Kyrie Irving Goodbye Thread

[celticfan42487]

Really, did you know the difference between one journalist(a serious one) saying “HAYWARD WAS THE PROBLEM” and another one saying “there are rumors that teammates are not fine with KI”?

Now I’m waiting for a link...

Do you know how to read this board, and multiple reports, and our own insiders confirming them?

Or do you just find one report, completely misread it, then when evidence is brought forth to dispute it you try to raise the standards of evidence to an impossibly high standard, then when it's pointed out that makes you a hypocrite for your original subject ignore it and go back to that same evidence?

Because it seems like you only know how to do one of these things. And it seems like it's the one that is the same logic used by drunk people at a bar.

It's not hard to find what I said through endless reports, so instead of waiting for a link stop being lazy and do a **** google search it's been reported over and over forever now.

I’m sorry for you and you life because you evidently don’t know how to relate to reality.

Thanks, I'll take it since you're too silly to use it for yourself. Did you try the google strategy yet to figure out you're wrong?

Or are you too busy looking for more logically flawed arguments like ' i HaVeN'T hEaRd AiNgE SaY iT' despite him not saying your own stance and thinking that somehow validates your position?

[ParticleMan]

In terms of the order of events, I think it went like this:

1. Youngs came into season with attitude

2. Team struggled

3. Hayward struggled

4. Youngs acted like jerks (specifically Rozier/Brown)

5. Kyrie didn't handle it well

6. Brad didn't handle it well

7. Ainge didn't make any moves.

8. Team played bad basketball (not on same page, etc...)

9. Kyrie started to hate Boston.

10. AD demands trade.

11. Season unravels


I really am so mad at Rozier and Brown. I hope Danny sees it the same way. But Kyrie has gone so scorched earth that it's hard to have any good feelings about him too.

i think you've got the order wrong. the way i see it, kyrie came in and wanted everything done his way especially the kids, and rozier and brown were like wtf, we've got something good going here coming off back to back ECFs, why don't you try to fit in. kyrie was like stfu i've got a ring, so we'll play my way, which is me taking every big shot and passing only if i don't feel like blowing by my guy which i could do at any time. brown+roze were like that's not our system, and that's not how we've been successful.

it's hard for me to be mad at rozier and brown. neither have ever had any problems with teammates before kyrie came to town. kyrie has had well documented problems with every group of teammates he's had. are you really sure that it's brown and rozier who started all this crap?

[Gooner]

In terms of the order of events, I think it went like this:

1. Youngs came into season with attitude

2. Team struggled

3. Hayward struggled

4. Youngs acted like jerks (specifically Rozier/Brown)

5. Kyrie didn't handle it well

6. Brad didn't handle it well

7. Ainge didn't make any moves.

8. Team played bad basketball (not on same page, etc...)

9. Kyrie started to hate Boston.

10. AD demands trade.

11. Season unravels


I really am so mad at Rozier and Brown. I hope Danny sees it the same way. But Kyrie has gone so scorched earth that it's hard to have any good feelings about him too.

i think you've got the order wrong. the way i see it, kyrie came in and wanted everything done his way especially the kids, and rozier and brown were like wtf, we've got something good going here coming off back to back ECFs, why don't you try to fit in. kyrie was like stfu i've got a ring, so we'll play my way, which is me taking every big shot and passing only if i don't feel like blowing by my guy which i could do at any time. brown+roze were like that's not our system, and that's not how we've been successful.

it's hard for me to be mad at rozier and brown. neither have ever had any problems with teammates before kyrie came to town. kyrie has had well documented problems with every group of teammates he's had. are you really sure that it's brown and rozier who started all this crap?

That's not true. Kyrie tried to fit in early, but he was upset that nobody accepted their roles. He was particularly upset at Brad Stevens, who never wanted to empower him as a leader. Brad always viewed himself as the real star of the team, and he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

[3D Chess]

Brad always viewed himself as the real star of the team, and he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

[ParticleMan]

In terms of the order of events, I think it went like this:

1. Youngs came into season with attitude

2. Team struggled

3. Hayward struggled

4. Youngs acted like jerks (specifically Rozier/Brown)

5. Kyrie didn't handle it well

6. Brad didn't handle it well

7. Ainge didn't make any moves.

8. Team played bad basketball (not on same page, etc...)

9. Kyrie started to hate Boston.

10. AD demands trade.

11. Season unravels


I really am so mad at Rozier and Brown. I hope Danny sees it the same way. But Kyrie has gone so scorched earth that it's hard to have any good feelings about him too.

