bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
Yup can't complain much about this draft.
Last 2 years:
Edwards, Waters, Langford, Williams, Williams
Now add in Tatum and Brown that's a really nice core with upside to build upon if Ainge will let it be and not panic.
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bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:The first pick is the issue for me. The other three were fine.
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
FlatearthZorro wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:The first pick is the issue for me. The other three were fine.
It's an issue cause of the logjam at guard/wing position. If we had a big it'd be better, having Jaylen/Jayson/Gordon and Romeo all looking for minutes will be hard. A big could start growing with this group straight away ie Bitadze/Sekou, etc...
La Flame wrote:FlatearthZorro wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:The first pick is the issue for me. The other three were fine.
It's an issue cause of the logjam at guard/wing position. If we had a big it'd be better, having Jaylen/Jayson/Gordon and Romeo all looking for minutes will be hard. A big could start growing with this group straight away ie Bitadze/Sekou, etc...
Maybe Romeo can run the point?

FlatearthZorro wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:The first pick is the issue for me. The other three were fine.
It's an issue cause of the logjam at guard/wing position. If we had a big it'd be better, having Jaylen/Jayson/Gordon and Romeo all looking for minutes will be hard. A big could start growing with this group straight away ie Bitadze/Sekou, etc...
sully00 wrote:With the #14 pick you have to swing for the fences. My guess is that Boston had Langford much higher on their board than #14. I am not totally buying the idea of the guy playing PG but talent rises.
sully00 wrote:FlatearthZorro wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:The first pick is the issue for me. The other three were fine.
It's an issue cause of the logjam at guard/wing position. If we had a big it'd be better, having Jaylen/Jayson/Gordon and Romeo all looking for minutes will be hard. A big could start growing with this group straight away ie Bitadze/Sekou, etc...
You never want to draft for need. Trying to address a short term need with a long term asset is destined to blow up in your face. You can get a big who can play now in FA they are the most undervalued asset going. Young bigs have the hardest time getting playing time early in their careers on top of it.
With the #14 pick you have to swing for the fences. My guess is that Boston had Langford much higher on their board than #14. I am not totally buying the idea of the guy playing PG but talent rises.
PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.

FlatearthZorro wrote:sully00 wrote:FlatearthZorro wrote:
It's an issue cause of the logjam at guard/wing position. If we had a big it'd be better, having Jaylen/Jayson/Gordon and Romeo all looking for minutes will be hard. A big could start growing with this group straight away ie Bitadze/Sekou, etc...
You never want to draft for need. Trying to address a short term need with a long term asset is destined to blow up in your face. You can get a big who can play now in FA they are the most undervalued asset going. Young bigs have the hardest time getting playing time early in their careers on top of it.
With the #14 pick you have to swing for the fences. My guess is that Boston had Langford much higher on their board than #14. I am not totally buying the idea of the guy playing PG but talent rises.
This was fun and true for a while until you draft 8-9 guards under contract and they start losing value because they play the same position and not all of them can get the opportunity to develop properly. I like the pick a ton, would've still taken Sekou or Bitadze.
sully00 wrote:FlatearthZorro wrote:sully00 wrote:
You never want to draft for need. Trying to address a short term need with a long term asset is destined to blow up in your face. You can get a big who can play now in FA they are the most undervalued asset going. Young bigs have the hardest time getting playing time early in their careers on top of it.
With the #14 pick you have to swing for the fences. My guess is that Boston had Langford much higher on their board than #14. I am not totally buying the idea of the guy playing PG but talent rises.
This was fun and true for a while until you draft 8-9 guards under contract and they start losing value because they play the same position and not all of them can get the opportunity to develop properly. I like the pick a ton, would've still taken Sekou or Bitadze.
I would argue we only had one guard under contract going into the draft. Now we might have 4 SF's that you are hoping to play some guard besides Smart I am not sure who under contract is a guard prior to the draft.
