Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[LloydFree]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

Hell yeah, I'd take that deal.

PJ Tucker, Gordon and 2 late 1st round picks is not good value, those 2 first round players may never be rotational players for a playoff team(which you'd hope to have with Embiid and Simmons).

Who is your late game playmaker in the playoffs in the next few years? Nobody is the answer until Simmons gets a GOOD jumper (and that isn't happening soon to a guy shooting 60% from the line) and with that, continued being knocked out in the playoffs in the 2nd or if you get lucky with the seeding... 3rd round.

This isn't who has the best assets wins, you still have to have certain roles being filled (which Boston found out this year) and more importantly you'd be missing possibly the #1 role for a contender, a late-game playmaker, with a strong roster that's fine in the regular season but it won't cut it in the playoffs.

Once again... YOU JUST TOOK THE EVENTUAL CHAMPS TO THE LAST SECOND IN GAME 7 WITH YOUR BEST PLAYER SICK MULTIPLE GAMES AND NOT MUCH CHEMISTRY BUILT BY THE STARTERS... Even if Leonard goes back to Toronto(which he shouldn't), Philly is probably the top team in the East if they run it back and make some adjustments on offense to make better use of their players. WHy would you not want to be one of the top 4 teams to win a championship the next 5 years (I'd hope in 3-5 years Simmons finally develops a solid jumper giving Philly 2-3 options at the end of games with Simmons, Butler or Harris).

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon and two 1sts are significantly better than what we traded to get Butler from Minnesota.

[ankle420breaker]

I think we need to wait and see if Jimmy turns down the max or if we don’t offer it.

All of this seems like posturing

Agree.


Still-- if we flip Butler to Houston in 6-way deal we could get better value. Mass producing scenarios now. Stay tuned.

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[ProcessDoctor]

My only concern with trading Jimmy is replacing him as a closer. I felt so much more comfortable with him down this stretch this year compared to the RoCo/Dario days.

[Negrodamus]

My only concern with trading Jimmy is replacing him as a closer. I felt so much more comfortable with him down this stretch this year compared to the RoCo/Dario days.

Well, there are answers:

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[PhilasFinest]

My only concern with trading Jimmy is replacing him as a closer. I felt so much more comfortable with him down this stretch this year compared to the RoCo/Dario days.

Well, there are answers:

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Ross to replace JJ is one of my biggest pipe dreams.

If JJ isn't willing to come back on a reasonable salary, at his age its going to be a tough decision for the Sixers to make. That being said, JJ Redick's role is literally the most integral part of our offense minus Joel Embiid. Without a player to fill the role adequately, our offense will suffer.....and that's EXACTLY where Terrence Ross could come in.

[smittybanton]

A source with knowledge of the Rockets’ plans tells Amick that Danny Green, Jeremy Lamb, Al-Farouq Aminu, DeAndre Jordan, Brook Lopez, and Kevon Looney are among the veteran free agents that have piqued the club’s interest.

General manager Daryl Morey has indicated that the Rockets would like to add a third star to complement James Harden and Chris Paul, whose supposedly “unsalvageable” relationship was referred to as “fake news” by P.J. Tucker within Amick’s story. Multiple reports have identified Butler as the team’s most likely target.

However, there are a number of roadblocks standing in the way of acquiring Butler — the Sixers would have to agree to a sign-and-trade, a third team would likely have to be involved due to Base Year Compensation rules, and Houston’s ability to fill out a roster around Harden, Paul, and Butler would be extremely limited due to a hard cap. And, of course, Butler would have to want to go to Houston badly enough to try to make it all work.

Back to life, back to reality:

Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Joel Embiid
Tomas Satoransky, Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott, Marcus Morris, Markeiff Morris
Vasilije Micic, Shake Milton, Matisse Thybulle, Marial Shayock, Jonah Bolden.

Where we getting the $ to acquire both Morris brothers and Satoransky on top of resigning Butler, Harris, and Redick?

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First off, thanks.

Second. I think folks are overvaluing what the Morris brothes are expected to receive. One of them just played for $5m, the other for $8m. They are older now. To play together, back home, for a chance to win a chip, I'm only giving each of the Morris' 3yrs/12m (3.5, 4, 4.5). If they don't want it, there are other options.

Third. That leaves me $6m from the MLE for Satoransky, 4yrs/30 (6, 7, 8, 9). The Wizards could match it. But they have a lot of players to retain, along with giving Beal an extension. Otherwise, the point guard market is soft around the league. And again, if Satoransky doesn't want that to play for a winner, there are other options.

Butler, Harris, Redick, Scott ~ Bird Rights
MLE 6m ~ Tomas Satoransky
MLE 3.5 ~ Marcus Morris
BAE 3.5 ~ Markeiff Morris

[stormi]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

Not enough. I'd want a pick haul like Griffin got from Pelinka. Neither of those two players are all that enticing, and that 2020 pick is right in that selling range for this management.

The goal here still is to win a championship and by helping Houston accommodate a super team you're creating another hurdle for us. That's exactly what Houston needs, a closer, a leader, physicality, defense.

Yikes.

[stormi]

Gordon, Tucker, Nene and 3 first rounders over a 6 year stretch.

If they say no, tell them to kick rocks and Jimmy will just go sign with a team with capspace.

Nene?

lmfaooooooooo

[Negrodamus]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

Not enough. I'd want a pick haul like Griffin got from Pelinka. Neither of those two players are all that enticing, and that 2020 pick is right in that selling range for this management.

The goal here still is to win a championship and by helping Houston accommodate a super team you're creating another hurdle for us. That's exactly what Houston needs, a closer, a leader, physicality, defense.

Yikes.

If there's one thing I've learned from this year with Jimmy, it's that he absolutely does not fit the role of off ball shooter. That situation would be a disaster for the next 5 years.