i think you've got the order wrong. the way i see it, kyrie came in and wanted everything done his way especially the kids, and rozier and brown were like wtf, we've got something good going here coming off back to back ECFs, why don't you try to fit in. kyrie was like stfu i've got a ring, so we'll play my way, which is me taking every big shot and passing only if i don't feel like blowing by my guy which i could do at any time. brown+roze were like that's not our system, and that's not how we've been successful.

it's hard for me to be mad at rozier and brown. neither have ever had any problems with teammates before kyrie came to town. kyrie has had well documented problems with every group of teammates he's had. are you really sure that it's brown and rozier who started all this crap?

That's not true. Kyrie tried to fit in early, but he was upset that nobody accepted their roles. He was particularly upset at Brad Stevens, who never wanted to empower him as a leader. Brad always viewed himself as the real star of the team, and he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

i'm sure that's how kyrie sees it. unfortunately it doesn't jive with any of the other evidence. i'll say that the kids didn't help. imo the kid most guilty of coming in with an overly big head was tatum and his succession of low-% isos.

[Gooner]

i think you've got the order wrong. the way i see it, kyrie came in and wanted everything done his way especially the kids, and rozier and brown were like wtf, we've got something good going here coming off back to back ECFs, why don't you try to fit in. kyrie was like stfu i've got a ring, so we'll play my way, which is me taking every big shot and passing only if i don't feel like blowing by my guy which i could do at any time. brown+roze were like that's not our system, and that's not how we've been successful.

it's hard for me to be mad at rozier and brown. neither have ever had any problems with teammates before kyrie came to town. kyrie has had well documented problems with every group of teammates he's had. are you really sure that it's brown and rozier who started all this crap?

That's not true. Kyrie tried to fit in early, but he was upset that nobody accepted their roles. He was particularly upset at Brad Stevens, who never wanted to empower him as a leader. Brad always viewed himself as the real star of the team, and he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

i'm sure that's how kyrie sees it. unfortunately it doesn't jive with any of the other evidence. i'll say that the kids didn't help. imo the kid most guilty of coming in with an overly big head was tatum and his succession of low-% isos.

You have watched all those games, I'm sure. Kyrie played very unselfishly for about 3 first months of the season. But the team was struggling, and the turning point was that Orlando game when he didn't get the last shot. He realised at that point that Brad cares more about his actions, instead of giving the ball to his best player.

I remember one interview when Brad was asked about Kyrie's performance. I don't remember the exact game, but Kyrie had a big night, and Brad started to praise him in his response, but he was so reluctant in doing it that he made the biggest eye roll I've ever seen while he was talking. That cought my eye immediately and I started to understand the relationship dynamic between him and Kyrie.

[winsomme2]

In terms of the order of events, I think it went like this:

1. Youngs came into season with attitude

2. Team struggled

3. Hayward struggled

4. Youngs acted like jerks (specifically Rozier/Brown)

5. Kyrie didn't handle it well

6. Brad didn't handle it well

7. Ainge didn't make any moves.

8. Team played bad basketball (not on same page, etc...)

9. Kyrie started to hate Boston.

10. AD demands trade.

11. Season unravels


I really am so mad at Rozier and Brown. I hope Danny sees it the same way. But Kyrie has gone so scorched earth that it's hard to have any good feelings about him too.

i think you've got the order wrong. the way i see it, kyrie came in and wanted everything done his way especially the kids, and rozier and brown were like wtf, we've got something good going here coming off back to back ECFs, why don't you try to fit in. kyrie was like stfu i've got a ring, so we'll play my way, which is me taking every big shot and passing only if i don't feel like blowing by my guy which i could do at any time. brown+roze were like that's not our system, and that's not how we've been successful.

it's hard for me to be mad at rozier and brown. neither have ever had any problems with teammates before kyrie came to town. kyrie has had well documented problems with every group of teammates he's had. are you really sure that it's brown and rozier who started all this crap?

They also targeted Hayward.

[Feed Your Head]

As far as problems, I'd rank it Kyrie>>Terry>>Jaylen>Brad>Hayward. Only difference being Hayward being a problem wasn't his own fault.

People putting blinders on about what an issue Kyrie was. He was a problem in Cleveland, had multiple issues with the coaching staff there, and it was the same here. I was a Kyrie apologist because of his on court production, but when he stopped trying on the court, i was done with him.

[Half-Full]

As far as problems, I'd rank it Kyrie>>Terry>>Jaylen>Brad>Hayward. Only difference being Hayward being a problem wasn't his own fault.

People putting blinders on about what an issue Kyrie was. He was a problem in Cleveland, had multiple issues with the coaching staff there, and it was the same here. I was a Kyrie apologist because of his on court production, but when he stopped trying on the court, i was done with him.

And then there was his terrible performance in this year's playoffs. That wasn't how a superstar is supposed to do it.

[Parliament10]

Report: Nets likely to sign Kyrie Irving to 4-year, $141 million deal
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/26/kyrie-irving-to-sign-4-year-141-million-deal-with-the-brooklyn-nets/


I'm waiting to see what Mr. Silent, aka Kyrie Irving, does.
If he leaves, as has been reported across the board, then he's a scumbag in my book. IJS

[Roddy]

That's not true. Kyrie tried to fit in early, but he was upset that nobody accepted their roles. He was particularly upset at Brad Stevens, who never wanted to empower him as a leader. Brad always viewed himself as the real star of the team, and he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

You know what ? Since none of us know what happened in this team all season, we can only make assumptions.

And my assumption is that you are probably...

[Green89]

Report: Nets likely to sign Kyrie Irving to 4-year, $141 million deal
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/26/kyrie-irving-to-sign-4-year-141-million-deal-with-the-brooklyn-nets/


I'm waiting to see what Mr. Silent, aka Kyrie Irving, does.
If he leaves, as has been reported across the board, then he's a scumbag in my book. IJS

Karma will get him in the end. It already has. Tried to leave Cleveland and the past two years didn't work out. Wanted to play with Durant and that's not going to work out, and then he'll go to the Nets and they'll never sniff a title. Good riddance, Kyrie. Your selfishness will catch up to you.

[Parliament10]

That's not true. Kyrie tried to fit in early, but he was upset that nobody accepted their roles. He was particularly upset at Brad Stevens, who never wanted to empower him as a leader. Brad always viewed himself as the real star of the team, and he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

You know what ? Since none of us know what happened in this team all season, we can only make assumptions.

And my assumption is that you are probably...

Yeah, Gooner. Where'd you get all this from?

[Roddy]

Report: Nets likely to sign Kyrie Irving to 4-year, $141 million deal
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/26/kyrie-irving-to-sign-4-year-141-million-deal-with-the-brooklyn-nets/


I'm waiting to see what Mr. Silent, aka Kyrie Irving, does.
If he leaves, as has been reported across the board, then he's a scumbag in my book. IJS

Look like Sean Marks just catch a big fish !!!





PS : Good Luck Nets

[Gooner]

That's not true. Kyrie tried to fit in early, but he was upset that nobody accepted their roles. He was particularly upset at Brad Stevens, who never wanted to empower him as a leader. Brad always viewed himself as the real star of the team, and he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

You know what ? Since none of us know what happened in this team all season, we can only make assumptions.

And my assumption is that you are probably...

Once again, we all watched the games, and kyrie played well in his first season, and he played well for the first 3 months of this season. He played the right way, but he was still getting all the criticism for team underperforming, because Brad and players never wanted to adjust a little bit to him.

Kyrie didn't respond well to that, no doubt, but he had good intentions at the start. He just doesn't have maturiry to deal with that stuff throughout the whole season. That's where coach comes in, and even GM, and they should have done a better job of making the life easier for their star. Brad empowered his boy Hayward. He made everything he possibly could to make him comfortable. He didn't do any of that with Kyrie, even though he was his best player.

I found the video I was talking about, when Brad reluctantly praised Kyrie. It starts at 2 min, with him first taking a pause and a sigh, kinda forcing himself to give him praise, and then in the end, he rolls his eyes almost doing 360. Once again, he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

Watch on YouTube

[sully00]

In terms of the order of events, I think it went like this:

1. Youngs came into season with attitude

2. Team struggled

3. Hayward struggled

4. Youngs acted like jerks (specifically Rozier/Brown)

5. Kyrie didn't handle it well

6. Brad didn't handle it well

7. Ainge didn't make any moves.

8. Team played bad basketball (not on same page, etc...)

9. Kyrie started to hate Boston.

10. AD demands trade.

11. Season unravels


I really am so mad at Rozier and Brown. I hope Danny sees it the same way. But Kyrie has gone so scorched earth that it's hard to have any good feelings about him too.

i think you've got the order wrong. the way i see it, kyrie came in and wanted everything done his way especially the kids, and rozier and brown were like wtf, we've got something good going here coming off back to back ECFs, why don't you try to fit in. kyrie was like stfu i've got a ring, so we'll play my way, which is me taking every big shot and passing only if i don't feel like blowing by my guy which i could do at any time. brown+roze were like that's not our system, and that's not how we've been successful.

it's hard for me to be mad at rozier and brown. neither have ever had any problems with teammates before kyrie came to town. kyrie has had well documented problems with every group of teammates he's had. are you really sure that it's brown and rozier who started all this crap?

