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yoyojw17 wrote:Tarheel wrote:
AWESOME!!!!!
I like em both a lot. Hope we enter the season with them both on our roster. Excited to see Amile in the preseason... hope he is going to be a starter for them and play a primary roll.
OrlChamps2030 wrote:Anyone else feel like Brogdon on a 20+mill deal would be a disappointment on this team?
Unless people are talking about him as a fallback option if we can’t get DLo.. but otherwise I feel like DLo is a much better fit for this team
Brogdon has role player written all over him, he doesn’t break defenses down off the dribble or create his own shot. He looks a lot better next to the MVP than he does next to DJ Augustine imo
OrlChamps2030 wrote:Anyone else feel like Brogdon on a 20+mill deal would be a disappointment on this team?
Unless people are talking about him as a fallback option if we can’t get DLo.. but otherwise I feel like DLo is a much better fit for this team
Brogdon has role player written all over him, he doesn’t break defenses down off the dribble or create his own shot. He looks a lot better next to the MVP than he does next to DJ Augustine imo
Knightro wrote:I've been pretty silent from the end of the season to now, but as we approach the eve of free agency I'm definitely starting to feel like the Magic are more likely to let Vucevic AND Ross walk than ever before.
BadMofoPimp wrote:OrlandoMagic wrote:I personally thing Ross should be more of a priority than Vuc. Like someone said in another thread a lot of teams don’t need centers anymore with high usage. I honestly can’t see teams forking over a ton of money for Vuc. I would personally let Vuc test the league out see what other teams are thinking. Once we hear he has a contract in hand if it’s reasonable give him the same or slightly more. Put it on him wether he wants to stay or not.
Vooch is an all-star that was consistent all season long who was more integral to the team winning more games than Ross who is great when he is hot, but not when he is not hot. I love me some Ross, but much of the time he is a black hole on offense who rarely passes and chucks like there is no tomorrow. Fans here utilize the term Black Hole when describing other players, but Ross becomes that at times.
BadMofoPimp wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Given how he is trigger -happy and doesn't really pass that well and only looks for his own shots, i highly doubt any serious ,upper echelon team would target him or if they do offer him more than $11-$12M he makes now.
He is career 7,1 ppg playoff performer on 36% FG and negative offensive impact.
For Magic he is pretty much their offensive punch, but no other team is willing to gamble on production of 1 player to carry on whole bench. Even Lou Williams comes off bench with Montrezl Harrell to share offensive duties. Magic? Who was second best scorer off bench for Magic? Mo Bamba on 6,2 ppg?
I can see Ross commanding a Fournier level contract around $18 mil per. Any more than that, I would look elsewhere.
BadMofoPimp wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Given how he is trigger -happy and doesn't really pass that well and only looks for his own shots, i highly doubt any serious ,upper echelon team would target him or if they do offer him more than $11-$12M he makes now.
He is career 7,1 ppg playoff performer on 36% FG and negative offensive impact.
For Magic he is pretty much their offensive punch, but no other team is willing to gamble on production of 1 player to carry on whole bench. Even Lou Williams comes off bench with Montrezl Harrell to share offensive duties. Magic? Who was second best scorer off bench for Magic? Mo Bamba on 6,2 ppg?
I can see Ross commanding a Fournier level contract around $18 mil per. Any more than that, I would look elsewhere.
Iwundu ranked first on the Magic and fifth overall in the NBA in field goal percentage allowed at 40.5 percenThat put him in the same company as Antetokounmpo (40.1 percent allowed), Denver’s Torrey Craig (39.8 percent allowed), Toronto’s Most Improved Player award winner Pascal Siakam (39.7 percent allowed) and Miami’s Derrick Jones Jr. (39.1 percent allowed).
Blue_and_Whte wrote:https://www.nba.com/amp/magic/orlando-magic-extend-qualifying-offers-khem-birch-amile-jefferson-20190625Iwundu ranked first on the Magic and fifth overall in the NBA in field goal percentage allowed at 40.5 percenThat put him in the same company as Antetokounmpo (40.1 percent allowed), Denver’s Torrey Craig (39.8 percent allowed), Toronto’s Most Improved Player award winner Pascal Siakam (39.7 percent allowed) and Miami’s Derrick Jones Jr. (39.1 percent allowed).
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:OrlChamps2030 wrote:Anyone else feel like Brogdon on a 20+mill deal would be a disappointment on this team?
