Kyrie Irving Goodbye Thread

[celticfan42487]

No, the issue was Kyrie's selfishness on the court. The object of each game was to showcase his skills. Winning was secondary.

comment from ESPN's Jackie MacMullan that the team's problems were rooted in coach Brad Stevens "force-feeding" Gordon Hayward.

So was not Kirye the problem...

Kyrie destroyed the team and the starting lineup on his own. And did his best to get Ainge and Stevens fired.

Bench players were likely uspet that Hayward was the 6th man.

That's blaming a rock being in the ground after the volcano destroyed the city.

Those players wanted their shots and money to be fair, but they also knew Irving was untouchable and Hayward isn't. It's also easy to gang up on the outlier in the social group.

[BillTheGOAT]

He didn't write a paragraph under the picture, thats a new one

He did lol.

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

[Gooner]

He didn't write a paragraph under the picture, thats a new one

He did lol.

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

Maybe they are too similar.

[ermocrate]

No, the issue was Kyrie's selfishness on the court. The object of each game was to showcase his skills. Winning was secondary.

comment from ESPN's Jackie MacMullan that the team's problems were rooted in coach Brad Stevens "force-feeding" Gordon Hayward.

So was not Kirye the problem...

Kyrie destroyed the team and the starting lineup on his own. And did his best to get Ainge and Stevens fired.

Bench players were likely uspet that Hayward was the 6th man.

That's blaming a rock being in the ground after the volcano destroyed the city.

Those players wanted their shots and money to be fair, but they also knew Irving was untouchable and Hayward isn't. It's also easy to gang up on the outlier in the social group.

Need more poof beside your words... I've heard multiple voices about players being disgruntled because GH was "babyed" anbd now Jackie Mac, the most respectable Celtics reporter, says that GH stealing time to Brown and Tatum was at the "roots" of all team problems... I need more than an anonymous poster on Real GM to confute that.

It all squares up tho, Kyrie already played with the group the year before, GH was the only variable...

[ermocrate]

He didn't write a paragraph under the picture, thats a new one

He did lol.

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

How you know that?

[celticfan42487]

So was not Kirye the problem...

Kyrie destroyed the team and the starting lineup on his own. And did his best to get Ainge and Stevens fired.

Bench players were likely uspet that Hayward was the 6th man.

That's blaming a rock being in the ground after the volcano destroyed the city.

Those players wanted their shots and money to be fair, but they also knew Irving was untouchable and Hayward isn't. It's also easy to gang up on the outlier in the social group.

Need more poof beside your words... I've heard multiple voices about players being disgruntled because GH was "babyed" anbd now Jackie Mac, the most respectable Celtics reporter, says that GH stealing time to Brown and Tatum was at the "roots" of all team problems... I need more than an anonymous poster on Real GM to confute that.

It all squares up tho, Kyrie already played with the group the year before, GH was the only variable...

Read more reports, it's said over and over again.

It's not me saying it, it's not you saying it, it's the reports saying it.

And yes Rozier and Brown wanted a bigger role and were disappointed they were not leading the second unit while Hayward disappointed all season and didn't outproduce them. That's very small potatotes compared to the issues with Irving which were TEAM wide and franchise wide. To the point players refuse to play with him again unless they can win a ring, including Horford.

What was the last list? Only Smart, Tatum and someone else haven't soured on Irving. I believe there was a third player and I'm pretty sure it was Morris as the other person that were still okay with him professionally. Can't reall the third for sure atm. The fact you've heard 0 things about that with Hayward is more than you ever need to know.

[ermocrate]

Kyrie destroyed the team and the starting lineup on his own. And did his best to get Ainge and Stevens fired.

Bench players were likely uspet that Hayward was the 6th man.

That's blaming a rock being in the ground after the volcano destroyed the city.

Those players wanted their shots and money to be fair, but they also knew Irving was untouchable and Hayward isn't. It's also easy to gang up on the outlier in the social group.