They also targeted Hayward.

I think it was other teams that targeted Hayward. This all went sideways after the ORL game and when Irving did the interviews with ESPN. He basically went public with what he was doing in the locker room with going "Son" on the whole roster this was confirmed by the local media as well. I think this is what caused the hard feelings to come out. This with the public pleading for a veteran players on a team with Al Horford, Gordon Hayward, and Marcus Morris. He exposed himself as douche and wasn't going to get the FO to make moves just to make him happy and he decided that he would go somewhere else.

[Jaqua92]

That's not true. Kyrie tried to fit in early, but he was upset that nobody accepted their roles. He was particularly upset at Brad Stevens, who never wanted to empower him as a leader. Brad always viewed himself as the real star of the team, and he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

You know what ? Since none of us know what happened in this team all season, we can only make assumptions.

And my assumption is that you are probably...

Once again, we all watched the games, and kyrie played well in his first season, and he played well for the first 3 months of this season. He played the right way, but he was still getting all the criticism for team underperforming, because Brad and players never wanted to adjust a little bit to him.

Kyrie didn't respond well to that, no doubt, but he had good intentions at the start. He just doesn't have maturiry to deal with that stuff throughout the whole season. That's where coach comes in, and even GM, and they should have done a better job of making the life easier for their star. Brad empowered his boy Hayward. He made everything he possibly could to make him comfortable. He didn't do any of that with Kyrie, even though he was his best player.

I found the video I was talking about, when Brad reluctantly praised Kyrie. It starts at 2 min, with him first taking a pause and a sigh, kinda forcing himself to give him praise, and then in the end, he rolls his eyes almost doing 360. Once again, he viewed Kyrie as a threat.

Watch on YouTube

Idk about viewing Kyrie as a threat. I just don't think he liked him.

Other than that, spot on.

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[Curmudgeon]

I think it's kind of funny how people are attacking Kyrie's character. He seems a little quirky (the flat earth thing), but he earned the right to be a free agent and to go where he likes.

I've been one of his biggest critics here, but it's about what he does and does not do on the basketball floor, not some wild inferences about his personality or his "leadership skills." Has anyone here spent significant time in the Celtics locker room? I seriously doubt it.

He's a flashy but selfish player who does not make his teammates better and his defensive effort is sporadic at best. I want him to leave. But that doesn't make him a "scumbag" or a "traitor."

Hortford is also leaving but no one is using perjorative terms to describe him.

[sam_I_am]

I think it's kind of funny how people are attacking Kyrie's character. He seems a little quirky (the flat earth thing), but he earned the right to be a free agent and to go where he likes.

I've been one of his biggest critics here, but it's about what he does and does not do on the basketball floor, not some wild inferences about his personality or his "leadership skills." Has anyone here spent significant time in the Celtics locker room? I seriously doubt it.

He's a flashy but selfish player who does not make his teammates better and his defensive effort is sporadic at best. I want him to leave. But that doesn't make him a "scumbag" or a "traitor."

Hortford is also leaving but no one is using perjorative terms to describe him.

Great post. I don’t love Kyrie’s game and his press conferences annoy me. However, he is every bit as much a high character guy as everybody we drafted. He is 100% committed to his craft, is never trouble off the court and has a great relationship with his dad.

[chrisab123]

As far as problems, I'd rank it Kyrie>>Terry>>Jaylen>Brad>Hayward. Only difference being Hayward being a problem wasn't his own fault.

People putting blinders on about what an issue Kyrie was. He was a problem in Cleveland, had multiple issues with the coaching staff there, and it was the same here. I was a Kyrie apologist because of his on court production, but when he stopped trying on the court, i was done with him.

I think towards the end this was correct. But at the beginning to the middle of the season I'd flip Rozier and Kyrie. By all accounts he was the one who started this entire mess. Maybe put Ainge at #1 and Rozier and Kyrie 2 and 3. Jaylen being a close 4th. Brad being 5th as a guy who is clueless on how to coach a contender with stars.