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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#261 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:06 am

SD2042 wrote:If Minnesota wants to go after DLo, they would have to take the route that PHX did with T.J. Warren the other night. With this team not going anywhere anytime soon. I would suggest the Wolves talking to the Knicks about acquiring Teague, Dieng, and either Culver or the Wolves 2020 first round pick. The Wolves clear the necessary space to sign DLo. The Knicks absorb some assets plus either Culver or the future 2020 1st pick plus the Knicks still have cap room to sign a few more players to the roster.


The Memphis TPE is the same thing. It acts as cap space above the luxury tax. Wiggins into that TPE would save Minnesota 25m, the 6th pick traded for a 2nd is roughly 5m against the cap for 30m total saved. Which would allow Minnesota to sign DLo & appease Kat.

They claim to their fans that they traded up to take BPA at 6, with White falling just one spot behind to Chicago when he would have filled a need in the same draft territory. IMO, they made that pick for a team that has interest in helping them shed salary. Two rumors had them shopping Wiggins & having interest in Russel when they currently have no cap. It explains why they passed on White for a SG & have "need" to shed salary, having checked in on teams willing to take Wiggins. They picked with the purpose to shed salary.

The TPE created is Conley's contract (30.5m) minus Korver''s non guaranteed portion of his contract (4.6m) is (25.9m).

Wiggins contract for this season is (25.5m).

Memphis created a 25.9m TPE as the main value in Conley's trade that fits Wiggins 25.5m into it. We have been exploring here with how to trade up for the 4th to take Culver or Hunter. It's possible, by Memphis creating that TPE, that they manage too by agreeing to take on Wiggins contract if Minnesota could land Culver. (Minnesota's expressed path to cap space).

Conley could be traded for (Wiggins, Crowder, Korver, Allen, #6 Culver, FRP, FRP) = 42.4m.

Memphis Buys out Bradley 12m/2m G & Korver's 7.6m/3m G now that they traded for Culver = 28.4m incoming where they sent out Conley's 30m. So they won't remain over the Cap if they use the TPE on Wiggins.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#262 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:43 am

All that's left is for Kyrie & Durant to end up in NJ, making Russell a FA.

New York Post’s Brian Lewis, Kendrick Perkins, who is supposed to have ties to Durant’s camp and joined Windhorst and Nichols on the jump, also commented on the rumors surrounding the four-time scoring champ.
“I think they’re the front-runner. I absolutely do. I think the Nets are the front-runner to land KD,” Perkins said on “The Jump,” with reporter Brian Windhorst joining in and saying Perkins was not the only person involved with the NBA expressing that view.
“I’m not ruling out the Knicks, but I think the Nets are the front-runners and people are not giving them their [respect],” Perkins said. “Sources tell me the Nets are the front-runner.”
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#263 » by VCfor3 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:19 am

Whole Truth wrote:
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Whole Truth wrote:OKC trade - (Adams 24m, FRP) for (24m TPE)

Charlotte trade - (Batum, Bizz, Bridges, FRP) for (Adams, K. Anderson, Crowder)

Memphis trade - (24m TPE, K. Anderson, Crowder) for (Batum, Bridges, OKC FRP, Charlotte FRP)


OKC isn't using a pick to dump Adams. If anything they expect assets coming back. That also doesn't save Charlotte enough money to get them under the luxury tax.


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Oklahoma City has increased its efforts this afternoon to shed salary along with the No. 21 pick en route to dodging luxury tax, league sources say. Steven Adams, Andre Roberson, Dennis Schroeder all very available at the moment.

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Steven Adams averages 13 & 9 on 24m per. He's overpaid for what he brings to the table. The FRP might be protected but if OKC want to dodge the luxury tax, the trade is his 48m, into pure cap space ..

This is the same team that traded Harden to save money so that they could resign Ibaka. Cutting that Adams 24m into pure cap space, is value to that franchise ..


Adams is available. 21 can potentially be included depending on the deal. I don't see Adams+21/future pick for pure space ever being on the table or the type of deal they meant when they said 21 is available. We actually discussed this concept on the trade board since there was also a report that Boston may have interest in Adams. Rough value was either Cap space+MIL 1st or Cap space+MIL 1st+Robert Williams. We certainly can be wrong, but with OKC not being able to trade a 1st till 2024 I doubt they are using one to dump their third best player to save some money.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#264 » by SD2042 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:35 am

Whole Truth wrote:
SD2042 wrote:If Minnesota wants to go after DLo, they would have to take the route that PHX did with T.J. Warren the other night. With this team not going anywhere anytime soon. I would suggest the Wolves talking to the Knicks about acquiring Teague, Dieng, and either Culver or the Wolves 2020 first round pick. The Wolves clear the necessary space to sign DLo. The Knicks absorb some assets plus either Culver or the future 2020 1st pick plus the Knicks still have cap room to sign a few more players to the roster.


The Memphis TPE is the same thing. It acts as cap space above the luxury tax. Wiggins into that TPE would save Minnesota 25m, the 6th pick traded for a 2nd is roughly 5m against the cap for 30m total saved. Which would allow Minnesota to sign DLo & appease Kat.

They claim to their fans that they traded up to take BPA at 6, with White falling just one spot behind to Chicago when he would have filled a need in the same draft territory. IMO, they made that pick for a team that has interest in helping them shed salary. Two rumors had them shopping Wiggins & having interest in Russel when they currently have no cap. It explains why they passed on White for a SG & have "need" to shed salary, having checked in on teams willing to take Wiggins. They picked with the purpose to shed salary.

The TPE created is Conley's contract (30.5m) minus Korver''s non guaranteed portion of his contract (4.6m) is (25.9m).

Wiggins contract for this season is (25.5m).

Memphis created a 25.9m TPE as the main value in Conley's trade that fits Wiggins 25.5m into it. We have been exploring here with how to trade up for the 4th to take Culver or Hunter. It's possible, by Memphis creating that TPE, that they manage too by agreeing to take on Wiggins contract if Minnesota could land Culver. (Minnesota's expressed path to cap space).

Conley could be traded for (Wiggins, Crowder, Korver, Allen, #6 Culver, FRP, FRP) = 42.4m.

Memphis Buys out Bradley 12m/2m G & Korver's 7.6m/3m G now that they traded for Culver = 28.4m incoming where they sent out Conley's 30m. So they won't remain over the Cap if they use the TPE on Wiggins.


Friendships aside between DLo and Kat, I can't help but to wonder if the Wolves will find a team that will take on the contract of Wiggins. I can't help to think it will be a while before his contract will even be moved. Regardless if it's the Grizzlies or the Knicks. They may have a better chance moving Teague and Dieng and a pick better than what they can do with any Wiggins deal if they can't find any suitors. Another point, when was the last time the Wolves have signed a key free agent to the team?
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#265 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:40 am

VCfor3 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
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OKC isn't using a pick to dump Adams. If anything they expect assets coming back. That also doesn't save Charlotte enough money to get them under the luxury tax.


Jake Fischer

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Oklahoma City has increased its efforts this afternoon to shed salary along with the No. 21 pick en route to dodging luxury tax, league sources say. Steven Adams, Andre Roberson, Dennis Schroeder all very available at the moment.

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Steven Adams averages 13 & 9 on 24m per. He's overpaid for what he brings to the table. The FRP might be protected but if OKC want to dodge the luxury tax, the trade is his 48m, into pure cap space ..

This is the same team that traded Harden to save money so that they could resign Ibaka. Cutting that Adams 24m into pure cap space, is value to that franchise ..


Adams is available. 21 can potentially be included depending on the deal. I don't see Adams+21/future pick for pure space ever being on the table or the type of deal they meant when they said 21 is available. We actually discussed this concept on the trade board since there was also a report that Boston may have interest in Adams. Rough value was either Cap space+MIL 1st or Cap space+MIL 1st+Robert Williams. We certainly can be wrong, but with OKC not being able to trade a 1st till 2024 I doubt they are using one to dump their third best player to save some money.


You don't agree with the trade board consensus of the Bucks FRP being rough value?

Both Bucks picks are owed.

2020 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-7 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Milwaukee-Phoenix, 11/7/2017]

2022 first round draft pick to Cleveland
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2022 (if Milwaukee conveys a 1st round pick to Phoenix in 2020), 1-10 and 25-30 in 2023 and 1-8 in 2024; if Milwaukee has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Cleveland by 2024, then Milwaukee will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Milwaukee-Washington, 12/7/2018]

If OKC want to get under the Luxury tax, I think they will use their own FRP to drop 24m against the cap. This is the same team that gave up Harden off a finals run to save money in order to sign Ibaka when they were looking like contenders. They're a small market & financially cautious, especially now that the team is "not" looking like a contender, unlike they were when they decided to let go of Harden for financial reasons. I think it would be depend on the protection of the pick. Estimate their own 2020 pick top 12-15 protected as fair value with their intent to save against the Luxury tax, not just cut cap space. Which Memphis helping them shed 24m, more than does.

Masai had to give up a mid to late first to shed Demarre Carroll's salary one year removed from signing him to it, without worry of having to pay luxury tax. OKC have made 3 key solid players available to save cap, they aren't studying player value, they're studying not paying the tax.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#266 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:42 am

SD2042 wrote:Friendships aside between DLo and Kat, I can't help but to wonder if the Wolves will find a team that will take on the contract of Wiggins. I can't help to think it will be a while before his contract will even be moved. Regardless if it's the Grizzlies or the Knicks. They may have a better chance moving Teague and Dieng and a pick better than what they can do with any Wiggins deal if they can't find any suitors. Another point, when was the last time the Wolves have signed a key free agent to the team?


If I was Memphis. I'd take Wiggins, if he came with the 6th pick (Culver) & an unprotected 2022 pick.

JA & Jaren at the least will have a 2-3 yr development window that would eat most of Wiggins contract, where Memphis would not need to sign any key FA's until they know what they have in these 2 young players moving forward. By that time Wiggins, if he doesn't recover any player value as worse case, would be becoming a large 30m expiring contract that could either end up as cap space to sign a prefferred FA or trade filler for a star player on max salary so they wouldn't have to consolidate their depth. Memphis armed with 3 potential picks in the 2022 draft as a result will have at a pivot point for Ja & Jaren the potential to add more young talent or combine value with Wiggins 30m expiring contract for a max player. Say a 28yo Beal, that no longer fits Washington's goals with a strong rebuilding package offer. Washington isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. I think that's a plausible future scenario, target.

This, not factoring the potential of Wiggins recovering any player value.

If he's nothing else, it's a quick twitch athlete that might fit better with Ja, Clarke & 3J in a transition. Seeing how Jenkins ran his offense in Milwaukee, He'd have Ja & Wiggins penetrate with their speed & kick. Giannis has limited range, so as inconsistent as Wiggins is from 3, he's still better than Giannis from range & while he might not be as effective downhill, his speed with Ja utilized correctly, should create pockets.

I'm doing the trade with the belief that he would be 30m dead weight for potential assets. Have hope he might regain player value in a better suited style & pace to advantage his speed & athleticism, become a potential asset himself where Memphis have no use for cap space other than for the purpose of collecting assets, which the trade does worse case..
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Post#267 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:04 am

If Memphis decide to trade for WIggin's large contract

Financially, they traded 13m of Conley's 30m into Jazz's cap space, Memphis can buyout Bradley & Korver to save 15m this season if needed which is 28 mil with Wiggins 25m coming in & then Parsons 24m comes off the books next season with no need for Memphis to sign any large contracts with Ja & Jaren developing as rookies.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#268 » by VCfor3 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:40 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
Jake Fischer

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Oklahoma City has increased its efforts this afternoon to shed salary along with the No. 21 pick en route to dodging luxury tax, league sources say. Steven Adams, Andre Roberson, Dennis Schroeder all very available at the moment.

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3:41 PM - Jun 19, 2019 - Sports illustrated.

Steven Adams averages 13 & 9 on 24m per. He's overpaid for what he brings to the table. The FRP might be protected but if OKC want to dodge the luxury tax, the trade is his 48m, into pure cap space ..

This is the same team that traded Harden to save money so that they could resign Ibaka. Cutting that Adams 24m into pure cap space, is value to that franchise ..


Adams is available. 21 can potentially be included depending on the deal. I don't see Adams+21/future pick for pure space ever being on the table or the type of deal they meant when they said 21 is available. We actually discussed this concept on the trade board since there was also a report that Boston may have interest in Adams. Rough value was either Cap space+MIL 1st or Cap space+MIL 1st+Robert Williams. We certainly can be wrong, but with OKC not being able to trade a 1st till 2024 I doubt they are using one to dump their third best player to save some money.


You don't agree with the trade board consensus of the Bucks FRP being rough value?

Both Bucks picks are owed.

2020 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-7 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Milwaukee-Phoenix, 11/7/2017]

2022 first round draft pick to Cleveland
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2022 (if Milwaukee conveys a 1st round pick to Phoenix in 2020), 1-10 and 25-30 in 2023 and 1-8 in 2024; if Milwaukee has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Cleveland by 2024, then Milwaukee will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Milwaukee-Washington, 12/7/2018]

If OKC want to get under the Luxury tax, I think they will use their own FRP to drop 24m against the cap. This is the same team that gave up Harden off a finals run to save money in order to sign Ibaka when they were looking like contenders. They're a small market & financially cautious, especially now that the team is "not" looking like a contender, unlike they were when they decided to let go of Harden for financial reasons. I think it would be depend on the protection of the pick. Estimate their own 2020 pick top 12-15 protected as fair value with their intent to save against the Luxury tax, not just cut cap space. Which Memphis helping them shed 24m, more than does.

Masai had to give up a mid to late first to shed Demarre Carroll's salary one year removed from signing him to it, without worry of having to pay luxury tax. OKC have made 3 key solid players available to save cap, they aren't studying player value, they're studying not paying the tax.


Boston owns the 2020 Bucks 1st. I'm saying Boston was giving up that 1st to take Adams into their cap space. So OKC was trading Adams for caps space and the 2020 Bucks 1st with some people saying Boston should include Robert Williams as well.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#269 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:22 pm

VCfor3 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:
Adams is available. 21 can potentially be included depending on the deal. I don't see Adams+21/future pick for pure space ever being on the table or the type of deal they meant when they said 21 is available. We actually discussed this concept on the trade board since there was also a report that Boston may have interest in Adams. Rough value was either Cap space+MIL 1st or Cap space+MIL 1st+Robert Williams. We certainly can be wrong, but with OKC not being able to trade a 1st till 2024 I doubt they are using one to dump their third best player to save some money.


You don't agree with the trade board consensus of the Bucks FRP being rough value?

Both Bucks picks are owed.

2020 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-7 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Milwaukee-Phoenix, 11/7/2017]

2022 first round draft pick to Cleveland
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2022 (if Milwaukee conveys a 1st round pick to Phoenix in 2020), 1-10 and 25-30 in 2023 and 1-8 in 2024; if Milwaukee has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Cleveland by 2024, then Milwaukee will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Milwaukee-Washington, 12/7/2018]

If OKC want to get under the Luxury tax, I think they will use their own FRP to drop 24m against the cap. This is the same team that gave up Harden off a finals run to save money in order to sign Ibaka when they were looking like contenders. They're a small market & financially cautious, especially now that the team is "not" looking like a contender, unlike they were when they decided to let go of Harden for financial reasons. I think it would be depend on the protection of the pick. Estimate their own 2020 pick top 12-15 protected as fair value with their intent to save against the Luxury tax, not just cut cap space. Which Memphis helping them shed 24m, more than does.

Masai had to give up a mid to late first to shed Demarre Carroll's salary one year removed from signing him to it, without worry of having to pay luxury tax. OKC have made 3 key solid players available to save cap, they aren't studying player value, they're studying not paying the tax.


Boston owns the 2020 Bucks 1st. I'm saying Boston was giving up that 1st to take Adams into their cap space. So OKC was trading Adams for caps space and the 2020 Bucks 1st with some people saying Boston should include Robert Williams as well.


Boston doesn't own the Bucks 2020 pick, Suns do via OKC as I listed.

Boston owns

2020 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-6 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]

2020 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2020 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Boston, 2/7/2019]

Maybe the trade board meant the Memphis pick?.

Boston may have interest in Adams ... but not to give up value.

"League sources told BostonSportsJournal.com that Boston has had discussions with multiple teams about absorbing a large veteran contract with their anticipated salary cap space. The team is exploring leveraging that cap space into additional future assets (players and/or picks) in exchange for taking on a contract another team is looking to get rid of".

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-rumors-celtics-open-trading-bad-contracts-acquire-assets

OKC is looking to dodge the luxury tax (that's the trade leverage). If anyone is giving up a pick, it would be them. the questions would be how much cap space & what type of protection on the pick. Boston just traded Baynes with the 24th pick to shed 5m. I have OKC trading Adams 24m into pure cap space, where their goal is to avoid the luxury tax.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#270 » by VCfor3 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:00 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
You don't agree with the trade board consensus of the Bucks FRP being rough value?

Both Bucks picks are owed.

2020 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-7 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Milwaukee-Phoenix, 11/7/2017]

2022 first round draft pick to Cleveland
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2022 (if Milwaukee conveys a 1st round pick to Phoenix in 2020), 1-10 and 25-30 in 2023 and 1-8 in 2024; if Milwaukee has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Cleveland by 2024, then Milwaukee will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Milwaukee-Washington, 12/7/2018]

If OKC want to get under the Luxury tax, I think they will use their own FRP to drop 24m against the cap. This is the same team that gave up Harden off a finals run to save money in order to sign Ibaka when they were looking like contenders. They're a small market & financially cautious, especially now that the team is "not" looking like a contender, unlike they were when they decided to let go of Harden for financial reasons. I think it would be depend on the protection of the pick. Estimate their own 2020 pick top 12-15 protected as fair value with their intent to save against the Luxury tax, not just cut cap space. Which Memphis helping them shed 24m, more than does.

Masai had to give up a mid to late first to shed Demarre Carroll's salary one year removed from signing him to it, without worry of having to pay luxury tax. OKC have made 3 key solid players available to save cap, they aren't studying player value, they're studying not paying the tax.


Boston owns the 2020 Bucks 1st. I'm saying Boston was giving up that 1st to take Adams into their cap space. So OKC was trading Adams for caps space and the 2020 Bucks 1st with some people saying Boston should include Robert Williams as well.


Boston doesn't own the Bucks 2020 pick, Suns do via OKC as I listed.

Boston owns

2020 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-6 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]

2020 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2020 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Boston, 2/7/2019]

Maybe the trade board meant the Memphis pick?.

Boston may have interest in Adams ... but not to give up value.

"League sources told BostonSportsJournal.com that Boston has had discussions with multiple teams about absorbing a large veteran contract with their anticipated salary cap space. The team is exploring leveraging that cap space into additional future assets (players and/or picks) in exchange for taking on a contract another team is looking to get rid of".

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-rumors-celtics-open-trading-bad-contracts-acquire-assets

OKC is looking to dodge the luxury tax (that's the trade leverage). If anyone is giving up a pick, it would be them. the questions would be how much cap space & what type of protection on the pick. Boston just traded Baynes with the 24th pick to shed 5m. I have OKC trading Adams 24m into pure cap space, where their goal is to avoid the luxury tax.


The Suns traded that pick to Boston on draft night in order to draft Ty Jerome.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#271 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:17 pm

VCfor3 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:
Boston owns the 2020 Bucks 1st. I'm saying Boston was giving up that 1st to take Adams into their cap space. So OKC was trading Adams for caps space and the 2020 Bucks 1st with some people saying Boston should include Robert Williams as well.


Boston doesn't own the Bucks 2020 pick, Suns do via OKC as I listed.

Boston owns

2020 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-6 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]

2020 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2020 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Boston, 2/7/2019]

Maybe the trade board meant the Memphis pick?.

Boston may have interest in Adams ... but not to give up value.

"League sources told BostonSportsJournal.com that Boston has had discussions with multiple teams about absorbing a large veteran contract with their anticipated salary cap space. The team is exploring leveraging that cap space into additional future assets (players and/or picks) in exchange for taking on a contract another team is looking to get rid of".

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-rumors-celtics-open-trading-bad-contracts-acquire-assets

OKC is looking to dodge the luxury tax (that's the trade leverage). If anyone is giving up a pick, it would be them. the questions would be how much cap space & what type of protection on the pick. Boston just traded Baynes with the 24th pick to shed 5m. I have OKC trading Adams 24m into pure cap space, where their goal is to avoid the luxury tax.


The Suns traded that pick to Boston on draft night in order to draft Ty Jerome.


Didn't know that. Realgm future pick database has not been updated. So Boston traded Baynes & the 24th for the Bucks 2020 pick not just 5m pure cap space.

Unless something goes seriously wrong with the Bucks, that pick is projected 25-30. Suns got a slight upgrade in that case for taking Baynes into 5m cap space. Plus a solid backup C.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#272 » by VCfor3 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:20 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
Boston doesn't own the Bucks 2020 pick, Suns do via OKC as I listed.

Boston owns

2020 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-6 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]

2020 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2020 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Boston, 2/7/2019]

Maybe the trade board meant the Memphis pick?.

Boston may have interest in Adams ... but not to give up value.

"League sources told BostonSportsJournal.com that Boston has had discussions with multiple teams about absorbing a large veteran contract with their anticipated salary cap space. The team is exploring leveraging that cap space into additional future assets (players and/or picks) in exchange for taking on a contract another team is looking to get rid of".

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-rumors-celtics-open-trading-bad-contracts-acquire-assets

OKC is looking to dodge the luxury tax (that's the trade leverage). If anyone is giving up a pick, it would be them. the questions would be how much cap space & what type of protection on the pick. Boston just traded Baynes with the 24th pick to shed 5m. I have OKC trading Adams 24m into pure cap space, where their goal is to avoid the luxury tax.


The Suns traded that pick to Boston on draft night in order to draft Ty Jerome.


Didn't know that. Realgm future pick database has not been updated. So Boston traded Baynes & the 24th for the Bucks 2020 pick not just 5m pure cap space.


Correct. I don't know if Realgm is behind or if the trade hasn't been officially submitted. Quite a few of the trades agreed to on draft night can't be completed till July and I don't know if this is one of them.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#273 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:23 pm

VCfor3 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:
The Suns traded that pick to Boston on draft night in order to draft Ty Jerome.


Didn't know that. Realgm future pick database has not been updated. So Boston traded Baynes & the 24th for the Bucks 2020 pick not just 5m pure cap space.


Correct. I don't know if Realgm is behind or if the trade hasn't been officially submitted. Quite a few of the trades agreed to on draft night can't be completed till July and I don't know if this is one of them.


Possible, I edited late. That Bucks pick is projected 25-30. Unless something goes wrong with the Bucks, Suns are thinking they got a slight upgrade by taking a solid backup into 5m cap space.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#274 » by VCfor3 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:26 pm

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Didn't know that. Realgm future pick database has not been updated. So Boston traded Baynes & the 24th for the Bucks 2020 pick not just 5m pure cap space.


Correct. I don't know if Realgm is behind or if the trade hasn't been officially submitted. Quite a few of the trades agreed to on draft night can't be completed till July and I don't know if this is one of them.


Possible, I edited late. That Bucks pick is projected 25-30. Unless something goes wrong with the Bucks, Suns are thinking they got a slight upgrade by taking a solid backup into 5m cap space.


Boston got a salary dump and PHX got their backup center. It still was kinda weird for the Suns since they paid to clear Warren's salary. Looked like they were trying to get cap space to make a run at DLo or Brogdon and then took on salary.

EDIT: OKC wanted Bogdan in return for Adams from SAC supposedly.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#275 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:44 pm

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Correct. I don't know if Realgm is behind or if the trade hasn't been officially submitted. Quite a few of the trades agreed to on draft night can't be completed till July and I don't know if this is one of them.


Possible, I edited late. That Bucks pick is projected 25-30. Unless something goes wrong with the Bucks, Suns are thinking they got a slight upgrade by taking a solid backup into 5m cap space.


Boston got a salary dump and PHX got their backup center. It still was kinda weird for the Suns since they paid to clear Warren's salary. Looked like they were trying to get cap space to make a run at DLo or Brogdon and then took on salary.


Bucks landed 30 this year & should be top 5 again unless something goes seriously wrong. Theoretically Suns trade up for the 24th pick for the small salary dump while netting a serviceable backup C but things can change.

