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I see three paths for the Wolves at PG. First, keep Teague and re-sign Jones. That is not a particularly attractive option, but it basically pushes the need for a significant PG move until next year. The second option is to go hard after Russell. The ideal scenario would be a sign-and-trade with Teague going to a third team. This is my favorite option since it would leave the Wolves with the most flexibility in terms of exemptions and re-signing their own free agents. The last option is to trade Teague, re-sign Jones, and try to find a low cost option to fill out the PG rotation. Hopefully the team doesn't go this route since it doesn't put the Wolves in a great position to win.
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wolves_89 wrote:I see three paths for the Wolves at PG. First, keep Teague and re-sign Jones. That is not a particularly attractive option, but it basically pushes the need for a significant PG move until next year. The second option is to go hard after Russell. The ideal scenario would be a sign-and-trade with Teague going to a third team. This is my favorite option since it would leave the Wolves with the most flexibility in terms of exemptions and re-signing their own free agents. The last option is to trade Teague, re-sign Jones, and try to find a low cost option to fill out the PG rotation. Hopefully the team doesn't go this route since it doesn't put the Wolves in a great position to win.
Boy...if we go into the season with Tyus and a re-tread PG, we're in for a long season. I'm still not optimistic on our chances to land Dlo but I agree with you (and others) that he would be a very nice addition and would go a long ways in keeping KAT happy.
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As shrink has suggested we might be able to trade for superstar in the middle of the season. Who knows, it is always possible that another Butler drama happens. This year BOS, HOU, MIN, WAS, NOP were in such situations. We need be prepared for every possible scenario.
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I wonder how much we can improve simply by having PGs who are constantly attacking the basket. Or better, all 5 players attacking. From 3pt or cut, postup, high percentage layups. We need to go from heavy ISO basket to this aggressive, high motion offense. We saw many times a stagnant, slow pace offense, with no corner 3s, no cuts, no above the break 3s, no pull up 3s, overdribbling etc.
When I watched HOU games it like robots playing basketball, Harden ISO, 3s, alleyoop, corner 3s, layup, FTs. Almost no long mid-range shots. Aggressive defense. This is digital basketball that built Morey. I eager to see what Rosas has lear from him.
When I watched HOU games it like robots playing basketball, Harden ISO, 3s, alleyoop, corner 3s, layup, FTs. Almost no long mid-range shots. Aggressive defense. This is digital basketball that built Morey. I eager to see what Rosas has lear from him.
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minimus wrote:As shrink has suggested we might be able to trade for superstar in the middle of the season. Who knows, it is always possible that another Butler drama happens. This year BOS, HOU, MIN, WAS, NOP were in such situations. We need be prepared for every possible scenario.
I think we could get Jrue Holiday through trade but I'd hate to give up Culver
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Option 4 & 5 don't re-sign Tyus, get a stop gap either trade Teauge or let him expire.wolves_89 wrote:I see three paths for the Wolves at PG. First, keep Teague and re-sign Jones. That is not a particularly attractive option, but it basically pushes the need for a significant PG move until next year. The second option is to go hard after Russell. The ideal scenario would be a sign-and-trade with Teague going to a third team. This is my favorite option since it would leave the Wolves with the most flexibility in terms of exemptions and re-signing their own free agents. The last option is to trade Teague, re-sign Jones, and try to find a low cost option to fill out the PG rotation. Hopefully the team doesn't go this route since it doesn't put the Wolves in a great position to win.
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Kris Dunn's value has pretty much bottomed out in Chicago. Cheap backup option off the bench who can defend. I still think he's going to be a solid backup in the league. This is if we decide to start Tyus at the point.
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Wiggins and Culver both need playing time. I think that the only solution is to move Teague to bench where his experience might be very helpful to stabilize bench unit scoring. Make Culver full-time ballhandler to speed up his development. I really like Nowell as our comboguard prospect at PG as well. Really wish that we could keep Tyrone Wallace on multiyear deal, similar to Reid, Nowell. But I believe it is not realistic.
