2019 NBA Draft

[freshie2]

Was this a historically strong draft where lottery potential players somehow drifted into the second round?

Are the Sixers going to have fewer first and second year players than last year...and is that a bad thing??

Cant they get similarly rated players in round 2 if the 2020 draft if they feel a void has been created??

This is a lot if energy on a very low energy topic.

[tsmith]

The front office must have serious faith in Bolden to make significant steps, if he does it could be a massive needle mover for us.

[Sixerscan]

No my purpose of that trade was there's no magical limit of players on a roster who are younger than 25. Preventing yourself from signing a potential future asset just to get an old squad sounds dumb to me. I'd rather have Carsen Edwards on this roster than yet another washed up vet like Amir Johnson.

Also I was listing young guys who actually got playing time. Raptors have roster spots for OG Anunoby, Malcolm Miller and Chris Boucher as well. The latter two both undrafted guys who were developed by their G-League affiliate and closely monitored by the Raptors themselves. That's the kind of environment that ensures you a consistent influx of cheap talent instead of these short sighted moves we make.

Miller and Boucher are 26 years old... The Raptors had 5 guys over 25 years old on minimum contracts on their playoff roster. Conversely they have 2 guys under 25 on their team (OG and McCaw).

Really OG is the only actual “developing” guy on that roster right now. If you’re counting Siakam or Brogdon you may as well count Ben Simmons and Embiid.

Theres no “magic number” but when Brand says they have enough young players that they feel comfortable with it does seem in line with what other contending teams are doing.

But developmental guys nonetheless right? So what is the issue, is it pure the age or should it be a veteran? Because none of those guys are veterans by any means.

I get what you and many others are trying to say, but I just don't get why trading the #42 pick for cash is ok when you can draft a THT and stash him in the G-League for two years. Especially since we have many open roster spots. Is that toxic for a locker room? Is the training staff not big enough?

I would call them cheap labor that fills out the roster while allowing the luxury tax to be a little lower because they don’t qualify for the vet minimum. Rockets did similar stuff this year. Brand may sign similar players during the season, who knows.

Again, is practically every other contending team in the league’s training staff not big enough either? Because they apparently don’t have room for more developing guys than the Sixers.

I wish they could have gotten more for 42 than avoiding having to stretch Simmons over 3 years and cash, that’s what they got offered apparently. Other teams like the Bucks and Rockets don’t get offered that because they don’t even bother acquiring the 4 2nd round picks in the first place. The Sixers clearly value 2nd round picks (they have 4 again next year) they just use them in different ways because they have a bunch.

Like freshie said, just seems like a lot of energy around the ‘net on a low energy topic.

[Kolkmania]

I would call them cheap labor that fills out the roster while allowing the luxury tax to be a little lower because they don’t qualify for the vet minimum. Brand may sign similar players during the season, who knows.

Again, is practically every other contending team in the league’s training staff not big enough either? Because they apparently don’t have room for more developing guys than the Sixers.

I wish they could have gotten more for 42 than avoiding having to stretch Simmons over 3 years and cash, that’s what they got offered apparently. Other teams like the Bucks and Rockets don’t get offered that because they don’t even bother acquiring the 4 2nd round picks in the first place. The Sixers clearly value 2nd round picks (they have 4 again next year) they just use them in different ways because they have a bunch.

Like freshie said, just seems like a lot of energy around the ‘net on a low energy topic.

Tbh, it wouldn't surprise me if Boucher cracks the roster next year, however that's an early prediction.

I think you're right with the distinction between us and the other teams. We have second round picks, which stem from our rebuilding phase. The Warriors, Rockets and Raptors are in their last stint of their contention window and have therefore endured several years of optimizing a roster instead of having a long term view.

We have rushed our process in such a way that many of the second round picks we have acquired in previous years coincide with our current status. In my opinion that's not a burden, it's an opportunity to sustain a young talent level.

One or two single second round picks might seem as a topic not worth any time, but it's been what, 5-7 high(!) second round picks we've squandered in the last couple of years?

2017: Anžejs Pasečņiks (future late 1st round pick/ 2 2nd round picks), selling 39th and 46th picks.
2018: Trevor Booker (31st pick)
2019: Overpaying Thybulle (33rd pick), selling 42nd pick.