Unless people are talking about him as a fallback option if we can’t get DLo.. but otherwise I feel like DLo is a much better fit for this team
Brogdon has role player written all over him, he doesn’t break defenses down off the dribble or create his own shot. He looks a lot better next to the MVP than he does next to DJ Augustine imo
Brogdon on 20M will be the new Fournier overpaying a role player move
OrlandoMagic wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:OrlandoMagic wrote:I personally thing Ross should be more of a priority than Vuc. Like someone said in another thread a lot of teams don’t need centers anymore with high usage. I honestly can’t see teams forking over a ton of money for Vuc. I would personally let Vuc test the league out see what other teams are thinking. Once we hear he has a contract in hand if it’s reasonable give him the same or slightly more. Put it on him wether he wants to stay or not.
Vooch is an all-star that was consistent all season long who was more integral to the team winning more games than Ross who is great when he is hot, but not when he is not hot. I love me some Ross, but much of the time he is a black hole on offense who rarely passes and chucks like there is no tomorrow. Fans here utilize the term Black Hole when describing other players, but Ross becomes that at times.
I honestly get what you are saying and even agree a little bit. But how many teams actually run their offense through the center position? Ross to me is an important player just because I do believe he is our bench scoring. Without him who scores in the second unit?
Popsicle1228 wrote:OrlandoMagic wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:
Vooch is an all-star that was consistent all season long who was more integral to the team winning more games than Ross who is great when he is hot, but not when he is not hot. I love me some Ross, but much of the time he is a black hole on offense who rarely passes and chucks like there is no tomorrow. Fans here utilize the term Black Hole when describing other players, but Ross becomes that at times.
I honestly get what you are saying and even agree a little bit. But how many teams actually run their offense through the center position? Ross to me is an important player just because I do believe he is our bench scoring. Without him who scores in the second unit?
Without Vuc who scores on the 1st unit?
OrlandoMagic wrote:Popsicle1228 wrote:OrlandoMagic wrote:
I honestly get what you are saying and even agree a little bit. But how many teams actually run their offense through the center position? Ross to me is an important player just because I do believe he is our bench scoring. Without him who scores in the second unit?
Without Vuc who scores on the 1st unit?
Within the first unit both Gordon and Fournier have shown they can score when given the opportunity. And you can almost make a case for Issac as he improves. It in our second unit you really can’t say this person or that person can. Or maybe you can? I just personally don’t see or would trust anyone in the second unit to score much. Now if we solely become a lock down defense with our second unit then scoring doesn’t matter as much.
jayrehme wrote:OrlandoMagic wrote:Popsicle1228 wrote:
Without Vuc who scores on the 1st unit?
Within the first unit both Gordon and Fournier have shown they can score when given the opportunity. And you can almost make a case for Issac as he improves. It in our second unit you really can’t say this person or that person can. Or maybe you can? I just personally don’t see or would trust anyone in the second unit to score much. Now if we solely become a lock down defense with our second unit then scoring doesn’t matter as much.
I'd be excited to not have to see Augustin dribble around for 20 seconds trying to get Vuc the ball.
The Effect wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:OrlChamps2030 wrote:Anyone else feel like Brogdon on a 20+mill deal would be a disappointment on this team?
Unless people are talking about him as a fallback option if we can’t get DLo.. but otherwise I feel like DLo is a much better fit for this team
Brogdon has role player written all over him, he doesn’t break defenses down off the dribble or create his own shot. He looks a lot better next to the MVP than he does next to DJ Augustine imo
Brogdon on 20M will be the new Fournier overpaying a role player move
Why is it always looked at as a worst case scenario?
Why couldnt signing him be the new Khris Middleton, sign a promising young role player to a nice deal and then watching them become elite?
The Effect wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:OrlChamps2030 wrote:Anyone else feel like Brogdon on a 20+mill deal would be a disappointment on this team?
Unless people are talking about him as a fallback option if we can’t get DLo.. but otherwise I feel like DLo is a much better fit for this team
Brogdon has role player written all over him, he doesn’t break defenses down off the dribble or create his own shot. He looks a lot better next to the MVP than he does next to DJ Augustine imo
Brogdon on 20M will be the new Fournier overpaying a role player move
Why is it always looked at as a worst case scenario?
Why couldnt signing him be the new Khris Middleton, sign a promising young role player to a nice deal and then watching them become elite?
ezzzp wrote:The Effect wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Brogdon on 20M will be the new Fournier overpaying a role player move
Why is it always looked at as a worst case scenario?
Why couldnt signing him be the new Khris Middleton, sign a promising young role player to a nice deal and then watching them become elite?
Middelton was 21 when Hammond traded for him in Milwaukee...even at that age he already had a versatile offensive game that wasn't reliant on other players.
Brogdan is 26 (43 days younger than Fournier). He brings better defense than Fournier, but everything else is essentially same. The Magic need more than that for what could be a considerably bigger contract than Fournier's...AND they both play the same position. If Magic have a way of trading Fournier to make room for Brogdon, sure...but getting more expensive while duplicating and not really improving the position all that much doesn't make a lot of sense.Spoiler: