long-term lineup of Smart/Langford/Brown/Tatum/[choose your center] looks like a team built for the modern NBA. That wing/backcourt has elite defensive potential, with 4 guys who have the upside to take and make difficult shots without much help. It is predicated on a few things, namely:

1. Smart can continue to expand his game into a true PG and that his shooting last year wasn't a total fluke (I tend to think not, but I am sure others disagree)
2. Tatum can get strong enough to hold his own at the 4
3. One of Tatum or Brown can expand their game to be a primary playmaker on the wing for us (ie, average 5+ APG)
4. Langford can develop a decent outside shot to keep defenses honest

If you squint though, the potential is there. Behind Smart and Langford you can add a gunner Lou Williams type for some instant offense/spacing (hello Carsen Edwards!), and all of a sudden you've got the makings of a pretty tough team to play against.

Three years in, JB just hasn't demonstrated the handle, vision, passing or BBIQ to be a primary playmaker. I think it is very unlikely that he suddenly develops that cluster of skills. Scoring and rebounding, relative to his size, and more consistently great man D? Yes, I expect JB to really deliver there! And also, his vision should continue to improve gradually as he learns to pass out from his slashing drives more and more often, as needed. But that is still a long ways from being a primary palymaker.

This is a big offseason for Jaylen.. either he comes back in September looking like a star or he starts to raise questions about his ceiling.. that said, he doesn’t turn 23 until October.

I think Jaylen is a 20 ppg scorer if he is a 1 or 2 option, and is a top 35 player at his peak. I don’t see perennial all-star, but that’s ok.

As far as Tatum, I can totally see him as all nba at 25 ppg once he eliminates poor and inefficient shots.

People think players can’t evolve. At one time, pierce shot 39 percent from the floor and was considered a volume scorer. Think about that.


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[ParticleMan]

Jaylen is a shade below Tatum but not far. It's been reported that there are GMs who prefer Jaylen to Jayson in a trade. Tatum has elite scorer potential, but Jaylen's all-round game is better. Neither has great vision or ballhandling, but both are improving slowly.

Romeo has a long way to go before he is in their class. Smart is never going to be in their class as a prospect, but he brings great intangibles. Also, Smart is really improving his PG skills, so could move there full time (once this silly Kemba infatuation passes on). I can see him as a DJ style PG who is not great in transition but can run a mean half court set, hit an open shot, and defend at a very high level.

It'll be interesting to see where Romeo fits. If Tatum can eventually bulk up and transition to PF, and Jaylen to SF which is probably his more natural position anyways, then Romeo can be our SG of the future. But Romeo has to prove he can actually shoot.

[Wes-J]

It really is offseason. Here we are again with determining players' actual height by analyzing photos.

Not much "analysis" needed. Just a quick eyeball. According to combine height measurements, Williams has an inch and a half on Langford (both measured with shoes on). Williams 6'7.5", and Langford 6'6". I won't argue with that. It's just that the photo made it seem like the gap was wider.

Taking a closer look at the photo I have determined that G Williams is 6’10 with a 9’1 standing reach and 39 inch vert


Young Stud!!!!!!!!

BS don't cheat the young man.

Clearly he's 7ft from where I'm standing. Sick and tired of these false claims of 6-7.

[Gomes3PC]

Jaylen is a shade below Tatum but not far. It's been reported that there are GMs who prefer Jaylen to Jayson in a trade. Tatum has elite scorer potential, but Jaylen's all-round game is better. Neither has great vision or ballhandling, but both are improving slowly.

Romeo has a long way to go before he is in their class. Smart is never going to be in their class as a prospect, but he brings great intangibles. Also, Smart is really improving his PG skills, so could move there full time (once this silly Kemba infatuation passes on). I can see him as a DJ style PG who is not great in transition but can run a mean half court set, hit an open shot, and defend at a very high level.

It'll be interesting to see where Romeo fits. If Tatum can eventually bulk up and transition to PF, and Jaylen to SF which is probably his more natural position anyways, then Romeo can be our SG of the future. But Romeo has to prove he can actually shoot.

Not sure I see how Brown is a better all around player. Tatum is a better shooter, rebounder, passer and a better team defender. Brown is a better on-ball defender and better in the open court, but that's about it.

[LuckyLeprechaun]

Just a friendly reminder that Romeo Langford is who we got for letting the 76ers take Markelle Fultz.

Remember this whenever looking back and judging whether he was a good pick for the Cs.

[brackdan70]

Just a friendly reminder that Romeo Langford is who we got for letting the 76ers take Markelle Fultz.

Remember this whenever looking back and judging whether he was a good pick for the Cs.

Yes a good perspective