Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread

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The f***** Wizards have caused a serious case of PTSD among their fanbase. I'm not even mad at pif.

What can I do to help you get over that?

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....I really think Vonleh is the guy to target. He is a defense/rebounder grunt whose offense is gravy. We need a guy like that in the front court since Hachimura looks like he'll be a step behind on defense for a while as he develops, and Bryant is at best an average defender, not a mistake eraser. Vonleh has shown a lot of improvement as a pro, steadily increasing his assists, steals and blocks and 2P% over his first 4 years. His 3P% is in the 30-33% range which isn't quite good enough to be an effective spacer, but his shot doesn't look broken. Maybe he'll get better. He's a plus defender and has had a positive on/off differential in the past 2 seasons. ESPN's real plus-minus ranks him as the 11th best defensive PF among guys who play 20 or more minutes. That's real impressive for a 23 year old. Vonleh also has the size and length to shift over to C if necessary. The guy measured 6'-9.5" with a 7'-4" wingspan and a 9'-0" standing reach.

I don't think New York will retain him because they will either go all-in on max free agents this year, or they'll lock up Durant and sign 1-year contracts in order to go after a max free agent next year. Vonleh is therefore the most obtainable competent PF who is also still very young.

Lock him up for 3-4 years. He's earned a sizable raise; give it to him.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I for one am a PIFist.

With all the good folks, great reads and seriously looney hoop heads who’ve migrated off this board, I hope to heck that PIF stays true to his brilliant, curmudgeonly self.

Keep doing you my friend.

[gambitx777]

I've come to terms with the fact that I am going to drink and whore my way to an early grave well before the Wizards ever win another ring. So at the very least it won't be all bad since I'll have piff to keep me in line while we watch the train wreck lol.

The f***** Wizards have caused a serious case of PTSD among their fanbase. I'm not even mad at pif.

What can I do to help you get over that?

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I for one am a PIFist.

With all the good folks, great reads and seriously looney hoop heads who’ve migrated off this board, I hope to heck that PIF stays true to his brilliant, curmudgeonly self.

Keep doing you my friend.

Oh shut up!

(thanks lsb! )

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I've come to terms with the fact that I am going to drink and whore my way to an early grave well before the Wizards ever win another ring. So at the very least it won't be all bad since I'll have piff to keep me in line while we watch the train wreck lol.

I hate having to be serious, but... please don't.

After all, you can live a long, chaste & temperate life, & the Wizards still won't win another ring in your time!

So... take a deep breath, straighten just a few things out, find someone willing to love you -- & love that person. Not much you can do better than that.

I'm 76, & whatever you can think of I've done it -- more than once. More than once too many times, for that matter. & the above is pretty much the sum of what I've learned.

Not joking, Gambit; & yes you can do it.

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I’ve been on board for Vonleh for a while. So that’s a yes vote for me.

Same... but I doubt it. He is really a C, not a PF. So we dont have the positional need and I think NYK strikes out on the 2nd star and probably brings Vonleh back.

I bring back Sato & Bryant, offer QO to Portis but expect him to leave.
I offer the full MLE to Lamb and try to bring back Parker for 10M> per...or Jeff Green if that fails

Sato / Robinson / (WALL)
Beal / Brown
Lamb / Brown / Admiral
Rui / Green / Admiral
Bryant / Howard / Ian

*** Look to trade Howard if hes healthy

I think you could give him spot mins at the 4, maybe like 12 mins a game and then the rest at center split with Bryant in some capacity. He was horrible from 3 pt last year and with Bryant being a competent floor spacer vonleh and Bryant might work in the half court, possibly defense too... I still wonder if he will get priced too high for us though.

He also might benefit in playing with Beal and Sato, who are both probably better playmakers then anyone on the knicks roster.

He wasn't very good on 3's last year -- but not bad enough to be called "terrible" -- 33.6% on 3+ per 40 minutes. But maybe you meant "wasn't" rather than "was." For sure he'll get a raise, but... he might actually be worth what he gets paid!

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At PF some UFA options include Holmes, Muscala, Looney. I'd love to get Holmes !

I can see Ariza (former Laker) and Green (former teammate of LeBron) both signing with the Lakers as they make a push for Championship.

Holmes -- absolutely! & I don't think he'll cost very much at all. Looney -- even better: but GS will keep him I think.

I just looked at their numbers, & these 2 guys are surprisingly similar overall -- with Holmes having the edge as a scorer & Looney the edge on most other stuff.

I liked Looney a lot in the '15 draft (CCJ & I both wanted to pick him). I liked Holmes a lot as well. (OTOH, I also liked Jordan Mickey, & I whiffed on Montrezl Harrell).

Holmes was arrested in Miami last month on a misdemeanor dope charge (had a lit joint in his car ashtray). That'll help make him available cheap!

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As to backup PG, I wonder what T.J. McConnell will command as a FA. He's an effective player. Grab him if he's available cheap.

[Rafael122]

Saw tweets last night about how Boston might play the role of the Nets this year and give a guy some monster contract that their team can't match. Bryant and Sato were mentioned. I'm fine with letting Sato go, especially if it gets too crazy. Bryant can get a Tyler Johnson esque extension where he gets paid something like $18 mil in the 3rd year. I'm fine with that. The contract averages out in the end, and between now and 2020-2021, the cap will be up $12 million so the hit can be absorbed. That's also why I'm not all too concerned about the Wall contract. The cap's going to go up.

