Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Arsenal]

Get me Danny Green + D'Angelo Russell + draft picks for Jimmy + resigned Tobias and I'm a happy camper.

Get it done Elton!!!

[Negrodamus]

Get me Danny Green + D'Angelo Russell + draft picks for Jimmy + resigned Tobias and I'm a happy camper.

Get it done Elton!!!

I'm wondering how much D'Angelo is interested in us. He'd be the second option and sharing ballhandling with Simmons. There also hasn't been any inkling that he's interested in us, nor us him. If the situation presents itself, I hope he is interested though.

[LloydFree]

Plenty of smoke, this could be an amazing gift to the Sixers. 5 years of Butler is a scary proposition. Age aside, 90% of his time here, fit concerns were legit. If our front office can turn Butler into several capable NBA bodies (which we’ve lacked for years), it’s a win.

We converted Covington and Saric into Butler. Now you want to convert him into 2 or 3 other players?

It's a good point, especially since everyone could see this was going to be the case from the moment we traded for him. I still don't understand why we traded for an expiring star who will be in his mid thirties by the end of his next deal; perhaps to literally win now, as in this past season. It was short sighted, but that appears to be our new strategy.

It was worth the gamble. They didn't give up much. Butler is a better player than Covington, so they thought that could give them a chance to contend. But it's clear he doesn't fit, and he is marginalized with these players. He's too good to be just a role player, and he's not good enough to play through and win a Championship. Let Houston deal with that. If we get back assets that equal the loss of Covington, we aren't any worse off.

[smittybanton]

The more I think about it, the more I like Capela backing up Embiid. True, it's like cutting a stick of butter with a machete. But we're the best team in the league with Embiid in the middle, and I'm not sure that changes if you replace jimmy and jj with eric gordon and terrence ross (mle). Then the second unit defense would be on point with Capela, instead of Boban or Greg Monroe or Amir or Bolden. If Zhaire and Bolden improve, while we also get a better backup point guard than TJ, we'd be absolutely unbeatable.

We'd never be anything like the -80 it was against Toronto. Joel can have all the rest he needs. Bottom line is with both Embiid and Capela, we'd have the best defense in the league for 48minutes by a long, long, long shot. The way Joel guards the wing and shoots, you could play them together for quick stretches if you wanted to completely demoralize opponents. Lol.

Gordon and Capela and picks might not be the worst deal in the world. Although I would not be as hopeful about those picks as other would, since I anticipate the Rockets would roll out CP3, Harden, Butler, PJ Tucker, and Nerlens Noel (MLE)

[LloydFree]

Get me Danny Green + D'Angelo Russell + draft picks for Jimmy + resigned Tobias and I'm a happy camper.

Get it done Elton!!!

If they got Russell, then I wouldn't mind Wes Matthews instead of Danny Green, if he's cheaper.

[Arsenal]

The more I think about it, the more I like Capela backing up Embiid. True, it's like cutting a stick of butter with a machete. But we're the best team in the league with Embiid in the middle, and I'm not sure that changes if you replace jimmy and jj with eric gordon and terrence ross (mle). Then the second unit defense would be on point with Capela, instead of Boban or Greg Monroe or Amir or Bolden. If Zhaire and Bolden improve, while we also get a better backup point guard than TJ, we'd be absolutely unbeatable.

We'd never be anything like the -80 it was against Toronto. Joel can have all the rest he needs. Bottom line is with both Embiid and Capela, we'd have the best defense in the league for 48minutes by a long, long, long shot. The way Joel guards the wing and shoots, you could play them together for quick stretches if you wanted to completely demoralize opponents. Lol.

Gordon and Capela and picks might not be the worst deal in the world. Although I would not be as hopeful about those picks as other would, since I anticipate the Rockets would roll out CP3, Harden, Butler, PJ Tucker, and Nerlens Noel (MLE)

What you ended your post with is exactly why we don't want Capela. The Rockets could basically replace him with a guy like Noel for $5M/yr. Having a backup C making $16M would absolutely torpedo our salary structure.

Just sign Noel instead.

[LloydFree]

The good news is that if we are to consider a S&T with Houston, we have all the leverage. We are their only path to getting Jimmy.

Couldn't Houston just trade Chris Paul and a 1st to Phoenix for Josh Jackson, then dump Capella on Sacramento for a 2nd rounder and create space?

[Arsenal]

Get me Danny Green + D'Angelo Russell + draft picks for Jimmy + resigned Tobias and I'm a happy camper.