Since we're comparing, which other franchises do these kind of moves? It's the Chicago Bulls type of franchises who throw away valuable 2nd rounders like us.

[LloydFree]

I would call them cheap labor that fills out the roster while allowing the luxury tax to be a little lower because they don’t qualify for the vet minimum. Brand may sign similar players during the season, who knows.

Again, is practically every other contending team in the league’s training staff not big enough either? Because they apparently don’t have room for more developing guys than the Sixers.

I wish they could have gotten more for 42 than avoiding having to stretch Simmons over 3 years and cash, that’s what they got offered apparently. Other teams like the Bucks and Rockets don’t get offered that because they don’t even bother acquiring the 4 2nd round picks in the first place. The Sixers clearly value 2nd round picks (they have 4 again next year) they just use them in different ways because they have a bunch.

Like freshie said, just seems like a lot of energy around the ‘net on a low energy topic.

Tbh, it wouldn't surprise me if Boucher cracks the roster next year, however that's an early prediction.

I think you're right with the distinction between us and the other teams. We have second round picks, which stem from our rebuilding phase. The Warriors, Rockets and Raptors are in their last stint of their contention window and have therefore endured several years of optimizing a roster instead of having a long term view.

We have rushed our process in such a way that many of the second round picks we have acquired in previous years coincide with our current status. In my opinion that's not a burden, it's an opportunity to sustain a young talent level.

One or two single second round picks might seem as a topic not worth any time, but it's been what, 5-7 high(!) second round picks we've squandered in the last couple of years?

2017: Anžejs Pasečņiks (future late 1st round pick/ 2 2nd round picks), selling 39th and 46th picks.
2018: Trevor Booker (31st pick)
2019: Overpaying Thybulle (33rd pick), selling 42nd pick.

Since we're comparing, which other franchises do these kind of moves? It's the Chicago Bulls type of franchises who throw away valuable 2nd rounders like us.

In order for the 76ers to have multiple valuable 2nd round picks, multiple franchises had to trade us those valuable 2nd round picks.

[smittybanton]

Unsolicited suggestion: Each year I choose a player who I think the Sixers should've drafted as a member of my Shadow Sixers team. I got the idea from baseball analyst, John Sickels, who tracks his Shadow Minnesota Twins--because he realizes there's a difference between casting a wide net and identifying lots of good prospects versus putting all your dough on one in the draft.

In '15, I predicted the Sixers would take Porzingis over D.Russell at 3, but of course russell unexpectedly went 2 and the rest is history.
Yet I advocated for trading down for Justise Winslow. In '16, I desperately wanted Dejounte Murray with either 24 or 26. In '17, i wanted to trade the 3 to the kings for 5 & 10 for Dennis Smith Jr and Bam Adebayo. And last year, I badly wanted Mitchell Robinson and nearly died when we took Landry Shamet, and then again when we sold/traded picks instead of trading up with all of our seconds for Robinson after he slipped into the 2nd. This year I was gaga over Gafford.

Dejounte Murray, Dennis Smith Jr., Justise Winslow, Mitchell Robinson, Daniel Gafford.

Just think it would be cool for some of the posters here to do, considering the hard feelings this year.

[Kolkmania]

In order for the 76ers to have multiple valuable 2nd round picks, multiple franchises had to trade us those valuable 2nd round picks.

I'm not saying you should keep 2nd round picks, if you can trade them for a fair offer, fine. I have no problems with our trade of the 34th pick for example.

We obtained these picks from Orlando (originally Cleveland), Lakers (originally Bulls) and the Billy King-led Nets (originally Wizards). Not the most well-run franchises in the league I would say.

[MambaJuice]

Unsolicited suggestion: Each year I choose a player who I think the Sixers should've drafted as a member of my Shadow Sixers team. I got the idea from baseball analyst, John Sickels, who tracks his Shadow Minnesota Twins--because he realizes there's a difference between casting a wide net and identifying lots of good prospects versus putting all your dough on one in the draft.