Need more poof beside your words... I've heard multiple voices about players being disgruntled because GH was "babyed" anbd now Jackie Mac, the most respectable Celtics reporter, says that GH stealing time to Brown and Tatum was at the "roots" of all team problems... I need more than an anonymous poster on Real GM to confute that.

It all squares up tho, Kyrie already played with the group the year before, GH was the only variable...

Read more reports, it's said over and over again.

It's not me saying it, it's not you saying it, it's the reports saying it.

And yes Rozier and Brown wanted a bigger role and were disappointed they were not leading the second unit while Hayward disappointed all season and didn't outproduce them. That's very small potatotes compared to the issues with Irving which were TEAM wide and franchise wide. To the point players refuse to play with him again unless they can win a ring, including Horford.

What was the last list? Only Smart, Tatum and someone else haven't soured on Irving. I believe there was a third player and I'm pretty sure it was Morris as the other person that were still okay with him professionally. Can't reall the third for sure atm. The fact you've heard 0 things about that with Hayward is more than you ever need to know.

Heard what? Chit chat of people a 2 cents reporters? I haven't heard CBS and DA say they wanted Kyrie out and are now relieved, I haven't heard Horford say nothing... I've only see a polemic mounted from Boston's enemies over a fair normal KI interview...
The press was pushing hard to make KI lose it and make fans hate him, unfortunately someone did bite and we are where we are now. It's not that Kyrie dindn't play last season with Boston, he did play and nobody was angry at him, everything was fine and dandy. Light up man.

[celticfan42487]

Need more poof beside your words... I've heard multiple voices about players being disgruntled because GH was "babyed" anbd now Jackie Mac, the most respectable Celtics reporter, says that GH stealing time to Brown and Tatum was at the "roots" of all team problems... I need more than an anonymous poster on Real GM to confute that.

It all squares up tho, Kyrie already played with the group the year before, GH was the only variable...

Read more reports, it's said over and over again.

It's not me saying it, it's not you saying it, it's the reports saying it.

And yes Rozier and Brown wanted a bigger role and were disappointed they were not leading the second unit while Hayward disappointed all season and didn't outproduce them. That's very small potatotes compared to the issues with Irving which were TEAM wide and franchise wide. To the point players refuse to play with him again unless they can win a ring, including Horford.

What was the last list? Only Smart, Tatum and someone else haven't soured on Irving. I believe there was a third player and I'm pretty sure it was Morris as the other person that were still okay with him professionally. Can't reall the third for sure atm. The fact you've heard 0 things about that with Hayward is more than you ever need to know.

Heard what? Chit chat of people a 2 cents reporters? I haven't heard CBS and DA say they wanted Kyrie out and are now relieved, I haven't heard Horford say nothing... I've only see a polemic mounted from Boston's enemies over a fair normal KI interview...
The press was pushing hard to make KI lose it and make fans hate him, unfortunately someone did bite and we are where we are now. It's not that Kyrie dindn't play last season with Boston, he did play and nobody was angry at him, everything was fine and dandy. Light up man.

Oh good. By that standard, you can't say you've heard GH was a problem at all.

Actually the old fashion 'Hey guys! You know you're not the actual GM of the Celtics lol!' does actually mean, if you'll hold yourself to that same standard you can't have an opinion on anything Celtics related.

Enjoy!

[Roddy]

Hey Kyrie

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[Darth Celtic]

Need more poof beside your words... I've heard multiple voices about players being disgruntled because GH was "babyed" anbd now Jackie Mac, the most respectable Celtics reporter, says that GH stealing time to Brown and Tatum was at the "roots" of all team problems... I need more than an anonymous poster on Real GM to confute that.

It all squares up tho, Kyrie already played with the group the year before, GH was the only variable...

Read more reports, it's said over and over again.

It's not me saying it, it's not you saying it, it's the reports saying it.