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Outside any in-season move for Russell, we will play it out and move on a PG next year. We have plenty of other issues to address around the current roster, not only with the rookies, but how the added FA's will fit. Far and away, we need to solidify this defense and develop some player accountability. As far as the offense, all I ask is we move the ball effectively and avoid the 1 or 2-pass isolation drill.
PG itself, Teague is a decent 3pt shooter and needs to be more willing/ready ... 4-5 per game. Too often he has passed up open 3's. Right now, we just don't have that prolific scorer who is gonna scare anyone going one-on-one so we have to take open 3's when we get them, and otherwise, move the ball. I think Nowell and Culver will help this, but we cannot expect them to be ball-dominant by any stretch.
PG itself, Teague is a decent 3pt shooter and needs to be more willing/ready ... 4-5 per game. Too often he has passed up open 3's. Right now, we just don't have that prolific scorer who is gonna scare anyone going one-on-one so we have to take open 3's when we get them, and otherwise, move the ball. I think Nowell and Culver will help this, but we cannot expect them to be ball-dominant by any stretch.
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Dewey wrote:Outside any in-season move for Russell, we will play it out and move on a PG next year. We have plenty of other issues to address around the current roster, not only with the rookies, but how the added FA's will fit. Far and away, we need to solidify this defense and develop some player accountability. As far as the offense, all I ask is we move the ball effectively and avoid the 1 or 2-pass isolation drill.
PG itself, Teague is a decent 3pt shooter and needs to be more willing/ready ... 4-5 per game. Too often he has passed up open 3's. Right now, we just don't have that prolific scorer who is gonna scare anyone going one-on-one so we have to take open 3's when we get them, and otherwise, move the ball. I think Nowell and Culver will help this, but we cannot expect them to be ball-dominant by any stretch.
I am really hoping to see us to be better defensively than last year. Better rebounding team. Starting from PG position by adding some size with Wiggins at SG and some minutes of Culver at PG, instead of Teague/Rose/Tyus undersized backcourt. Then RoCo should return as defensive monster at SF, he also will be happy to shoot as many open 3s as he can get. With size advantage at SF and KAT scoring at will against opponent bigmen RoCo should have plenty of opportunities. Better PnR defense under Vanterpool, boxing out and slowing down rolling bigman, not allowing easy shots around rim. I really wish we could keep Wallace, he can give opponent best ballhandler some hard minutes. Better transition defense with Bell and Vonleh leading.
P.S. Even Shabazz Napier got some attention during 2017-0218 season as high IQ, high effort defender.
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wolves_89 wrote:I see three paths for the Wolves at PG.
First, keep Teague and re-sign Jones. That is not a particularly attractive option, but it basically pushes the need for a significant PG move until next year.
The second option is to go hard after Russell.
The last option is to trade Teague, re-sign Jones, and try to find a low cost option to fill out the PG rotation.
Hmmm. We wiffed on those three. Crossing fingers for option 4. Although maybe your last option is partly what they have done so far. Aside from retaining Jones. But it was maybe good to let Jones go if they weren't ever going to give him a starters chance.
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Jedzz wrote:wolves_89 wrote:I see three paths for the Wolves at PG.
First, keep Teague and re-sign Jones. That is not a particularly attractive option, but it basically pushes the need for a significant PG move until next year.
The second option is to go hard after Russell.
The last option is to trade Teague, re-sign Jones, and try to find a low cost option to fill out the PG rotation.
Hmmm. We wiffed on those three. Crossing fingers for option 4. Although maybe your last option is partly what they have done so far. Aside from retaining Jones. But it was maybe good to let Jones go if they weren't ever going to give him a starters chance.
I'm extremely pessimistic on the Wolves PG position for the coming season. I can see a scenario where the rest of the team is looking pretty good, but the PG play keeps the team from winning in way too many games. I fear we'll see a continued decline in production from Teague to the point where it's obvious he isn't a starting caliber player anymore (plus I expect him to miss 20+ games again). While Napier looks like a solid backup, I don't see him being the best PG on a playoff team. Beyond that the Wolves have almost nothing in terms of NBA level PG depth.
In terms of the future, there isn't a PG on the roster I expect to be around for the 2020-21 season.
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wolves_89 wrote:Jedzz wrote:wolves_89 wrote:I see three paths for the Wolves at PG.
