Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic

[basketballRob]

Just watched highlights of Rui Hichimura and he's listed as the same size and weight as Chuma and doesn't look as good in my opinion. I didn't see those effort plays Chuma makes or the range on his shots.

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Rui has a better post game, more moves, back to the basket, and mid range game. Not the range of Chuma, or maybe the hustle, but a guy with much better handles and can lead a fast break. Chuma is going to have to learn to create for himself more. He does have a better first step to the basket, but Rui is the better all around player. Both tweeners, Rui best fills the sf spot, and Chuma more of a stretch four.

Not sure why Rui could be a SF and Chuma couldn't. Rui looks more mechanical and slower to me. If anything I would say Rui is by far more of a power forward than Chuma.

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[spinedoc]

Just watched highlights of Rui Hichimura and he's listed as the same size and weight as Chuma and doesn't look as good in my opinion. I didn't see those effort plays Chuma makes or the range on his shots.

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Rui has a better post game, more moves, back to the basket, and mid range game. Not the range of Chuma, or maybe the hustle, but a guy with much better handles and can lead a fast break. Chuma is going to have to learn to create for himself more. He does have a better first step to the basket, but Rui is the better all around player. Both tweeners, Rui best fills the sf spot, and Chuma more of a stretch four.

Not sure why Rui could be a SF and Chuma couldn't. Rui looks more mechanical and slower to me. If anything I would say Rui is by far more of a power forward than Chuma.

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you say mechanical, I say more deliberate. He's patient in his offense, Chuma is more athletic slasher. He's kind of like AG with a better shot. Rui can get his own shot though in a variety of ways. Sure Chuma can play sf, but I say athletic four because he's lacking the moves Rui has. Neither is ideal imo however.

[basketballRob]

Rui has a better post game, more moves, back to the basket, and mid range game. Not the range of Chuma, or maybe the hustle, but a guy with much better handles and can lead a fast break. Chuma is going to have to learn to create for himself more. He does have a better first step to the basket, but Rui is the better all around player. Both tweeners, Rui best fills the sf spot, and Chuma more of a stretch four.

Not sure why Rui could be a SF and Chuma couldn't. Rui looks more mechanical and slower to me. If anything I would say Rui is by far more of a power forward than Chuma.

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you say mechanical, I say more deliberate. He's patient in his offense, Chuma is more athletic slasher. He's kind of like AG with a better shot. Rui can get his own shot though in a variety of ways. Sure Chuma can play sf, but I say athletic four because he's lacking the moves Rui has. Neither is ideal imo however.

Rui might have a better handle right now but he seems to be mostly a back to the basket type guy. He could expand his range so we'll have to wait and see.

I haven't looked at his defensive highlights but Chuma put up better rebounds, steals, blocks, and also assists stats.

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[spinedoc]

Not sure why Rui could be a SF and Chuma couldn't. Rui looks more mechanical and slower to me. If anything I would say Rui is by far more of a power forward than Chuma.

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you say mechanical, I say more deliberate. He's patient in his offense, Chuma is more athletic slasher. He's kind of like AG with a better shot. Rui can get his own shot though in a variety of ways. Sure Chuma can play sf, but I say athletic four because he's lacking the moves Rui has. Neither is ideal imo however.

Rui might have a better handle right now but he seems to be mostly a back to the basket type guy. He could expand his range so we'll have to wait and see.

I haven't looked at his defensive highlights but Chuma put up better rebounds, steals, blocks, and also assists stats.

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That's blasphemy around here now lol, I still say its great basketball. Both are liabilities on man defense at the next level though. Nice shot blockers from the weakside, but may get eaten up by nba wings. Chuma may be a better version of AG however, and much cheaper.

[basketballRob]

you say mechanical, I say more deliberate. He's patient in his offense, Chuma is more athletic slasher. He's kind of like AG with a better shot. Rui can get his own shot though in a variety of ways. Sure Chuma can play sf, but I say athletic four because he's lacking the moves Rui has. Neither is ideal imo however.

