Future Free Agent Thread

[SoCalJazzFan]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92f

It does not appear that a 20% raise is required, but the Base Year Compensation Rule (#93) kicks in if Rubio were to sign a contract for at least 20% more than his old (not sure if he would, I doubt it).

Since the Jazz would be greasing the wheels of Memphis and Indiana, making it worth it to them, perhaps it would work and perhaps a TPE could be gotten. If so, who would the Jazz target, and which team would be willing to give up a player making a decent amount?

I would throw the scenario out to the trades and transactions board as there are a couple of CBA wizards there that would probably know.

[KqWIN]

So the Rubio S&T got me thinking...Full disclosure. I haven't thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's legal. I'm terrible at cap minutiae. What if we sign and trade Ricky Rubio to the Pacers and loop them into the MEM trade as a third team? Indiana signs Rubio and we give them a second or two to be involved in this deal. This would allow us to execute the Conley trade without using cap space, meaning we would get the full non-tax paying MLE and the Bi-Annual exception.

So instead of the room exception for $4.7M, we get a $9.2M exception and a $3.6M exception. It would also allow us to keep Neto without problems. How many seconds would you pay for that privilege?

This might answer the question without having to interpret the CBA
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/why-nba-sign-and-trades-are-rare-2.html

Even if all parties are willing, I'm reading the article to mean that the Pacers would have to be willing to pay Ricky 120% of his old salary, or $18M starting salary and the Jazz would only get $7.5M credit, if you will, in the trade.

Moreover, this would have to happen after Conley is brought into cap space, and I believe that the full MLE and BAE would be forfeited due to that transaction.

Admittedly, I'm not 100% sure of any of what I said above.

Edit: is there a prohibition about S&T with more than two teams involved? I'm not sure, but I think that these are very rare for multiple reasons. Now you've got my curiosity piqued.

That's now how that rule works. I assume you're talking about the BYC rule. This rule applies IF the player being signed and traded receives a 20% raise. He does not have to get a 20% raise. If he does receive a 20% raise, he counts for the higher of his old salary or 50% of his new salary. In this situation, it would be Rubio's old salary.

[Rauxcee]

I can just picture it:

"Hey Ricky, we know you liked it here and you thought you had found your new home and new team, and you were hurt by the trade.... but could you do a sign and trade so we could more easily fit your replacement here? K, thanks, bye!"

[Daddy 801]

So the Rubio S&T got me thinking...Full disclosure. I haven't thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's legal. I'm terrible at cap minutiae. What if we sign and trade Ricky Rubio to the Pacers and loop them into the MEM trade as a third team? Indiana signs Rubio and we give them a second or two to be involved in this deal. This would allow us to execute the Conley trade without using cap space, meaning we would get the full non-tax paying MLE and the Bi-Annual exception.

So instead of the room exception for $4.7M, we get a $9.2M exception and a $3.6M exception. It would also allow us to keep Neto without problems. How many seconds would you pay for that privilege?

I’d pay 4 second round picks to do that. No joking. It could be the difference between a 1-2 seed and a 4-5 seed.

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Melo for min? Discuss...

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Oh BTW in part 2 of the Dunc'd on mock off-season GSW traded Shaun Livingston and a 1st rounder for Jae Crowder with Memphis.

So if something like this happens, this would mean we traded the equivalent of 4 1st round picks for Conley.

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Melo for min? Discuss...

Ew.

[reapaman]

I’m not that good with all the cap and MLE stuff, but I feel like we are more options than we have been discussing. Rubio may not be the perfect fit for our team, but a lot of other teams would love to snatch him up. Can someone tell me if we still hold his rights, or at least have options of doing a sign and trade with him?

When your under the cap and a trade takes you over the cap (which the Conley trade does), you automatically lose all cap holds. Which means we have no rights to Rubio and only the small exception to offer free agents (4.7 mil) unless Favors is waived by July 6th in which there is ~17 mil in cap space.

