Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic

basketballRob · Post #421 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:52 pm

The only thing that scares me is Jabari Parker who has the same build as Okeke. Parker did do pretty well last year but the times I saw him he looked very out of shape. I don't know what's going on with Washington but that whole team looked out of shape especially early in the year.

basketballRob · Post #422 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:00 pm

Jabari tore his left leg ACL twice. Chuma has tore his once but I'm looking at a video from two years ago where he had problems with that same knee.

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tiderulz · Post #423 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:06 pm

basketballRob wrote:The only thing that scares me is Jabari Parker who has the same build as Okeke. Parker did do pretty well last year but the times I saw him he looked very out of shape. I don't know what's going on with Washington but that whole team looked out of shape especially early in the year.

Parker is heavier than Okeke and his body type was heavier too. I bet his body fat % much higher.

basketballRob · Post #424 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:09 pm

tiderulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote:The only thing that scares me is Jabari Parker who has the same build as Okeke. Parker did do pretty well last year but the times I saw him he looked very out of shape. I don't know what's going on with Washington but that whole team looked out of shape especially early in the year.

Parker is heavier than Okeke and his body type was heavier too. I bet his body fat % much higher.

Hopefully with Chuma that doesn't get to be a problem but he seems like a gym rat type of guy. I still think Parker could do well but I think he needs to lose some weight.

NotACat · Post #425 » by **NotACat** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:44 pm

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zaymon · Post #426 » by **zaymon** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:24 pm

I am more and more shocked he went so under the radar. If this is the bluebrint for Weltman i am both feet in. **** the championship i love every player on the roster, that is my team.

yoyojw17 · Post #427 » by **yoyojw17** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:46 pm

Def Swami wrote:
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They have made some bold moves and some very savvy maneuvers:

1 They chose Jonathan Isaac over DSJr.

First two seasons:

Isaac: 12.3 PER / +1.3 VORP / -0.3 BPM / -1.26 RPM / 103 ORtg / 106 DRtg
Smith: 12.6 PER / -0.1 VORP / -2.4 BPM / -2.56 RPM / 94 ORtg / 111 DRtg

Last season:

Isaac: 13.0 PER / +1.1 VORP / +0.1 BPM / -0.44 RPM / 107 ORtg / 106 DRtg
Smith: 12.3 PER / -0.2 VORP / -2.5 BPM / -2.02 RPM / 96 ORtg / 112 DRtg

2 The Aaron Gordon contract was a thing of beauty. In years 3 and 4 of his deal, AG at culmination of his peak ascent (26/27) will be on a 15.9% and 13.7% of cap contract. It will either be a tremendous bargain or an excellent trade asset.

3 Using the only vehicle they had available to them in free agency their first offseason (the MLE), they acquired Jonathon Simmons after a breakout playoff performance. They did so on yet another very team friendly deal. They structured his deal so that it was descending and had final year non-guaranteed...aka excellent trade asset.

They also converted a 25th pick into a future OKC top 20 protected 1st + a future 2nd Rd Pick.

They then consolidated Jonathon Simmons with that OKC pick to land Markelle Fultz, the former #1 pick in 2017. While the result of that asset chain is still undetermined, that is still an impressive conversion of low end assets into a potentially very high value asset.

4 Found Wesley Iwundu in the 2nd Round. Finding a rotation player in the 2nd round is a solid acquisition. Some aren't as high on Wes as I am, but at worse he's an excellent defensive weapon to have coming off the bench.

5 Found Khem Birch in Europe. Expended zero draft assets to acquire a good rotation level asset. RFA so Magic can retain the asset.

6 Found Isaiah Briscoe in Europe. Expended zero draft assets to acquire a roster level asset. UFA but rehabbing with Magic and will likely be part of training camp.

7 Acquired Michael Carter Williams without expending any assets and now have his Bird Rights as he enters UFA.

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Weltman is credited with forcing his idea to draft Siakam. Ujiri said he did everything to keep him.
I dont know who started this notion that our biggest need is a backup guard. I will fight it with all my strength.

Dj/ Fultz
Fournier/ Frazier... Ross
Gordon/ Iwundu
Isaac
Bamba... Vucevic/Birch

5 guards
3 forwards
3 big man

If we are to resign Vucevic, Ross and Birch we needed 1 guard and 3 wings/forwards. We drafted Okeke and signed Jeffries and we still ideally need one wing/forward. If you look at free agency the easiest position to find a bargain is...... guard.

Lamb
Hood
KCP
Rivers
Satoransky
Rubio
Burcks
Bullock
Curry
Green
Joseph
Beverley
Rose
Wright
Brogdon
......
Payton

I didnt even mentioned the biggest fishes. Dont believe in everything media gives you make your own analysis.