I think the team views Tatum as a PF long term so the urgency we have for a PF of the future they don't necessarily see. It would be good to have added a big no doubt and I was behind that but I also understand what Ainge did here. A play making guard has value to this roster and at #14 you just take the best player available I would have been fine with Sekou if he was the best player on their board my guess he wasn't.
For all the talk about Williams as undersized so are Sekou and Clarke, we are talking about 3 guys with a 6'11" wingspan. Clarke and Sekou are much more athletic than Williams but Williams is much stronger and more skliled. So if your concern is that the current roster needs help up front Williams actually has a better chance of addressing that than Sekou or Clarke.
sam_I_am wrote:sully00 wrote:FlatearthZorro wrote:
This was fun and true for a while until you draft 8-9 guards under contract and they start losing value because they play the same position and not all of them can get the opportunity to develop properly. I like the pick a ton, would've still taken Sekou or Bitadze.
I would argue we only had one guard under contract going into the draft. Now we might have 4 SF's that you are hoping to play some guard besides Smart I am not sure who under contract is a guard prior to the draft.
I think the team views Tatum as a PF long term so the urgency we have for a PF of the future they don't necessarily see. It would be good to have added a big no doubt and I was behind that but I also understand what Ainge did here. A play making guard has value to this roster and at #14 you just take the best player available I would have been fine with Sekou if he was the best player on their board my guess he wasn't.
For all the talk about Williams as undersized so are Sekou and Clarke, we are talking about 3 guys with a 6'11" wingspan. Clarke and Sekou are much more athletic than Williams but Williams is much stronger and more skliled. So if your concern is that the current roster needs help up front Williams actually has a better chance of addressing that than Sekou or Clarke.
I definitely would have loved the Celtics to draft a Siakam/OG pair of tough versatile PFs. I was hoping Sekou was that kind of guy but unlike those two he is a project and I don’t think he is ready to contribute right away and might not be able to for 2 years.. I don’t see the skill set that Siakam and Giannis had as rookies (2 guys he was compared to prior to draft). He is young like Giannis but he doesn’t have the freakish vision, ball handling and passing skills that Giannis had even when he was only 6-9 and too skinny as a rookie to log big minutes. I’m glad Danny passed even though he may be exactly what we need in 2 years if he pans out.
Romeo is clearly another in the mold of Avery - Jaylan - Jayson in that he was high on radar for years before his disappointing freshman season. I think by mid season he could be ready to step in and give team a boost - however he probably won’t get the opportunity given depth.

Disinformation wrote:sam_I_am wrote:sully00 wrote:
I would argue we only had one guard under contract going into the draft. Now we might have 4 SF's that you are hoping to play some guard besides Smart I am not sure who under contract is a guard prior to the draft.
I think the team views Tatum as a PF long term so the urgency we have for a PF of the future they don't necessarily see. It would be good to have added a big no doubt and I was behind that but I also understand what Ainge did here. A play making guard has value to this roster and at #14 you just take the best player available I would have been fine with Sekou if he was the best player on their board my guess he wasn't.
For all the talk about Williams as undersized so are Sekou and Clarke, we are talking about 3 guys with a 6'11" wingspan. Clarke and Sekou are much more athletic than Williams but Williams is much stronger and more skliled. So if your concern is that the current roster needs help up front Williams actually has a better chance of addressing that than Sekou or Clarke.
I definitely would have loved the Celtics to draft a Siakam/OG pair of tough versatile PFs. I was hoping Sekou was that kind of guy but unlike those two he is a project and I don’t think he is ready to contribute right away and might not be able to for 2 years.. I don’t see the skill set that Siakam and Giannis had as rookies (2 guys he was compared to prior to draft). He is young like Giannis but he doesn’t have the freakish vision, ball handling and passing skills that Giannis had even when he was only 6-9 and too skinny as a rookie to log big minutes. I’m glad Danny passed even though he may be exactly what we need in 2 years if he pans out.
Romeo is clearly another in the mold of Avery - Jaylan - Jayson in that he was high on radar for years before his disappointing freshman season. I think by mid season he could be ready to step in and give team a boost - however he probably won’t get the opportunity given depth.