Nothing the Suns did made sense. Though they most likely did it with Russell in mind. If I was grading the draft I'd give them a Z. They reached & gave up value unnecessarily ..

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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#276 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:49 pm

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Correct. I don't know if Realgm is behind or if the trade hasn't been officially submitted. Quite a few of the trades agreed to on draft night can't be completed till July and I don't know if this is one of them.


Possible, I edited late. That Bucks pick is projected 25-30. Unless something goes wrong with the Bucks, Suns are thinking they got a slight upgrade by taking a solid backup into 5m cap space.


Boston got a salary dump and PHX got their backup center. It still was kinda weird for the Suns since they paid to clear Warren's salary. Looked like they were trying to get cap space to make a run at DLo or Brogdon and then took on salary.

EDIT: OKC wanted Bogdan in return for Adams from SAC supposedly.
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Bogdon makes 10mil this season, so OKC's saalary dump is only 14m in that request & Kings turned them down. My trade suggestion doesn't work if they want a serviceable asset & some savings.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#277 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:06 pm

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I’m told that momentum is growing in the direction of D’Angelo Russell to LAL. With the Nets in full pursuit of Durant & Irving, expect Russell to be renounced early and for LAL to then pursue heavily. LAL tentatively plans to offer Russell approx. $20M annually, sources say.

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Minnesota can beat that offer if they dump Wiggins 25m. How much is it worth to them, to dump one of the worse contracts in order to get a max player of interest in FA?.

Memphis (25m TPE) for (Culver & an unprotected 2022 first).
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#278 » by VCfor3 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:19 pm

Whole Truth wrote:Arye Abraham
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I’m told that momentum is growing in the direction of D’Angelo Russell to LAL. With the Nets in full pursuit of Durant & Irving, expect Russell to be renounced early and for LAL to then pursue heavily. LAL tentatively plans to offer Russell approx. $20M annually, sources say.

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Minnesota can beat that offer if they dump Wiggins 25m. How much is it worth to them, to dump one of the worse contracts in order to get a max player of interest in FA?.

Memphis (25m TPE) for (Culver & an unprotected 2022 first).


If you want to get yelled at, go post that on the MIN board haha. They can just move Teague+Dieng for cheaper if that is the price.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#279 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:37 pm

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Whole Truth wrote:Arye Abraham
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I’m told that momentum is growing in the direction of D’Angelo Russell to LAL. With the Nets in full pursuit of Durant & Irving, expect Russell to be renounced early and for LAL to then pursue heavily. LAL tentatively plans to offer Russell approx. $20M annually, sources say.

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3:43 PM - Jun 24, 2019

Minnesota can beat that offer if they dump Wiggins 25m. How much is it worth to them, to dump one of the worse contracts in order to get a max player of interest in FA?.

Memphis (25m TPE) for (Culver & an unprotected 2022 first).


If you want to get yelled at, go post that on the MIN board haha. They can just move Teague+Dieng for cheaper if that is the price.


Doesn't matter to me what fans think. If their front office want to dump Wiggins which they were rumored to asking every team in the league, that's the price. What that accomplishes is dumping equal salary that they hand out to Russel apposed to locking themselves into 3 max contracts & potentially more than one bad one.

If they prefer to move an expiring & shorter contract for less assets to take that financial risk on Wiggins & Russell at 60m then asset return would be different but that's not the presumption that I'm dealing under.

Saric & the 11th landed Culver,

I'd propose this -

Memphis trade - (18.2m TPE, Culver or FRP) for (Dieng)

That's 18m cap space (33m savings)

That same savings cost Brooklyn the (17th & 2020 FRP top 14 protected)

I ask for Culver or less protection on a 2022 pick instead of multiple assets.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#280 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:53 pm

Brooklyn traded the 17th & a 2020 FRP top 14 protected for 17m cap space (36m savings).

Wiggins for the TPE is 25m cap space (120m savings).

They can say what they want, most fans try to tip trades in their favor over reason.

Dieng & Tegue total 37m so they will have to take back salary in trade, no team is going to absorb that clean. It's also 42m in potential savings).

My proposed deal above TPE for Dieng is 18m cap space (33m savings) that cost Brooklyn a mid to late first in 2019 & 20.

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