WeHam has been transparent and deliberate with all of their moves. And agreed.... they might have a plan that's further beyond anything than we can conceive. Just because most of us thought that the SG position was the highest position of need .... doesn't mean that it had to be addressed in the draft. And with that thought solidified ... and people literally making it seem like fournier is utter garbage made that need look like an even bigger hole. Assuming that fournier will have a bounce back season with a healthy fultz.... which is what they are assuming.... makes a strong backcourt and adds a totally different dimension to an already up and coming team... on BOTH ends of the court.

We have no clue how this team will be filled out.... but they have deserved my confidence because i can for once understand which direction this team is going.

That's kind of the problem though. This plan relies on a lot of hope without much objective evidence that it will occur.

I'm pretty positive he is though. But yet there are no guarantees either.... so when i say something i say it with a level of uncertainty. "I hope zion is first team rookie team this year"... once again... my gut says i'm pretty sure about it... but there is a level of uncertainty.

If the team is going into a direction where they might be going against the popular belief is because they have either confidence in what they have or there is another plan down the pipeline. For me though.... i can see fournier regaining form next season. From the way he seemed in exit interviews.... he was disappointed in his season and will work towards that bounceback as a leader on this team. but... no guarantees.... so i will continue "hoping" :-)

ezzzp · Post #428 » by **ezzzp** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:12 pm

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ezzzp · Post #431 » by **ezzzp** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:47 pm

NotACat wrote:This is a long Twitter video thread, but it absolutely worth the time:

dude my bad I just noticed you had already posted

NotACat · Post #432 » by **NotACat** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:50 pm

ezzzp wrote:
NotACat wrote:This is a long Twitter video thread, but it absolutely worth the time:

dude my bad I just noticed you had already posted

No worries, glad you also thought it was good.

Magic#1 · Post #433 » by **Magic#1** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:39 pm

So, here's my question, what does Chuma bring that JI does not? From my perspective, it seems like we did not handle our assets well this draft. We could have gotten Chuma later and picked up a 2nd and even our own 2nd we could have taken the highest-rated euro we had on the board and sent him overseas.

NotACat · Post #434 » by **NotACat** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:16 pm

Magic#1 wrote:So, here's my question, what does Chuma bring that JI does not? From my perspective, it seems like we did not handle our assets well this draft. We could have gotten Chuma later and picked up a 2nd and even our own 2nd we could have taken the highest-rated euro we had on the board and sent him overseas.

Out of the draft, JI is a much better athlete and has better measurables, but Chuma is much better at basketball related things (feel/IQ, passing, shooting, off ball movement, defense fundamentals).

MoMM · Post #435 » by **MoMM** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:46 pm

Magic#1 wrote:So, here's my question, what does Chuma bring that JI does not? From my perspective, it seems like we did not handle our assets well this draft. We could have gotten Chuma later and picked up a 2nd and even our own 2nd we could have taken the highest-rated euro we had on the board and sent him overseas.

They tried to trade down, but couldn't find another team that would kind of be guaranteed to draft Okeke. Our GM even got a call from another Eastern Conference GM congratulating him and saying that he would pick Okeke if Magic hadn't.

To sum up, obviously that he tried, but it's not video game, you need two partners to dance.

basketballRob · Post #436 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:11 am

Just watched highlights of Rui Hichimura and he's listed as the same size and weight as Chuma and doesn't look as good in my opinion. I didn't see those effort plays Chuma makes or the range on his shots.

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OrlChamps2030 · Post #437 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:15 am

What about Harrison Barnes as a comp ?

VFX · Post #438 » by **VFX** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:00 am

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Great breakdowns. He looks like a solid 3 and D player that has difficulty creating his own shot but has a lot of room to develop. Reminds me of Otto Porter.

Magic#1 · Post #439 » by **Magic#1** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:18 am

NotACat wrote:
Magic#1 wrote:So, here's my question, what does Chuma bring that JI does not? From my perspective, it seems like we did not handle our assets well this draft. We could have gotten Chuma later and picked up a 2nd and even our own 2nd we could have taken the highest-rated euro we had on the board and sent him overseas.

Out of the draft, JI is a much better athlete and has better measurables, but Chuma is much better at basketball related things (feel/IQ, passing, shooting, off ball movement, defense fundamentals).

I'll give you shooting and probably off the ball movement out of the draft, but now and especially after another offseason for JI, I don't see Chuma better at any of those things at all. He's a good prospect with good NBA skills, but I feel like we have an even better version of what he is.

spinedoc · Post #440 » by **spinedoc** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:27 am

basketballRob wrote:Just watched highlights of Rui Hichimura and he's listed as the same size and weight as Chuma and doesn't look as good in my opinion. I didn't see those effort plays Chuma makes or the range on his shots.

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Rui has a better post game, more moves, back to the basket, and mid range game. Not the range of Chuma, or maybe the hustle, but a guy with much better handles and can lead a fast break. Chuma is going to have to learn to create for himself more. He does have a better first step to the basket, but Rui is the better all around player. Both tweeners, Rui best fills the sf spot, and Chuma more of a stretch four.