This is incredibly short sighted. You really think we're competing for a title any time in the next two years?
Disinformation wrote:sam_I_am wrote:sully00 wrote:
I would argue we only had one guard under contract going into the draft. Now we might have 4 SF's that you are hoping to play some guard besides Smart I am not sure who under contract is a guard prior to the draft.
I think the team views Tatum as a PF long term so the urgency we have for a PF of the future they don't necessarily see. It would be good to have added a big no doubt and I was behind that but I also understand what Ainge did here. A play making guard has value to this roster and at #14 you just take the best player available I would have been fine with Sekou if he was the best player on their board my guess he wasn't.
For all the talk about Williams as undersized so are Sekou and Clarke, we are talking about 3 guys with a 6'11" wingspan. Clarke and Sekou are much more athletic than Williams but Williams is much stronger and more skliled. So if your concern is that the current roster needs help up front Williams actually has a better chance of addressing that than Sekou or Clarke.
I definitely would have loved the Celtics to draft a Siakam/OG pair of tough versatile PFs. I was hoping Sekou was that kind of guy but unlike those two he is a project and I don’t think he is ready to contribute right away and might not be able to for 2 years.. I don’t see the skill set that Siakam and Giannis had as rookies (2 guys he was compared to prior to draft). He is young like Giannis but he doesn’t have the freakish vision, ball handling and passing skills that Giannis had even when he was only 6-9 and too skinny as a rookie to log big minutes. I’m glad Danny passed even though he may be exactly what we need in 2 years if he pans out.
Romeo is clearly another in the mold of Avery - Jaylan - Jayson in that he was high on radar for years before his disappointing freshman season. I think by mid season he could be ready to step in and give team a boost - however he probably won’t get the opportunity given depth.
This is incredibly short sighted. You really think we're competing for a title any time in the next two years?
sully00 wrote:Disinformation wrote:sam_I_am wrote:
I definitely would have loved the Celtics to draft a Siakam/OG pair of tough versatile PFs. I was hoping Sekou was that kind of guy but unlike those two he is a project and I don’t think he is ready to contribute right away and might not be able to for 2 years.. I don’t see the skill set that Siakam and Giannis had as rookies (2 guys he was compared to prior to draft). He is young like Giannis but he doesn’t have the freakish vision, ball handling and passing skills that Giannis had even when he was only 6-9 and too skinny as a rookie to log big minutes. I’m glad Danny passed even though he may be exactly what we need in 2 years if he pans out.
Romeo is clearly another in the mold of Avery - Jaylan - Jayson in that he was high on radar for years before his disappointing freshman season. I think by mid season he could be ready to step in and give team a boost - however he probably won’t get the opportunity given depth.
This is incredibly short sighted. You really think we're competing for a title any time in the next two years?
Why not? It isn't like Boston is sitting on their hands. They are going to lose a PF/C on the wrong side of 30 and their All Star PG. If they turn around sign another All Star PG they are in pretty good shape. Now if Tatum and Brown don't develop into All Star caliber players and Hayward doesn't return to form than it might now work out. We could trade for KAT in Dec. of next year for all we know. But guys may also live up to their potential and it could be really good.
I expect Langford to get mins and hopefully he can create a some value out of that #14 pick add that to Memphis Pick and you now have some young assets that might make a trade outside of having to use Smart/Tatum/Brown or make it easier to deal Brown or Smart if the right deal comes along.

Curmudgeon wrote:Things are never as bad as they seem or as good as they seem.
Gomes3PC wrote:All depends on how the FA market goes. If Kemba signs then hard to see Romeo finding a role. If we miss on him I suspect Ainge will flip to signing a couple mid tier guys on short contracts to maintain max flexibility. In that scenario, I could certainly see Langford earning his way into some rotation minutes and the org/staff taking a longer view of development over maximizing immediate win %.
The above almost exactly true for Timelord. If we press to go now, I expect us to aggressively pursue veteran bigs willing to sign for short money. If not, Williams should get a shot to play at worst similar minutes to Theis last year.