[KqWIN]

We've got to make the Conley deal a 3 teamer with Rubio wherever he goes. Those exceptions are important.

[KqWIN]

So the Rubio S&T got me thinking...Full disclosure. I haven't thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's legal. I'm terrible at cap minutiae. What if we sign and trade Ricky Rubio to the Pacers and loop them into the MEM trade as a third team? Indiana signs Rubio and we give them a second or two to be involved in this deal. This would allow us to execute the Conley trade without using cap space, meaning we would get the full non-tax paying MLE and the Bi-Annual exception.

So instead of the room exception for $4.7M, we get a $9.2M exception and a $3.6M exception. It would also allow us to keep Neto without problems. How many seconds would you pay for that privilege?

I’d pay 4 second round picks to do that. No joking. It could be the difference between a 1-2 seed and a 4-5 seed.

We don't have a first round to trade. But I'm sure we could get someone on a $9.2 that is worth a first rounder. Doing this would triple the money we have in our exceptions.

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Melo for min? Discuss...

Ew.

I'm very wary of doing it too and if I do it it would be with the express plan of not relying on him in the playoffs. I just think we need bodies for the regular season and I think he can probably survive if he buys in in low intensity regular season games. We need players that we can play so we can get our starters healthy and not completely spent to the playoffs.

[KqWIN]

Melo won't play here. He's going to LA or retiring. I think we can potentially pickup Kaminsky for the MIN. Equally as useless on defense, better offensively.

[KqWIN]

Jamal Tinsley back from the dead. It's time for one true Son of Ball to be resurrected again.

(This is a half joke, I think Joe can still play)

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Jamal Tinsley back from the dead. It's time for one true Son of Ball to be resurrected again.

(This is a half joke, I think Joe can still play)

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Here's a name that's escaped the public eye - Luc Mbah A Moute.. he missed the whole year last year. Would you give him the MLE? Or wouldn't go over the min?

[KqWIN]

Here's a name that's escaped the public eye - Luc Mbah A Moute.. he missed the whole year last year. Would you give him the MLE? Or wouldn't go over the min?

Doubt he get's more than a MIN. Certainly worth looking at.

[reapaman]

Here's a name that's escaped the public eye - Luc Mbah A Moute.. he missed the whole year last year. Would you give him the MLE? Or wouldn't go over the min?

Nothing over the min and thats if we are stuck with no other options. He was virtually unplayable versus the Warriors in playoffs a couple seasons ago and thats when the Rockets already had a short rotation. He was 31 then, he's not gonna get any better.

[KqWIN]

Here's a name that's escaped the public eye - Luc Mbah A Moute.. he missed the whole year last year. Would you give him the MLE? Or wouldn't go over the min?

Nothing over the min and thats if we are stuck with no other options. He was virtually unplayable versus the Warriors in playoffs a couple seasons ago and thats when the Rockets already had a short rotation. He was 31 then, he's not gonna get any better.

To be fair, I don’t think he could lift his arms above his shoulders. He was very injured...and still might be by he looks of things.

For a minimum contract, the Jazz would be lucky to get someone who can help them get by in the regular season. If he’s healthy enough, he should be able to that.

[KqWIN]

Jeff Green has signed minimum deals two years in a row. Another guy that can eat minutes. Potentially play in the playoffs too.

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I'm gonna continue saying that - we need live bodies. If not for the playoffs we need bodies for the regular season because if we need to kill our starters in the regular season in order to get to the playoffs, nothing good is waiting for us in the playoffs. We need to get there healthy and relatively fresh. This team right now has no depth whatsoever. There is a legit chance 3 late second rounders will make the team and play real minutes for us. We need players that can help ease your way to the playoffs. Not all of them need to be playoff players. IMO we need to get 1 playoff player with the MLE... and the rest...(the vet mins) they are going to be a crapshoot and we need several of them purely as bodies we can throw at the regular season.