[80sballboy]

Here is Chase Hughes' list of potential FA guards for the Wiz (affordable ones)
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/5-guards-wizards-could-target-nba-free-agency-including-quinn-cook-and-patrick-beverley

[nate33]

Saw tweets last night about how Boston might play the role of the Nets this year and give a guy some monster contract that their team can't match. Bryant and Sato were mentioned. I'm fine with letting Sato go, especially if it gets too crazy. Bryant can get a Tyler Johnson esque extension where he gets paid something like $18 mil in the 3rd year. I'm fine with that. The contract averages out in the end, and between now and 2020-2021, the cap will be up $12 million so the hit can be absorbed. That's also why I'm not all too concerned about the Wall contract. The cap's going to go up.

I like Bryant, but I don't think he is worth a monster contract given the glut of bigs these days. I also find it hard to believe that Boston went through all that work to generate cap room in order to throw an offer at Bryant so large that the Wizards would be unwilling to match. If someone offers more than $11M a year, I'd let him go and go sign a guy like Willie Cauley Stein.

[mhd]

Nate,

Assuming Portis signs somewhere else, do you think its possible the Wiz do a sign & trade to get something of value back? Is it even feasible?

[gambitx777]

I was using a little dark comedy there but this is stone cold evidence that piff care. Aka he would miss my bat shot trade ideas if I wasn't around

I've come to terms with the fact that I am going to drink and whore my way to an early grave well before the Wizards ever win another ring. So at the very least it won't be all bad since I'll have piff to keep me in line while we watch the train wreck lol.

I hate having to be serious, but... please don't.

After all, you can live a long, chaste & temperate life, & the Wizards still won't win another ring in your time!

So... take a deep breath, straighten just a few things out, find someone willing to love you -- & love that person. Not much you can do better than that.

I'm 76, & whatever you can think of I've done it -- more than once. More than once too many times, for that matter. & the above is pretty much the sum of what I've learned.

Not joking, Gambit; & yes you can do it.

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[Rafael122]

Here is Chase Hughes' list of potential FA guards for the Wiz (affordable ones)
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/5-guards-wizards-could-target-nba-free-agency-including-quinn-cook-and-patrick-beverley

This is where the local beat isn't on par with the national landscape. There is a **** ton of money available, Bev isn't coming here for $6 million a year. He's probably getting $12 mil+. Maybe from Chicago, maybe from Dallas, maybe from the Clippers. He's going to get paid.

Cook/Durant is rumored to be a package deal. Rondo makes some sense, but he's awful defensively.

[nate33]

Nate,

Assuming Portis signs somewhere else, do you think its possible the Wiz do a sign & trade to get something of value back? Is it even feasible?

Sign-and-trades don't really happen anymore. It used to be that by doing a sign-and-trade, you could pay the player more money (7.5% raises instead of 4.5% raises) and a longer contract (5 years instead of 4) but they eliminated that advantage. There is no longer any reason for a player to agree to a sign-and-trade unless it gets them to a specific destination of their preference.

You have to think about the motivations for a sign-and-trade. First of all, any team can sign him with the MLE without giving up anything of value, so why give the Wizards anything? The only teams who would be motivated to sign-and-trade for him are teams that lack an MLE exception to sign him, or a team that needs to pay him more than the MLE to outbid other MLE suitors. But if it's a sign and trade for a team lacking cap room, they have to send ballast back in a trade, and why would the Wizards take on a filler contract in return unless their heavily incentivized to do so (like a 1st round pick). And who wants to give up a first round pick for the pleasure of signing Portis to a greater-than-MLE contract?

The only scenario I see a sign-and-trade making any sense is if a team wants him for more than the MLE and they have a Trade Exception large enough (i.e. larger than the MLE) to trade for him. The Wizards could then trade him to that team for the Trade Exception and modest incentive (presumably a mid-to-late 2nd round pick). Trade Exceptions larger than the MLE are pretty rare though.

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I was using a little dark comedy there but this is stone cold evidence that piff care. Aka he would miss my bat shot trade ideas if I wasn't around

I've come to terms with the fact that I am going to drink and whore my way to an early grave well before the Wizards ever win another ring. So at the very least it won't be all bad since I'll have piff to keep me in line while we watch the train wreck lol.

I hate having to be serious, but... please don't.

After all, you can live a long, chaste & temperate life, & the Wizards still won't win another ring in your time!

So... take a deep breath, straighten just a few things out, find someone willing to love you -- & love that person. Not much you can do better than that.

I'm 76, & whatever you can think of I've done it -- more than once. More than once too many times, for that matter. & the above is pretty much the sum of what I've learned.

Not joking, Gambit; & yes you can do it.

Gotta nip this trend in the bud here!!! If people keep saying nice things about me, my head's going to swell. I'm liable to start posting about WP48, & so forth. Drive Dat nuts like I used to.

Where's CCJ when I need him -- hey Ken get over here! -- people like to say nice stuff about him, that should get the light offa me!

[TunaFish]

Nate,

Assuming Portis signs somewhere else, do you think its possible the Wiz do a sign & trade to get something of value back? Is it even feasible?

Sign-and-trades don't really happen anymore...... Trade Exceptions larger than the MLE are pretty rare though.

For a week in July before they expire, Denver has 3 of them. You are right about sign and trades these days so who knows.

[Rafael122]

Listening to Fred Katz' podcast, he said sources close to the Athletic expect Bryant's camp to ask for about $10 mil per.

[nate33]

Listening to Fred Katz' podcast, he said sources close to the Athletic expect Bryant's camp to ask for about $10 mil per.

I think it's a reasonable ask. I would hope that the Wizards can negotiate that down to about $8M.