[stormi]

If that were to happen and we re-sign Harris and Redick-- Where would that leave us in terms of remaining cap room? Would we have any $ beyond the MLE?

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There would be no room. But so what? You'd have your top 6 and you'd still have your exceptions.

Simmons/Gordon/Harris/Tucker/Embiid with Redick as a 6th man. Who will be our closer in that lineup? Nothing good will come out from relying on Embiid in clutch. That's not a contender. So in that case I would demand 22,24 unprotected and 23 swap or let Jimmy go to team with cap space.

Probably Tobi. He does have the shot creation ability and moves to get separation. He's just never really been tested in that role.

Starting next year, we need Jo to step up and start dominating in that moment when it comes, but Tobi was a borderline all-star and best player this year on a Clippers team that was surprising everyone and holding down a playoff spot.

[smittybanton]

Back to life, back to reality:

Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Joel Embiid
Tomas Satoransky, Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott, Marcus Morris, Markeiff Morris
Vasilije Micic, Shake Milton, Matisse Thybulle, Marial Shayock, Jonah Bolden.

Where we getting the $ to acquire both Morris brothers and Satoransky on top of resigning Butler, Harris, and Redick?

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First off, thanks.

Second. I think folks are overvaluing what the Morris brothes are expected to receive. One of them just played for $5m, the other for $8m. They are older now. To play together, back home, for a chance to win a chip, I'm only giving each of the Morris' 3yrs/12m (3.5, 4, 4.5). If they don't want it, there are other options.

Third. That leaves me $6m from the MLE for Satoransky, 4yrs/30 (6, 7, 8, 9). The Wizards could match it. But they have a lot of players to retain, along with giving Beal an extension. Otherwise, the point guard market is soft around the league. And again, if Satoransky doesn't want that to play for a winner, there are other options.

Butler, Harris, Redick, Scott ~ Bird Rights
MLE 6m ~ Tomas Satoransky
MLE 3.5 ~ Marcus Morris
BAE 3.5 ~ Markeiff Morris

Option (E or F) is
Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Joel Embiid
Derrick Rose, Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott, Taj Gibson, Thomas Bryant Jr.
Vasilije Micic, Shake Milton, Matisse Thybulle, Marial Shayock, Jonah Bolden


I also have a darren collision, nerlens noel, mario hezonja combination I've been working on. Wanna hear it, here it go.....

[stormi]

This free agency saga will probably conclude with Jimmy and Tobi successfully posturing their super max's from the team, but I wonder how Hinkie would have played this

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[AirP.]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, and two 1sts are significantly better than what we traded to get Butler from Minnesota.

Wait what? PJ Tucker is currently 34, Eric Gordon is 30, Gordon is on the last year of his contract and PJ has 2 years left. I don't see how those 2 players and 2 very late 1st round picks is anywhere near Saric, Covington.

[fl311]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, and two 1sts are significantly better than what we traded to get Butler from Minnesota.

Wait what? PJ Tucker is currently 34, Eric Gordon is 30, Gordon is on the last year of his contract and PJ has 2 years left. I don't see how those 2 players and 2 very late 1st round picks is anywhere near Saric, Covington.

Well, Tucker is much better than Saric.

You are then looking at Gordon plus 2 1sts for Covington. That about equal. That would make this a better deal for Sixers

[Arsenal]

There would be no room. But so what? You'd have your top 6 and you'd still have your exceptions.

Simmons/Gordon/Harris/Tucker/Embiid with Redick as a 6th man. Who will be our closer in that lineup? Nothing good will come out from relying on Embiid in clutch. That's not a contender. So in that case I would demand 22,24 unprotected and 23 swap or let Jimmy go to team with cap space.

Probably Tobi. He does have the shot creation ability and moves to get separation. He's just never really been tested in that role.

Starting next year, we need Jo to step up and start dominating in that moment when it comes, but Tobi was a borderline all-star and best player this year on a Clippers team that was surprising everyone and holding down a playoff spot.

The Clippers didn't miss a beat without Tobias Harris. He is ridiculously overrated.

That said we probably need to keep him. But paying him the MAX is going to cripple us financially.

[Arsenal]

This free agency saga will probably conclude with Jimmy and Tobi successfully posturing their super max's from the team, but I wonder how Hinkie would have played this

Sam Hinkie wouldn't have put himself into this compromised position to begin with, where we are forced to overpay both Butler and Harris after burning away almost all our assets to rent them.

We would be better off right now if we hadn't done either deal. We'd have all our assets still, RoCo, Dario, and Shamet under contract, and $45M of open cap room to make moves.

[Arsenal]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, and two 1sts are significantly better than what we traded to get Butler from Minnesota.

Wait what? PJ Tucker is currently 34, Eric Gordon is 30, Gordon is on the last year of his contract and PJ has 2 years left. I don't see how those 2 players and 2 very late 1st round picks is anywhere near Saric, Covington.

PJ Tucker and Eric Gordon are both bad contracts for aging and declining veterans. We don't want either of them.

[kriss73]

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Great news!

If we trade Z.Smith for a future pick, we're able to re-sign Butler and offer the max contract ro Kawhi!

[Sixerscan]

This free agency saga will probably conclude with Jimmy and Tobi successfully posturing their super max's from the team, but I wonder how Hinkie would have played this

Sam Hinkie wouldn't have put himself into this compromised position to begin with, where we are forced to overpay both Butler and Harris after burning away almost all our assets to rent them.

We would be better off right now if we hadn't done either deal. We'd have all our assets still, RoCo, Dario, and Shamet under contract, and $45M of open cap room to make moves.

You’re freaking out about this lol. Every time I open this thread it’s the same thing. Those guys weren’t anything special, we’re in a better spot now. But the grass is always greener...