Get it done Elton!!!

I'm wondering how much D'Angelo is interested in us. He'd be the second option and sharing ballhandling with Simmons. There also hasn't been any inkling that he's interested in us, nor us him. If the situation presents itself, I hope he is interested though.

He and Ben Simmons have the Montverde connection. And I'm sure he heard from us leading up to the 2015 draft.

D'Angelo Russell is destined to be a Sixer. He's the one that got away...

[TorturedFan76]

Wait can someone explain all the mechanics of this potential trade to me?

If we sign Jimmy and trade him, best case scenario who could we take on from the Rockets? What else would we get in return (i.e. i'm guessing picks?) and how much room would we have to sign other FAs?

In a sign and trade he is not eligible for his 5 year max. Its the 4 year max. However the salary match is based on the larger of 50% of his new salary, or his previous years cap number. Thats the number we go by which is close to 20M. And since we are considered over the cap in this scenario, we cant take back more than ~25M.
So the previously rumored Gordon/Capela deal doesnt work. That comes to around 28M. We would have to add someone else in, but we have no one. If its Gordon/Capela, you need a 3rd team to somehow help.
The combo that works is Gordon/Tucker. Thats about 21M, and Butler's cap number is close to 21M.

Problem, I hate to pay Tucker 8M the next two years, as a bench player in our cap situation despite him being a nice bench player. Technically, it works but Id still prefer to find a 3rd team to take him.

Gordon + Tucker doesn't work for HOU. They would need to also add Nene.

But that's all irrelevant as I don't see us taking any of those players. They would all go to 3rd teams. We don't want them.

I may be mis-understanding but I think it does work as the incoming salary Houston has to match is the greater of 50% of his new salary, or his previous years cap number. So thats about 21M they need to match. Which makes Gordon/Tucker almost perfect for matching purposes. As I understand it, Houston doesnt need to match his 35M new deal.

Either way....I have to assume with our leverage we get at least a few of those 4 FRPs Houston was offering to Minnesota. For sure, those are the gem in any potential deal. But Id be happy to have Gordon for the year if Redick is to be gone.

Id love the Miami rumor to come back in to the picture for some S&T possibilities. A couple of combos might work salary-wise keeping it under the 25M for us. Basically choose one of Winslow or Richardson, combined with Waiters are the guys what match well with salary between that 21-25 range.

[Arsenal]

The good news is that if we are to consider a S&T with Houston, we have all the leverage. We are their only path to getting Jimmy.

Couldn't Houston just trade Chris Paul and a 1st to Phoenix for Josh Jackson, then dump Capella on Sacramento for a 2nd rounder and create space?

I don't see anyone taking the toxic Chris Paul contract. Not even the Suns.

[Arsenal]

Get me Danny Green + D'Angelo Russell + draft picks for Jimmy + resigned Tobias and I'm a happy camper.

Get it done Elton!!!

If they got Russell, then I wouldn't mind Wes Matthews instead of Danny Green, if he's cheaper.

Matthews will definitely be cheaper. But I think we need 1 defensive stud to go along with mediocre defenders in Harris and Russell in the starting lineup. That's why I'd prioritize Danny Green. He's just a flat out better player overall at this point.

However, I would be interested in Wes Matthews at the vet min if possible.

[Negrodamus]

The good news is that if we are to consider a S&T with Houston, we have all the leverage. We are their only path to getting Jimmy.

Couldn't Houston just trade Chris Paul and a 1st to Phoenix for Josh Jackson, then dump Capella on Sacramento for a 2nd rounder and create space?

I gotta think the allure is the three of them together, especially if Butler is getting paid a lot more.

[Arsenal]

In a sign and trade he is not eligible for his 5 year max. Its the 4 year max. However the salary match is based on the larger of 50% of his new salary, or his previous years cap number. Thats the number we go by which is close to 20M. And since we are considered over the cap in this scenario, we cant take back more than ~25M.
So the previously rumored Gordon/Capela deal doesnt work. That comes to around 28M. We would have to add someone else in, but we have no one. If its Gordon/Capela, you need a 3rd team to somehow help.
The combo that works is Gordon/Tucker. Thats about 21M, and Butler's cap number is close to 21M.

Problem, I hate to pay Tucker 8M the next two years, as a bench player in our cap situation despite him being a nice bench player. Technically, it works but Id still prefer to find a 3rd team to take him.

Gordon + Tucker doesn't work for HOU. They would need to also add Nene.