First, keep Teague and re-sign Jones. That is not a particularly attractive option, but it basically pushes the need for a significant PG move until next year.
The second option is to go hard after Russell.
The last option is to trade Teague, re-sign Jones, and try to find a low cost option to fill out the PG rotation.
Hmmm. We wiffed on those three. Crossing fingers for option 4. Although maybe your last option is partly what they have done so far. Aside from retaining Jones. But it was maybe good to let Jones go if they weren't ever going to give him a starters chance.
I'm extremely pessimistic on the Wolves PG position for the coming season. I can see a scenario where the rest of the team is looking pretty good, but the PG play keeps the team from winning in way too many games. I fear we'll see a continued decline in production from Teague to the point where it's obvious he isn't a starting caliber player anymore (plus I expect him to miss 20+ games again). While Napier looks like a solid backup, I don't see him being the best PG on a playoff team. Beyond that the Wolves have almost nothing in terms of NBA level PG depth.
In terms of the future, there isn't a PG on the roster I expect to be around for the 2020-21 season.
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wesleyt95 wrote:wolves_89 wrote:Jedzz wrote:
Hmmm. We wiffed on those three. Crossing fingers for option 4. Although maybe your last option is partly what they have done so far. Aside from retaining Jones. But it was maybe good to let Jones go if they weren't ever going to give him a starters chance.
I'm extremely pessimistic on the Wolves PG position for the coming season. I can see a scenario where the rest of the team is looking pretty good, but the PG play keeps the team from winning in way too many games. I fear we'll see a continued decline in production from Teague to the point where it's obvious he isn't a starting caliber player anymore (plus I expect him to miss 20+ games again). While Napier looks like a solid backup, I don't see him being the best PG on a playoff team. Beyond that the Wolves have almost nothing in terms of NBA level PG depth.
In terms of the future, there isn't a PG on the roster I expect to be around for the 2020-21 season.
Point Culver
IMO this hypothesis we need to check first. Point Culver might answer many of our needs, it would help to find minutes for Wiggins and Okogie at SG, it would help Nowell to play as scorer as he did in students. It would gives us size and versatility. However, decision making is the hardest thing to learn, while Culver has lot of qualities to succeed as primary ballhandler, he needs time to learn from mistakes. And even in the best scenario it won't happen next season. This season, at least first half, Teague, Napier will be our main options at PG.
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minimus wrote:wesleyt95 wrote:wolves_89 wrote:
I'm extremely pessimistic on the Wolves PG position for the coming season. I can see a scenario where the rest of the team is looking pretty good, but the PG play keeps the team from winning in way too many games. I fear we'll see a continued decline in production from Teague to the point where it's obvious he isn't a starting caliber player anymore (plus I expect him to miss 20+ games again). While Napier looks like a solid backup, I don't see him being the best PG on a playoff team. Beyond that the Wolves have almost nothing in terms of NBA level PG depth.
In terms of the future, there isn't a PG on the roster I expect to be around for the 2020-21 season.
Point Culver
IMO this hypothesis we need to check first. Point Culver might answer many of our needs, it would help to find minutes for Wiggins and Okogie at SG, it would help Nowell to play as scorer as he did in students. It would gives us size and versatility. However, decision making is the hardest thing to learn, while Culver has lot of qualities to succeed as primary ballhandler, he needs time to learn from mistakes. And even in the best scenario it won't happen next season. This season, at least first half, Teague, Napier will be our main options at PG.
I hope the wolves develop him like Doncic and the mavs; slowly delegate more ball handling duties as the season progresses
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wesleyt95 wrote:minimus wrote:IMO this hypothesis we need to check first. Point Culver might answer many of our needs, it would help to find minutes for Wiggins and Okogie at SG, it would help Nowell to play as scorer as he did in students. It would gives us size and versatility. However, decision making is the hardest thing to learn, while Culver has lot of qualities to succeed as primary ballhandler, he needs time to learn from mistakes. And even in the best scenario it won't happen next season. This season, at least first half, Teague, Napier will be our main options at PG.wesleyt95 wrote:Point Culver
I hope the wolves develop him like Doncic and the mavs; slowly delegate more ball handling duties as the season progresses
Doncic is a generational talent, this kid played at highest level before NBA, he had to adjust to NBA, but foundation was there. He was criminaly underrated across US, but his talent was evident. Plus Carlisle is one of the most underrated coaches in NBA.