And yes Rozier and Brown wanted a bigger role and were disappointed they were not leading the second unit while Hayward disappointed all season and didn't outproduce them. That's very small potatotes compared to the issues with Irving which were TEAM wide and franchise wide. To the point players refuse to play with him again unless they can win a ring, including Horford.

What was the last list? Only Smart, Tatum and someone else haven't soured on Irving. I believe there was a third player and I'm pretty sure it was Morris as the other person that were still okay with him professionally. Can't reall the third for sure atm. The fact you've heard 0 things about that with Hayward is more than you ever need to know.

Heard what? Chit chat of people a 2 cents reporters? I haven't heard CBS and DA say they wanted Kyrie out and are now relieved, I haven't heard Horford say nothing... I've only see a polemic mounted from Boston's enemies over a fair normal KI interview...
The press was pushing hard to make KI lose it and make fans hate him, unfortunately someone did bite and we are where we are now. It's not that Kyrie dindn't play last season with Boston, he did play and nobody was angry at him, everything was fine and dandy. Light up man.

weeeeeelllllll, not exactly true.

Ainge: "I think it just makes life more enjoyable when everybody is humble, hard-working, and will play any role they have to to help the team succeed. You do have to have a certain amount of talent to win, as we all know, but good people makes coming to work more fun."

9:56 AM - 24 Jun 2019

[DarkAzcura]

People still think Brad runs a system that doesn’t feature top players? Lol. IT averaged 30 a game here, and Kyrie took any shot he wanted with no repercussion whatsoever. He took 19 shots a game. That’s a ton, and he was allowed to do his favorite thing on the planet in isolating.

Again this is a read and react system. Every player on this team is empowered to make whatever reads they want out there for the most part, and Stevens empowered Kyrie, as the PG, to be the central decision maker in almost our entire read and react offense. That’s the definition of being featured.

You aren’t even stuck running sets in a predefined system in Boston as often as some other teams. That’s part of Stevens promise as a coach, that he can adapt to most player’s play style. We went from a ball movement heavy team to an isolation focused team because the personnel called for it, and Stevens rolled with it. If anything I think Stevens needs to change a bit here and not let players, especially players like Kyrie, control the offense so much. He was over-featured if anything.

The issue in the end could had been poor player mixture. Smart, Baynes, Hayward, and Horford all thrive in a ball movement play style. Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and Kyrie do not (hoping this changes for Tatum and Brown soon). Morris was surprisingly able to fit into both styles, though he generally leans isolation. Mixing those 9 together led to conflict in play style and either Ainge needed to recognize that or Stevens should had gotten rid of the read and react system which generally allows players to free lance (i.e. Kyrie doing whatever the hell he wanted to do/being featured). That leads to messy results for players who like ball movement and vice versa.

Thinking too hard man.

The issue is that players like Rozier, Morris shot wherever and whenever they wanted

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This is a discussion forum, man. The fun in these conversations is discussing player mixture and why players do the things they do in relation to the system. I am not a Morris fan at all, but he was far from the issue last season when it came to the system. He actually tried his hardest to fit into the read and react system, which was very surprising. Kyrie and Brown had no interest in playing the read and react system (Brown came back to reality by the all star break, though), or they just were not smart enough to make the correct reads. This trickled down to Rozier and Tatum, who imo, are very impressionable and will easily slide back into heavy isolation habits if others are doing it.

If you are going to employ a read and react system, you need smarter players. Players like Kyrie do not fit that bill when given as much responsibility as he had so I am going to call it out when some think Stevens didn't "feature" Kyrie. Kyrie was given all the keys and then some.

[s1ickd]

He did lol.

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

Maybe they are too similar.

One trait doesn't make them similar. Nobody has had issues with Jaylen Brown pre 2019. Many have had issues with Kyrie way before then.

[FlatearthZorro]

He didn't write a paragraph under the picture, thats a new one

He did lol.

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

The guy is not an intellectual, Brown is smarter than him:"Ego has no room between You and Me. We are One!
I am." -> this is not intellectual, this is jiberish and he's a hypocrite cause his ego is bigger than the USA.

[DarkAzcura]

He did lol.

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

Maybe they are too similar.

Kyrie and Brown aren't really that similar. Kyrie is full on conspiracy theorist. That would make guys like Brown who enjoy learning about policy (he's his own agent, and is a VP in the NBPA) and visiting Harvard for lectures/talks skin crawl.

[Jaqua92]

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

Maybe they are too similar.

Kyrie and Brown aren't really that similar. Kyrie is full on conspiracy theorist. That would make guys like Brown who enjoy learning about policy (he's his own agent, and is a VP in the NBPA) and visiting Harvard for lectures/talks skin crawl.

Neither of them are smart, make no mistake.. the difference is that I think jaylin understands his limitations. He isn't an intellectual. None of these guys are. They are Professional athletes who don't have anything resembling a serious college education.

that said, I think Jalen appreciates the search for knowledge and recognizes that he isn't the intellectual he may want to be and recognizes that there are absolutely limitations to his intelligence, he's willing to put himself out there as a student, not just an athlete.

While Kyrie is putting himself out there not as a student, but as a Buddhist monk who has not spend any time training as one.

They both have egos, I just think Jaylen Brown May recognize his own shortcomings and he will absolutely be a much more mature twenty-six-year-old than Kyrie ones

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[Dogen]

He did lol.

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

The guy is not an intellectual, Brown is smarter than him:"Ego has no room between You and Me. We are One!
I am." -> this is not intellectual, this is jiberish and he's a hypocrite cause his ego is bigger than the USA.

“Kyrie-san, what is the sound of one hand fapping?”

[meatball sub]

He did lol.

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

The guy is not an intellectual, Brown is smarter than him:"Ego has no room between You and Me. We are One!
I am." -> this is not intellectual, this is jiberish and he's a hypocrite cause his ego is bigger than the USA.

Yeah, Kyrie is **** dumb bro. Jaylen is actually an intelligent guy. You can tell the difference between the two when you listen to them speak. Jaylen sounds like a normal smart dude — Kyrie sounds like a dude who desperately wants people to think he’s smart.

[BigTrade92]

We can almost lock this right?

I don’t even wanna see this dudes name mentioned any more.

[Jaqua92]

I’m surprised quasi intellectualls like him and Brown didn’t get along. I mean he’s best friends with KD...

The guy is not an intellectual, Brown is smarter than him:"Ego has no room between You and Me. We are One!
I am." -> this is not intellectual, this is jiberish and he's a hypocrite cause his ego is bigger than the USA.

Yeah, Kyrie is **** dumb bro. Jaylen is actually an intelligent guy. You can tell the difference between the two when you listen to them speak. Jaylen sounds like a normal smart dude — Kyrie sounds like a dude who desperately wants people to think he’s smart.

Jaylen does not seem like a smart dude. For NBA players, but I don't think he's smarter than your average Joe.

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[celticfan42487]

The guy is not an intellectual, Brown is smarter than him:"Ego has no room between You and Me. We are One!
I am." -> this is not intellectual, this is jiberish and he's a hypocrite cause his ego is bigger than the USA.

Yeah, Kyrie is **** dumb bro. Jaylen is actually an intelligent guy. You can tell the difference between the two when you listen to them speak. Jaylen sounds like a normal smart dude — Kyrie sounds like a dude who desperately wants people to think he’s smart.

Jaylen does not seem like a smart dude. For NBA players, but I don't think he's smarter than your average Joe.

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Agreed.

Jaylen seems like a high schooler who happens to think he's smart because he watched a youtube series on Philosophy and that's about it.

Not as outlandish as Irving but he doesn't sound like he has a great grasp on reality. Just a very overinflated opinion of his own intelligence and superiority.