Future Free Agent Thread

KDBG · Post #1121 » by **KDBG** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:58 pm

GobertReport wrote:
KDBG wrote:The reason why I think there were reports that Harris is interested in signing here, is cause of this. I don't think money is the most important factor. He's been interested to come here for at least a year it seems with rumors dating back to that time. But, the reason why the reports said it was a long shot cause of money reasons, was just stating the obvious. But I think most local media members, besides David Locke, don't know the exact inner workings of the franchise. Teams talk, players talk, and know exactly what's going on. I still don't think it's 100%, but I think the chances of us getting him are way higher than people think. Just trying to read between the lines here.

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Luigi · Post #1122 » by **Luigi** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:27 pm

So, let's talk about style of play. The fast break, 4 out offense, and ball movement for Harris on the 6ers and Harris on the Jazz.

Conley vs Simmons:
-Simmons might run more. But Conley can shoot. Simmons doesn't let you go 4 out. Both are pass first point guards that move the ball.

Mitchell vs Butler:
-Both players run some iso. I think I'd take Mitchell's spot up shot. He's also gonna be less stubborn than Butler.

Ingles vs Redick:
-Both help you play 4 out. Neither runs all that well. But Ingles will move the ball like a point guard.

Gobert vs Embiid:
-Embiid is a new age center, but if I'm Harris, I don't wanna play with Embiid. He stops the ball and takes a lot of bad possessions. His 3 isn't really reliable. Gobert gives you picks and boards and help defense, without taking away from your offensive game.

I'm not that familiar with the 76ers offense. Sometimes it looks like they try to let their talent develop things, by putting the ball in Simmons or Butler's hands, and getting it to Embiid where he likes it. When defenders are sagging off of Simmons, or Butler is being head strong, or Embiid is making bad decisions, the playstyle suffers. But when Simmons is penetrating, Butler is doing everything, and Embiid is too, they are very strong. Jazz don't really run that much, at least not right now. If Harris wants to run the floor from the 4 position, that might be able to change. And he can expect a lot of ball movement unless Conley or Mitchell decide they wanna score. But I kinda trust Conley and Mitchell to move it more than I trust Simmons (because of having no jumper) and Butler (for being headstrong).

Is our playstyle case strong enough to justify the paycut if we give him a player option?

Calhamid94 · Post #1123 » by **Calhamid94** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:47 pm

I’d love for Harris to come to Utah, but at this point is it really worth it? Why not just move a couple pieces around and try to get a stretch 4. Portis already has interest in Utah, as well as a couple other players. Having favors does a lot for us. He’s a dominant old school 4, and a great back up to Rudy. If we could get a 4 that can shoot and defend, as well as a solid back up pg, we would have a great second unit. One of the key reasons Toronto won, was because of their second unit. If we want Harris, we lose a lot of depth. We need to be ready just in case Conley goes down. Conley fixes a lot of problems on offense, I think we just need to focus on our needs, and not what we want.

KDBG · Post #1124 » by **KDBG** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:50 pm

Anyone realize Harris and Boban may be a package deal? That would make my life complete.

AingesBurner · Post #1125 » by **AingesBurner** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:55 pm

I realize people don’t like this idea but moving Ingles and waiving Favors for Harris is a big win now moves with positive implications IE really good and cheap Win now vets, if there ever were a time for a win now move it’s now, we definitely out gun every team in the west and I think Ingles peaked in 17-18, get value now before he goes down hill.

Calhamid94 · Post #1126 » by **Calhamid94** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:59 pm

Luigi wrote:Tobias Harris is earning himself a max deal so far this season. That may take him off of our radar, since he's probably not worth a max deal in the end.

Not many free agents that we can draw hit the market at a good price for us. This makes the 1 year rental/tryout option even more compelling for us (as OKC showed).

Ingles does a lot. Who would you try and get to replace him?

AingesBurner · Post #1127 » by **AingesBurner** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:01 pm

Calhamid94 wrote:
Luigi wrote:Tobias Harris is earning himself a max deal so far this season. That may take him off of our radar, since he's probably not worth a max deal in the end.

Not many free agents that we can draw hit the market at a good price for us. This makes the 1 year rental/tryout option even more compelling for us (as OKC showed).

Ingles does a lot. Who would you try and get to replace him?

I think Ingles has plateaued.

Luigi · Post #1128 » by **Luigi** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:02 pm

Calhamid94 wrote:
Luigi wrote:Tobias Harris is earning himself a max deal so far this season. That may take him off of our radar, since he's probably not worth a max deal in the end.

Not many free agents that we can draw hit the market at a good price for us. This makes the 1 year rental/tryout option even more compelling for us (as OKC showed).

Ingles does a lot. Who would you try and get to replace him?

This old post makes me smile. I think I still think that he's not worth max by himself, but this is a win now move after adding Conley.

Luigi · Post #1129 » by **Luigi** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:03 pm

KDBG wrote:Anyone realize Harris and Boban may be a package deal? That would make my life complete.

His backup C would be fun when Rudy is out.

Calhamid94 · Post #1130 » by **Calhamid94** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:05 pm

GobertReport wrote:I realize people don’t like this idea but moving Ingles and waiving Favors for Harris is a big win now moves with positive implications IE really good and cheap Win now vets, if there ever were a time for a win now move it’s now, we definitely out gun every team in the west and I think Ingles peaked in 17-18, get value now before he goes down hill.

Sorry, I meant to comment on this, my bad Luigi. Ingles does a lot, who would you try and get to replace him?

KDBG · Post #1131 » by **KDBG** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:14 pm

I would only give up Ingles if I knew Royce was ready to take on a full-time starting role, which I believe he potentially can. Royce has Bruce Bowen written all over him.

These are the hard decisions you have to make when you are being aggressive. You have to ask yourself, in a pecking order, how important is Ingles to the team?

AingesBurner · Post #1132 » by **AingesBurner** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:50 pm

Calhamid94 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:I realize people don’t like this idea but moving Ingles and waiving Favors for Harris is a big win now moves with positive implications IE really good and cheap Win now vets, if there ever were a time for a win now move it’s now, we definitely out gun every team in the west and I think Ingles peaked in 17-18, get value now before he goes down hill.

Sorry, I meant to comment on this, my bad Luigi. Ingles does a lot, who would you try and get to replace him?

Dudes that can do what he’s does for a 1/4 of the price. Like sign really good Euro vets like Jaycee Carroll.

dr0welf · Post #1133 » by **dr0welf** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:10 am

I wouldn't mind giving Motley a shot at vet min

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CAE15 · Post #1134 » by **CAE15** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:15 am

GobertReport wrote:
Calhamid94 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:I realize people don’t like this idea but moving Ingles and waiving Favors for Harris is a big win now moves with positive implications IE really good and cheap Win now vets, if there ever were a time for a win now move it’s now, we definitely out gun every team in the west and I think Ingles peaked in 17-18, get value now before he goes down hill.

Sorry, I meant to comment on this, my bad Luigi. Ingles does a lot, who would you try and get to replace him?

Dudes that can do what he’s does for a 1/4 of the price. Like sign really good Euro vets like Jaycee Carroll.

Ingles isn't an easily replaced player. He's been an elite catch and shoot shooter, he runs the pick n roll the best of anyone on the team. Maybe not with Conley now. Ingles also is one of the most irritating players to play against. You don't just replace that with a 35 year old European player. Rubio didn't work on the team because he, Favors and Gobert are all so limited in range. Adding Conley gives us now 3 capable catch and shoot guys. Moving Ingles takes us down to 2 again. Yes, he had a down year but he's still very important to this team.

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KqWIN · Post #1135 » by **KqWIN** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:57 am

You give up Ingles and Favors for Harris, there's a zero percent chance we get better from that trade.

Calhamid94 · Post #1136 » by **Calhamid94** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:19 am

I agree. Ingles is a Swiss Army knife, he can pretty much do everything. He might not be the fastest, but he has his own pace, which he uses to his advantage. On a side note, Rudy won defensive player of the year and mike Conley won 2 awards (one being teammate of the year)

AingesBurner · Post #1137 » by **AingesBurner** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:46 am

If you sign Harris then I definitely think you get really good ring chasing vets.

Luigi · Post #1138 » by **Luigi** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:59 am

Harris without Ingles won't be good enough.

I think we've seen the plan for Harris: we offer him a big but not max contract with a player option, and look for vet mins after that.

Plan B looks good to me. We gotta get some Lebron defenders. Hezonja, Carroll, Ariza are on my shortlist.

AingesBurner · Post #1139 » by **AingesBurner** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:05 am

Luigi wrote:Harris without Ingles won't be good enough.

I think we've seen the plan for Harris: we offer him a big but not max contract with a player option, and look for vet mins after that.

Plan B looks good to me. We gotta get some Lebron defenders. Hezonja, Carroll, Ariza are on my shortlist.

How do we offer him a close to max?

Luigi · Post #1140 » by **Luigi** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:09 am

GobertReport wrote:
Luigi wrote:Harris without Ingles won't be good enough.

I think we've seen the plan for Harris: we offer him a big but not max contract with a player option, and look for vet mins after that.

Plan B looks good to me. We gotta get some Lebron defenders. Hezonja, Carroll, Ariza are on my shortlist.

How do we offer him a close to max?

Check out the plans a page or two back from babyjax13 and stitches. They did some solid work on that.