But that's all irrelevant as I don't see us taking any of those players. They would all go to 3rd teams. We don't want them.

I may be mis-understanding but I think it does work as the incoming salary Houston has to match is the greater of 50% of his new salary, or his previous years cap number. So thats about 21M they need to match. Which makes Gordon/Tucker almost perfect for matching purposes. As I understand it, Houston doesnt need to match his 35M new deal.

Either way....I have to assume with our leverage we get at least a few of those 4 FRPs Houston was offering to Minnesota. For sure, those are the gem in any potential deal. But Id be happy to have Gordon for the year if Redick is to be gone.

Id love the Miami rumor to come back in to the picture for some S&T possibilities. A couple of combos might work salary-wise keeping it under the 25M for us. Basically choose one of Winslow or Richardson, combined with Waiters are the guys what match well with salary between that 21-25 range.

It does not work. From Houston's perspective Gordon + Tucker = $22.4M outgoing salary. They can only take back 125% of that + $100K which is $28.1M, well under Butler's $32.7M MAX incoming salary.

BYC rules only apply to the Sixers because of Butler's large new contract. They do not apply to Houston which is sending out old contracts.

Like I said from Houston's perspective they need to send out Gordon + Tucker + Nene OR Gordon + Capela OR Tucker + Capela + Hartenstein.

They need to send out at least $26.1M in salary to accommodate Butler's MAX incoming salary.

[TorturedFan76]

Gordon + Tucker doesn't work for HOU. They would need to also add Nene.

But that's all irrelevant as I don't see us taking any of those players. They would all go to 3rd teams. We don't want them.

I may be mis-understanding but I think it does work as the incoming salary Houston has to match is the greater of 50% of his new salary, or his previous years cap number. So thats about 21M they need to match. Which makes Gordon/Tucker almost perfect for matching purposes. As I understand it, Houston doesnt need to match his 35M new deal.

Either way....I have to assume with our leverage we get at least a few of those 4 FRPs Houston was offering to Minnesota. For sure, those are the gem in any potential deal. But Id be happy to have Gordon for the year if Redick is to be gone.

Id love the Miami rumor to come back in to the picture for some S&T possibilities. A couple of combos might work salary-wise keeping it under the 25M for us. Basically choose one of Winslow or Richardson, combined with Waiters are the guys what match well with salary between that 21-25 range.

It does not work. From Houston's perspective Gordon + Tucker = $22.4M outgoing salary. They can only take back 125% of that + $100K which is $28.1M, well under Butler's $32.7M MAX incoming salary.

BYC rules only apply to the Sixers because of Butler's large new contract. They do not apply to Houston which is sending out old contracts.

Like I said from Houston's perspective they need to send out Gordon + Tucker + Nene OR Gordon + Capela OR Tucker + Capela + Hartenstein.

They need to send out at least $26.1M in salary to accommodate Butler's MAX incoming salary.

Like I said I dont think Butlers 32.7 MAX salary comes in to play here. Maybe Im misunderstanding what Ive read.... but here it is.



EDIT: Oh F I see it now... Sorry for the mis-information in the earlier post. I thought I had it down! So none of my Miami ideas actually work either. Any scenario would seem to require a 3rd team to take on that little bit of extra salary Houston has to send out that we cant take.

[NYSixersFan]

I'm not interested in first round picks unless they are used to bring in a quality player.

[Arsenal]

I'm not interested in first round picks unless they are used to bring in a quality player.

Yes we know patience is one of your virtues

[phifans]

I'm not interested in first round picks unless they are used to bring in a quality player.

If Jimmy asks to leave. Its better to trade him for some picks than lose him for nothing

[papajoe]

Dont mind loosing him to Houston but not convinced we'd win trade. Elton has been a disaster.

[Slacktard]

I'm not interested in first round picks unless they are used to bring in a quality player.

If Jimmy asks to leave. Its better to trade him for some picks than lose him for nothing

It's better trading him for picks if all you're getting is picks. If you're get bloated overpaid contracts with those picks it's definitely not worth it.

[phifans]

I'm not interested in first round picks unless they are used to bring in a quality player.

If Jimmy asks to leave. Its better to trade him for some picks than lose him for nothing

It's better trading him for picks if all you're getting is picks. If you're get bloated overpaid contracts with those picks it's definitely not worth it.

Of course I want no part of what Houston offer besides picks we should flip all of them to third and fourth team to get more assets and keep the cap space.

If we couldn't do that I'm off to the deal.