In '15, I predicted the Sixers would take Porzingis over D.Russell at 3, but of course russell unexpectedly went 2 and the rest is history.
Yet I advocated for trading down for Justise Winslow. In '16, I desperately wanted Dejounte Murray with either 24 or 26. In '17, i wanted to trade the 3 to the kings for 5 & 10 for Dennis Smith Jr and Bam Adebayo. And last year, I badly wanted Mitchell Robinson and nearly died when we took Landry Shamet, and then again when we sold/traded picks instead of trading up with all of our seconds for Robinson after he slipped into the 2nd. This year I was gaga over Gafford.

Dejounte Murray, Dennis Smith Jr., Justise Winslow, Mitchell Robinson, Daniel Gafford.

Just think it would be cool for some of the posters here to do, considering the hard feelings this year.

I'll bite on this Shadow Sixers idea.

Back in '15, I wanted D. Russell at 3 but he was gone so I was fine with Okafor (not off to a good start, but he's off the team anyway). '16 didn't scout past #1. '17 I wanted to trade back with Sac for 5 and 10 to take Malik Monk and OG Anunoby (over Donovan Mitchell, ugh). '18 I was banging the drum for Miles Bridges (over SGA, ugh) and wanted Huerter or Anfernee Simons to fall to 26, would have settled for Melvin Frazier. This year I wanted NAW but would settle for Kevin Porter Jr. if he slipped. I also wanted Windler or Kagengele pretty bad (both gone by pick 34) but I also wanted Louis King or Gafford (wanted to use at least 3 picks).

So based on that and who was available when we were picking/what I would have done with the picks, my Shadow Sixers are:

Malik Monk, OG Anunoby, Miles Bridges, Melvin Frazier, Kevin Porter Jr., Daniel Gafford, Louis King

[PhillyFan11]

Sounds fun:
2015- I remember not liking Russell or Okafor
and being on the Super Mario hype train
2016- I was actually pretty anti Ben at the time and very high on Jamaal murray
2017- Tatum, Markkenan and Fox were all my favorites. Perfect world we could have gotten 2
2018- Didnt have any real favorite that lasted but was very high on Lonnie walker

Fox, Murray, Mitchell would be really nice to have with Jo...of course there’s a lot of hindsight there and no guarantee Sac was going to trade up. Also a lot easier to take a lower ranked prospect when youre typing it on a message board and your job isn’t on the line for a wrong pick...

[Stanford]

My shadow team has Matisse Thybulle and Zhaire Smith.

[Negrodamus]

The front office must have serious faith in Bolden to make significant steps, if he does it could be a massive needle mover for us.

Yea, I'm somewhat concerned about our commitment to him. His shooting is erratic to say the least. He is a skilled enough big to make smart passes and he's agile/long enough to make steals, but he can't really play center well. Hopefully he's hitting the weights this offseason and working on that form. The pieces are all there for him.

[Sixerfever216]

Drafting is a complete guess in the NBA your drafting players after 1 year of college there game hasn't Developed. Also your expecting a young player who has gotten by on talent his whole life to dedicate himself to basketball. That's why it's so many guys in the NBA that never reach there potential they already made it.

I think your starting to see a trend in the Draft that GMs are picking shooters over guys with higher potential. That's exactly why Cam Johnson goes 11 Dylan Windler and Kyle Guy all moved in the draft. A guys like Nasir Little Bol Bol and Kevin Porter jr all slid in the draft. I think it's impossible to determine what Bol Bol Nasir Little Or Kevin Porter can be you can project a high ceilings for them but it really comes down to how much they want it. I think character is underated when drafting these young players. That's why I think Thybulle will be better then those 3 high potential kids seems like a humble low-key kid that will work hard

[Negrodamus]

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Hmmm....

[LloydFree]

Unsolicited suggestion: Each year I choose a player who I think the Sixers should've drafted as a member of my Shadow Sixers team. I got the idea from baseball analyst, John Sickels, who tracks his Shadow Minnesota Twins--because he realizes there's a difference between casting a wide net and identifying lots of good prospects versus putting all your dough on one in the draft.

