2020 Free Agency Class

[ComboGuardCity]

I see a lot of posts about how we’re sacrificing our cap flexibility in 2020 with the Snell deal. Here are the marquee free agents of 2020:

A. Davis, LAL

K. Lowry, TOR

S, Ibaka, TOR

D. Green, GSW

J. Brown, BOS

P. Millsap, DEN

D. Favors, UTA

A. Roberson, OKC

A. Drummond, DET, option

G. Hayward, BOS, option

D. DeRozan, SA, option


This will be one of the weakest classes in memory which means cap space is worthless. No one is going to trade big pieces to create space for these guys.

This also means, Drummond will get the max somewhere so consider him opted out.

[El Chivo]

Unfortunately Drummond will get the max from his buddy Tom Gores.

[thesack12]

There is a chance that any or all of Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, and Klay Thompson plus anybody else who might sign a 1 year contract this summer could be added to that list as well.

Besides evaluating the corresponding free agent class in relation to cap space is about the narrowest scope to look through. Teams are always going to look to get better, and other teams are always going to look to cut costs. Also, you can always pocket your cap space for a rainy day down the line.

No such scenario exists where cap space is "worthless."

[LaSheed]

The only guy that Id be interested in with a realistic but yet a long shot would be VanFleet.

Y'all gonna be pissed when we resign Reggie to a 1 year extension lol.

[ComboGuardCity]

There is a chance that any or all of Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, and Klay Thompson plus anybody else who might sign a 1 year contract this summer could be added to that list as well.

Besides evaluating the corresponding free agent class in relation to cap space is about the narrowest scope to look through. Teams are always going to look to get better, and other teams are always going to look to cut costs. Also, you can always pocket your cap space for a rainy day down the line.

No such scenario exists where cap space is "worthless."

KD is not signing a 1 year deal while rehabbing an Achilles tear. Klay’s father has also said Klay is signing long term with the warriors. Kawhi is irrelevant because he’s either staying in Toronto or going to LA regardless of the length of deals.

Teams cut cost in preparation of either getting under the luxury tax or to go after marquee free agents. Those tax players are not game changers and are never high dollar players. Those marquee free agents don’t really exist in 2020. So maybe not completely worthless, but very little marginal value.

Cap space is only immensely valuable during the off season and in the 2020 off season, we’re looking at 2009 value.

[King Bugs]

Besides evaluating the corresponding free agent class in relation to cap space is about the narrowest scope to look through. Teams are always going to look to get better, and other teams are always going to look to cut costs. Also, you can always pocket your cap space for a rainy day down the line.

No such scenario exists where cap space is "worthless."

Incredibly narrow. We seriously just saw teams like Atlanta use their capspace to absorb bad contracts to get an asset and other teams trading for maxed out superstars they wouldn't be able to get under normal circumstances.

There's way more that we can do with capspace in 2020 than foolishly throwing a max contract at Jaylen Brown.

[thesack12]

There is a chance that any or all of Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, and Klay Thompson plus anybody else who might sign a 1 year contract this summer could be added to that list as well.

Besides evaluating the corresponding free agent class in relation to cap space is about the narrowest scope to look through. Teams are always going to look to get better, and other teams are always going to look to cut costs. Also, you can always pocket your cap space for a rainy day down the line.

No such scenario exists where cap space is "worthless."

KD is not signing a 1 year deal while rehabbing an Achilles tear. Klay’s father has also said Klay is signing long term with the warriors. Kawhi is irrelevant because he’s either staying in Toronto or going to LA regardless of the length of deals.

Teams cut cost in preparation of either getting under the luxury tax or to go after marquee free agents. Those tax players are not game changers and are never high dollar players. Those marquee free agents don’t really exist in 2020. So maybe not completely worthless, but very little marginal value.

Cap space is only immensely valuable during the off season and in the 2020 off season, we’re looking at 2009 value.

How do any of us know what Durant is going to do? He probably isn't playing next season, so why not take the 1 year deal with GSW and rehab with a familiar staff in familiar facilities and keep the option open of maximizing his earning potential by eventually staying in GS? Warriors do it, because you never want Durant to walk out that door + that gives them another year to be in his ear trying to convince him to stay.