What we can hope is that organization and coaching staff that Rosas is trying to build, will form a sustainable system that will help our young players to grow. I see SAS as example, it is impressive how they develop young guys such as Bryn Forbes, Lonnie Walker, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray.
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minimus wrote:wesleyt95 wrote:minimus wrote:IMO this hypothesis we need to check first. Point Culver might answer many of our needs, it would help to find minutes for Wiggins and Okogie at SG, it would help Nowell to play as scorer as he did in students. It would gives us size and versatility. However, decision making is the hardest thing to learn, while Culver has lot of qualities to succeed as primary ballhandler, he needs time to learn from mistakes. And even in the best scenario it won't happen next season. This season, at least first half, Teague, Napier will be our main options at PG.
I hope the wolves develop him like Doncic and the mavs; slowly delegate more ball handling duties as the season progresses
Doncic is a generational talent, this kid played at highest level before NBA, he had to adjust to NBA, but foundation was there. He was criminaly underrated across US, but his talent was evident. Plus Carlisle is one of the most underrated coaches in NBA.
What we can hope is that organization and coaching staff that Rosas is trying to build, will form a sustainable system that will help our young players to grow. I see SAS as example, it is impressive how they develop young guys such as Bryn Forbes, Lonnie Walker, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray.
I agree. Doncic had a seasoned skillset from day 1, but Culver did a lot of damage as the only NBA prospect on that TT team... if Point Culver works our starting 5 is set and we only gain more leverage & flexibility w another 1st and Gorgui expiring, Teague off the books a year from now
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wesleyt95 wrote:minimus wrote:wesleyt95 wrote:I hope the wolves develop him like Doncic and the mavs; slowly delegate more ball handling duties as the season progresses
Doncic is a generational talent, this kid played at highest level before NBA, he had to adjust to NBA, but foundation was there. He was criminaly underrated across US, but his talent was evident. Plus Carlisle is one of the most underrated coaches in NBA.
What we can hope is that organization and coaching staff that Rosas is trying to build, will form a sustainable system that will help our young players to grow. I see SAS as example, it is impressive how they develop young guys such as Bryn Forbes, Lonnie Walker, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray.
I agree. Doncic had a seasoned skillset from day 1, but Culver did a lot of damage as the only NBA prospect on that TT team... if Point Culver works our starting 5 is set and we only gain more leverage & flexibility w another 1st and Gorgui expiring, Teague off the books a year from now
I don't believe it will happen, but IF Culver could be successful as our primary ball handler how awesome would that be? Answer: Extremely awesome. A 6'7" Point with great rim attacking ability and a 44 inch vert who can guard 1-3. Salivating even though most likely it will never happen.
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KGdaBom wrote:wesleyt95 wrote:minimus wrote:
Doncic is a generational talent, this kid played at highest level before NBA, he had to adjust to NBA, but foundation was there. He was criminaly underrated across US, but his talent was evident. Plus Carlisle is one of the most underrated coaches in NBA.
What we can hope is that organization and coaching staff that Rosas is trying to build, will form a sustainable system that will help our young players to grow. I see SAS as example, it is impressive how they develop young guys such as Bryn Forbes, Lonnie Walker, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray.
I agree. Doncic had a seasoned skillset from day 1, but Culver did a lot of damage as the only NBA prospect on that TT team... if Point Culver works our starting 5 is set and we only gain more leverage & flexibility w another 1st and Gorgui expiring, Teague off the books a year from now
I don't believe it will happen, but IF Culver could be successful as our primary ball handler how awesome would that be? Answer: Extremely awesome. A 6'7" Point with great rim attacking ability and a 44 inch vert who can guard 1-3. Salivating even though most likely it will never happen.
Why not believe when Saunders and Rosa's says it will happen? We'd have the second biggest mismatch in the league behind Ben Simmons, except Culver could score from all 3 levels
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