Spoiler:

In '15, I predicted the Sixers would take Porzingis over D.Russell at 3, but of course russell unexpectedly went 2 and the rest is history.
Yet I advocated for trading down for Justise Winslow. In '16, I desperately wanted Dejounte Murray with either 24 or 26. In '17, i wanted to trade the 3 to the kings for 5 & 10 for Dennis Smith Jr and Bam Adebayo. And last year, I badly wanted Mitchell Robinson and nearly died when we took Landry Shamet, and then again when we sold/traded picks instead of trading up with all of our seconds for Robinson after he slipped into the 2nd. This year I was gaga over Gafford.

Dejounte Murray, Dennis Smith Jr., Justise Winslow, Mitchell Robinson, Daniel Gafford.

Just think it would be cool for some of the posters here to do, considering the hard feelings this year.

2019: Nassir Little (Thybulle)
2018: Miles Bridges (Mikal Bridges)
2017: Josh Jackson (traded up for Markelle Fultz)
2016: Ben Simmons (Ben Simmons)
2015: Emanuel Mudiay (Jahlil Okafor)
2014: Joel Embiid and Jerami Grant (Joel Embiid and Saric)
2013: Nerlens Noel and Dennis Schroeder ( Noel and Carter-Williams)
2012: Royce White (Mo Harkless)
2011: Kenneth Faried (Nic Vucevic)
2010: DeMarcus Cousins (Evan Turner)
2009: Ty Lawson (Jrue Holiday)
2008: Roy Hibbert (Maurice Speights)
2007: Thad Young (Thad Young)
2006: Rajon Rondo (Thabo Sefalosha)
2005: No pick
2004: JR Smith (Andre Iguodala)
2003: No pick
2002: Tayshaun Prince (Jiri Welsh)
2001: Samuel Dalembert (Samuel Dalembert)
2000: Michael Redd (Speedy Claxton)

[PhilasFinest]

The front office must have serious faith in Bolden to make significant steps, if he does it could be a massive needle mover for us.

Yea, I'm somewhat concerned about our commitment to him. His shooting is erratic to say the least. He is a skilled enough big to make smart passes and he's agile/long enough to make steals, but he can't really play center well. Hopefully he's hitting the weights this offseason and working on that form. The pieces are all there for him.

The game needs to slow down for Bolden, that is my main take away from him and something that seems to hinder a TON of young bigs, so its kind of expected for a rookie big.He is extremely anxious on Defense and bites on a ton of things due to him trying to get his hands on every ball, whether it be a steal or block.

If he can get a little stronger, continue to refine his jump shot and simply just keep his feet on the floor and slow down (which tends to come with experience and time).....I think he can be a solid hybrid 5/4 off the bench, especially if that shot becomes more consistent (35% on almost 100 attempts for a big isn't all that bad).

Still think we need a more traditional veteran 5 man that rebounds and defends off the bench....which would allow you to use Bolden at both the 4 and 5 spots depending on matchups. Bolden is a pretty unique athlete with his blend of size, length and athleticism and is certainly worth developing IMO...I think he can be a 4/5 version of Jerami Grant.

[Negrodamus]

The DeMarcus Cousins vs Evan Turner discussions on here were pretty epic and heated.

[stormi]

2019: Chuma Okeke (Thybulle)
2018: Kevin Knox / Lonny Walker / Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Mikal Bridges)
2017: Josh Jackson (traded up for Markelle Fultz)
2016: Ben Simmons (Ben Simmons)
2015: D'Angelo Russell (Jahlil Okafor)
2014: Joel Embiid and Marcus Smart (Joel Embiid and Saric)

this isn't who they should have drafted. more, who i wanted pre-draft regardless if they ended up being available or not

[youngcrev]

The DeMarcus Cousins vs Evan Turner discussions on here were pretty epic and heated.

Wasn't Favors in that discussion as well?

[LloydFree]

The DeMarcus Cousins vs Evan Turner discussions on here were pretty epic and heated.

It's heated every year. People were angry that we didn't take Dante Exum or Julius Randall over Joel Embiid

[Negrodamus]

The DeMarcus Cousins vs Evan Turner discussions on here were pretty epic and heated.

It's heated every year. People were angry that we didn't take Dante Exum or Julius Randall over Joel Embiid

I think the Embiid and Simmons drafts really shaped the way I approach the draft, especially with Wiggins being such garbage.