The funny thing about Kawhi is this time last summer the narrative was he was definitely signing with one of the LA teams in 2019, so anybody else trading for him would just be getting a 1 year rental. Yet, look where we are now. If he was 100% dead set on Toronto or LAC, why would he even take meetings with other teams like has been reported he intends to do. He's certainly getting a max contract, so its not like he has to create a bidding war.

Same thing with Paul George. The "foregone conclusion" was George is signing with the Lakers when he hits free agency, well we all know how that played out. Hell you can't even believe what comes out of these guys' own mouths, Kyrie flat out said he will sign an extension with Boston, but that is currently looking highly unlikely.

We don't know what these guys are gonna do until they do it.

I'll give you that the smart money is on Klay to sign a long term extension with GSW. There are enough questions surrounding those other 2, that I wouldn't bet the farm on it. ...

As for the bigger topic here, cap space value, you forgot the scenarios where teams want to get a trade done but they can't line up salaries to make a trade legal. That's where a team with cap space can step in, and take a contract to get the numbers to work and be compensated for doing so.

Also, I know its hard to believe because Detroit doesn't subscribe to it but there are some teams out there that are forward thinking and have an eye on 2-3 years down the road. I can definitely see some teams looking to beat the crowd in order to dump salary early to create cap space for the potential 2021 FA class of George/Blake/Lillard/McCollum/Gobert/Beal/Drummond/Giannis/Oladipo/Tatum/Fox/Mitchell/etc

And again I will say that you can conserve cap space and save it for the right situation. Whats wrong with practicing patience when the alternative is Tony Snell + a pile of very underwhelming SRP's?

[thesack12]

Besides evaluating the corresponding free agent class in relation to cap space is about the narrowest scope to look through. Teams are always going to look to get better, and other teams are always going to look to cut costs. Also, you can always pocket your cap space for a rainy day down the line.

No such scenario exists where cap space is "worthless."

Incredibly narrow. We seriously just saw teams like Atlanta use their capspace to absorb bad contracts to get an asset and other teams trading for maxed out superstars they wouldn't be able to get under normal circumstances.

There's way more that we can do with capspace in 2020 than foolishly throwing a max contract at Jaylen Brown.

Exactly

[ComboGuardCity]

There is a chance that any or all of Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, and Klay Thompson plus anybody else who might sign a 1 year contract this summer could be added to that list as well.

Besides evaluating the corresponding free agent class in relation to cap space is about the narrowest scope to look through. Teams are always going to look to get better, and other teams are always going to look to cut costs. Also, you can always pocket your cap space for a rainy day down the line.

No such scenario exists where cap space is "worthless."

KD is not signing a 1 year deal while rehabbing an Achilles tear. Klay’s father has also said Klay is signing long term with the warriors. Kawhi is irrelevant because he’s either staying in Toronto or going to LA regardless of the length of deals.

Teams cut cost in preparation of either getting under the luxury tax or to go after marquee free agents. Those tax players are not game changers and are never high dollar players. Those marquee free agents don’t really exist in 2020. So maybe not completely worthless, but very little marginal value.

Cap space is only immensely valuable during the off season and in the 2020 off season, we’re looking at 2009 value.

How do any of us know what Durant is going to do? He probably isn't playing next season, so why not take the 1 year deal with GSW and rehab with a familiar staff in familiar facilities and keep the option open of maximizing his earning potential by eventually staying in GS? Warriors do it, because you never want Durant to walk out that door + that gives them another year to be in his ear trying to convince him to stay.

The funny thing about Kawhi is this time last summer the narrative was he was definitely signing with one of the LA teams in 2019, so anybody else trading for him would just be getting a 1 year rental. Yet, look where we are now. If he was 100% dead set on Toronto or LAC, why would he even take meetings with other teams like has been reported he intends to do. He's certainly getting a max contract, so its not like he has to create a bidding war.

Same thing with Paul George. The "foregone conclusion" was George is signing with the Lakers when he hits free agency, well we all know how that played out. Hell you can't even believe what comes out of these guys' own mouths, Kyrie flat out said he will sign an extension with Boston, but that is currently looking highly unlikely.

We don't know what these guys are gonna do until they do it.

I'll give you that the smart money is on Klay to sign a long term extension with GSW. There are enough questions surrounding those other 2, that I wouldn't bet the farm on it. ...