Rui might have a better handle right now but he seems to be mostly a back to the basket type guy. He could expand his range so we'll have to wait and see.

I haven't looked at his defensive highlights but Chuma put up better rebounds, steals, blocks, and also assists stats.

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That's blasphemy around here now lol, I still say its great basketball. Both are liabilities on man defense at the next level though. Nice shot blockers from the weakside, but may get eaten up by nba wings. Chuma may be a better version of AG however, and much cheaper.

The one thing Chuma can do to the smaller wings is dominate them in the post and he can get by the bigger slower players. Rui is more of I'm going to back you down type player or create space to take a short jump shot.

I think Rui is more like AG than Chuma. I just think he'll struggle with the three point shot.

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[spinedoc]

Rui might have a better handle right now but he seems to be mostly a back to the basket type guy. He could expand his range so we'll have to wait and see.

I haven't looked at his defensive highlights but Chuma put up better rebounds, steals, blocks, and also assists stats.

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That's blasphemy around here now lol, I still say its great basketball. Both are liabilities on man defense at the next level though. Nice shot blockers from the weakside, but may get eaten up by nba wings. Chuma may be a better version of AG however, and much cheaper.

The one thing Chuma can do to the smaller wings is dominate them in the post and he can get by the bigger slower players. Rui is more of I'm going to back you down type player or create space to take a short jump shot.

I think Rui is more like AG than Chuma. I just think he'll struggle with the three point shot.

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We may disagree on nuance, but all 3 are on the same menu. My main point is its not my favorite restraunt.

[CZ Eddie]

Chuma is going to be an A+ rated role player.
You can't have enough of those in the NBA these days.

[Blue_and_Whte]

you say mechanical, I say more deliberate. He's patient in his offense, Chuma is more athletic slasher. He's kind of like AG with a better shot. Rui can get his own shot though in a variety of ways. Sure Chuma can play sf, but I say athletic four because he's lacking the moves Rui has. Neither is ideal imo however.

Rui might have a better handle right now but he seems to be mostly a back to the basket type guy. He could expand his range so we'll have to wait and see.

I haven't looked at his defensive highlights but Chuma put up better rebounds, steals, blocks, and also assists stats.

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That's blasphemy around here now lol, I still say its great basketball. Both are liabilities on man defense at the next level though. Nice shot blockers from the weakside, but may get eaten up by nba wings. Chuma may be a better version of AG however, and much cheaper.

Speaking of blasphemy!

[spinedoc]

Chuma is going to be an A+ rated role player.
You can't have enough of those in the NBA these days.

This isn't a knock on Chuma, but you can have too many, when role players is all you have. At some point we need a leading man. I'm not even talking about having a star yet, but at least an interesting protagonist. We have enough of the same kind of player, what we need is a go to scorer.

[Nyce_1]

Chuma is going to be an A+ rated role player.
You can't have enough of those in the NBA these days.

This isn't a knock on Chuma, but you can have too many, when role players is all you have. At some point we need a leading man. I'm not even talking about having a star yet, but at least an interesting protagonist. We have enough of the same kind of player, what we need is a go to scorer.

Anyone we picked at 16 was projected to be some type of role player. We took the best one, and at a position we'll always need. Go-to scores are hard to find. Hopefully we already have one on the roster.

Still have FA to address needs.

[fendilim]

Chuma is going to be an A+ rated role player.
You can't have enough of those in the NBA these days.

This isn't a knock on Chuma, but you can have too many, when role players is all you have. At some point we need a leading man. I'm not even talking about having a star yet, but at least an interesting protagonist. We have enough of the same kind of player, what we need is a go to scorer.

Anyone we picked at 16 was projected to be some type of role player. We took the best one, and at a position we'll always need. Go-to scores are hard to find. Hopefully we already have one on the roster.

Still have FA to address needs.

Well, not gonna lie but Okeke seem to have a better shot creation skills than Gordon or Isaac coming out of college.

Not saying he is the savior, but I think this guy can be at least a better scoring option.

No knock on Isaac. Jury still out on the guy. But his college highlights are mostly of assisted shots and not much creation for others.

While okeke has shown he can create on the post, and can turn on either shoulder when posting up.

[magicman112]

Chuma is going to be an A+ rated role player.
You can't have enough of those in the NBA these days.

This isn't a knock on Chuma, but you can have too many, when role players is all you have. At some point we need a leading man. I'm not even talking about having a star yet, but at least an interesting protagonist. We have enough of the same kind of player, what we need is a go to scorer.

Anyone we picked at 16 was projected to be some type of role player. We took the best one, and at a position we'll always need. Go-to scores are hard to find. Hopefully we already have one on the roster.

Still have FA to address needs.

Well said. That's exactly it and ACL tears are not the catastrophic injuries they used to be.

[OrlandoNed]

This isn't a knock on Chuma, but you can have too many, when role players is all you have. At some point we need a leading man. I'm not even talking about having a star yet, but at least an interesting protagonist. We have enough of the same kind of player, what we need is a go to scorer.

Anyone we picked at 16 was projected to be some type of role player. We took the best one, and at a position we'll always need. Go-to scores are hard to find. Hopefully we already have one on the roster.

Still have FA to address needs.

Well said. That's exactly it and ACL tears are not the catastrophic injuries they used to be.

ACL injuries are so passé. Achilles tears are the catastrophic injuries that are hot right now.

[basketballRob]

Anyone we picked at 16 was projected to be some type of role player. We took the best one, and at a position we'll always need. Go-to scores are hard to find. Hopefully we already have one on the roster.

Still have FA to address needs.

Well said. That's exactly it and ACL tears are not the catastrophic injuries they used to be.

ACL injuries are so passé. Achilles tears are the catastrophic injuries that are hot right now.

I don't feel as bad after I found out Lowry had one in college and Shumpert his rookie year and both had long careers.

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[OrlandoNed]

Well said. That's exactly it and ACL tears are not the catastrophic injuries they used to be.

ACL injuries are so passé. Achilles tears are the catastrophic injuries that are hot right now.

I don't feel as bad after I found out Lowry had one in college and Shumpert his rookie year and both had long careers.

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Hopefully Achilles injuries become as ho-hum as ACL tears one day. Injuries suck.

[spinedoc]

Chuma is going to be an A+ rated role player.
You can't have enough of those in the NBA these days.

This isn't a knock on Chuma, but you can have too many, when role players is all you have. At some point we need a leading man. I'm not even talking about having a star yet, but at least an interesting protagonist. We have enough of the same kind of player, what we need is a go to scorer.

Anyone we picked at 16 was projected to be some type of role player. We took the best one, and at a position we'll always need. Go-to scores are hard to find. Hopefully we already have one on the roster.

Still have FA to address needs.

Not totally correct, statistically you're probably right, but you have to at least prioritize the right skillsets. I'm talking about a dynamic wing player ala Tmac. you have to at least start off with taking a guy with handles, can dominate possession of the ball, and can facilitate. If you take a stretch four, then you have zero chance of getting that. Not to beat a dead horse, but I believe there was a group of guys to take a chance on that would have fit that bill potentially.

[spinedoc]

Also, a quick note about ACL injuries. We've come a long way with them, it used be a long time frame to come back. However, its still a significant injury and a lot can still go wrong with them. Whenever you cut on good meat, scar tissue forms in its place. It may not happen at the surgically repaired area, but it may cause weakness somewhere else. Too many are writing it off as a walk in the park. Again, much better than in the past, but its still a concern.

[pepe1991]

Also, a quick note about ACL injuries. We've come a long way with them, it used be a long time frame to come back. However, its still a significant injury and a lot can still go wrong with them. Whenever you cut on good meat, scar tissue forms in its place. It may not happen at the surgically repaired area, but it may cause weakness somewhere else. Too many are writing it off as a walk in the park. Again, much better than in the past, but its still a concern.

Indeed. Some players simply don't recover like others.
Brandon Roy had MCL tear that you can in theory fix within 6 weeks, yet one thing lead to another and guy retired at age of 27.
Same happend to Arenas.

Rose is now viewed as "success story" yet guy went from being youngest MVP in history to vets minimum player.


Oden and Bynum both were forced to retire due knee issues, both cases were "hopless" from medicine perspective, despite happening in last few years.

Chris Anderson had ACL tear and retired.
jarret Jack had ACL tear and kind a retired ( didn't play this year at all)
Tony Wrotten is out of NBA.
Exum never plays.
Brandon Knight never returned as good player.

Positive cases: Zach Lavine, Spencer Dinwiddie

[Skin]

Also, a quick note about ACL injuries. We've come a long way with them, it used be a long time frame to come back. However, its still a significant injury and a lot can still go wrong with them. Whenever you cut on good meat, scar tissue forms in its place. It may not happen at the surgically repaired area, but it may cause weakness somewhere else. Too many are writing it off as a walk in the park. Again, much better than in the past, but its still a concern.

Indeed. Some players simply don't recover like others.
Brandon Roy had MCL tear that you can in theory fix within 6 weeks, yet one thing lead to another and guy retired at age of 27.
Same happend to Arenas.

Rose is now viewed as "success story" yet guy went from being youngest MVP in history to vets minimum player.


Oden and Bynum both were forced to retire due knee issues, both cases were "hopless" from medicine perspective, despite happening in last few years.

Chris Anderson had ACL tear and retired.
jarret Jack had ACL tear and kind a retired ( didn't play this year at all)
Tony Wrotten is out of NBA.
Exum never plays.
Brandon Knight never returned as good player.

Positive cases: Zach Lavine, Spencer Dinwiddie

Roy had a degenerative cartilage problem that resulted on his movements being bone on bone.

Arenas got rich, fat and lost motivation to be great.

Rose's game was based on explosiveness since he couldn't shoot and was a low BBIQ guy.

Oden and Bynum were 7 footers with bodies that weren't meant for basketball.

Jack had a long career. It was his time.

Wroten, Exum and Knight are/were sucky NBA players who shouldn't be using injury as an excuse for their suckness.

Zach Lavine, Kyle Lowry, Gallinari, Rondo, Shaun Livingston recovered fine... and Porzingis is about to get maxed out.

Listen, we know it's never great news when someone is injured, but you haven't been unbias in your feelings about the pick, so mostly anything negative you can think of is coming out in full force in your posts so it's hard to take you seriously... it's all just premature hatred bias to fill your agenda since you think Okeke was a bad pick.

[Skin]

This isn't a knock on Chuma, but you can have too many, when role players is all you have. At some point we need a leading man. I'm not even talking about having a star yet, but at least an interesting protagonist. We have enough of the same kind of player, what we need is a go to scorer.

Anyone we picked at 16 was projected to be some type of role player. We took the best one, and at a position we'll always need. Go-to scores are hard to find. Hopefully we already have one on the roster.

Still have FA to address needs.

Not totally correct, statistically you're probably right, but you have to at least prioritize the right skillsets. I'm talking about a dynamic wing player ala Tmac. you have to at least start off with taking a guy with handles, can dominate possession of the ball, and can facilitate. If you take a stretch four, then you have zero chance of getting that. Not to beat a dead horse, but I believe there was a group of guys to take a chance on that would have fit that bill potentially.

I'm totally with you in your train of thought... guys with handles have the most potential to become great players, imo. The most dynamic athletic wing player available at 16 was Kevin Porter Jr, imo... and the dude was picked 30th. Why? Because at the same time that his upside was tantalizing, so was the fear of his inconsistencies, BBIQ, selfishness, character and bust factor. If we picked Okeke at 30, there would be no fuss. The whole fuss about him is his draft spot.

At 16, c'mon now... a wing player like T-Mac was not available for us. If you align your expectations with the draft spot producing a plus level role player or starter, then coming away with Okeke has a lot of good things going for his selection. If you wanted a star at 16, you never gave yourself a chance to come away with positive feelings in this draft.