As for the bigger topic here, cap space value, you forgot the scenarios where teams want to get a trade done but they can't line up salaries to make a trade legal. That's where a team with cap space can step in, and take a contract to get the numbers to work and be compensated for doing so.

Also, I know its hard to believe because Detroit doesn't subscribe to it but there are some teams out there that are forward thinking and have an eye on 2-3 years down the road. I can definitely see some teams looking to beat the crowd in order to dump salary early to create cap space for the potential 2021 FA class of George/Blake/Lillard/McCollum/Gobert/Beal/Drummond/Giannis/Oladipo/Tatum/Fox/Mitchell/etc

And again I will say that you can conserve cap space and save it for the right situation. Whats wrong with practicing patience when the alternative is Tony Snell + a pile of very underwhelming SRP's?

Durant opted out meaning he’s going after more than a one year deal. So that’s one down. All that’s left is Kawhi. My point was on the 2020 free agency and you’ve taken it and expanded it to 2-3 years down the line.

[thesack12]

KD is not signing a 1 year deal while rehabbing an Achilles tear. Klay’s father has also said Klay is signing long term with the warriors. Kawhi is irrelevant because he’s either staying in Toronto or going to LA regardless of the length of deals.

Teams cut cost in preparation of either getting under the luxury tax or to go after marquee free agents. Those tax players are not game changers and are never high dollar players. Those marquee free agents don’t really exist in 2020. So maybe not completely worthless, but very little marginal value.

Cap space is only immensely valuable during the off season and in the 2020 off season, we’re looking at 2009 value.

How do any of us know what Durant is going to do? He probably isn't playing next season, so why not take the 1 year deal with GSW and rehab with a familiar staff in familiar facilities and keep the option open of maximizing his earning potential by eventually staying in GS? Warriors do it, because you never want Durant to walk out that door + that gives them another year to be in his ear trying to convince him to stay.

The funny thing about Kawhi is this time last summer the narrative was he was definitely signing with one of the LA teams in 2019, so anybody else trading for him would just be getting a 1 year rental. Yet, look where we are now. If he was 100% dead set on Toronto or LAC, why would he even take meetings with other teams like has been reported he intends to do. He's certainly getting a max contract, so its not like he has to create a bidding war.

Same thing with Paul George. The "foregone conclusion" was George is signing with the Lakers when he hits free agency, well we all know how that played out. Hell you can't even believe what comes out of these guys' own mouths, Kyrie flat out said he will sign an extension with Boston, but that is currently looking highly unlikely.

We don't know what these guys are gonna do until they do it.

I'll give you that the smart money is on Klay to sign a long term extension with GSW. There are enough questions surrounding those other 2, that I wouldn't bet the farm on it. ...

As for the bigger topic here, cap space value, you forgot the scenarios where teams want to get a trade done but they can't line up salaries to make a trade legal. That's where a team with cap space can step in, and take a contract to get the numbers to work and be compensated for doing so.

Also, I know its hard to believe because Detroit doesn't subscribe to it but there are some teams out there that are forward thinking and have an eye on 2-3 years down the road. I can definitely see some teams looking to beat the crowd in order to dump salary early to create cap space for the potential 2021 FA class of George/Blake/Lillard/McCollum/Gobert/Beal/Drummond/Giannis/Oladipo/Tatum/Fox/Mitchell/etc

And again I will say that you can conserve cap space and save it for the right situation. Whats wrong with practicing patience when the alternative is Tony Snell + a pile of very underwhelming SRP's?

Durant opted out meaning he’s going after more than a one year deal. So that’s one down. All that’s left is Kawhi. My point was on the 2020 free agency and you’ve taken it and expanded it to 2-3 years down the line.

Durant had to opt out in order to keep every option open. If he didn't opt out he wouldn't have been able to listen to other team's visions/pitches. This way he gets to gather all the info he needs. While it might not be the most likely outcome, the possibility still remains he signs a 1 year contract to rehab with GSW while keeping his supermax option and his option to leave town open when he's healthy in 2020.

Your point was capspace is "worthless" to Detroit simply because the 2020 free agent class is lackluster. My counter point was that is such a narrow minded way to view it. Cap space is always going to be a very desirable commodity in the NBA. Detroit can offer cap space to teams not just to free agent players. And again just because you have it, does not mean you have to use it immediately. Its not a bad thing to practice some forward thinking.