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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1921 » by XtremeDunkz » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:29 am

PhilasFinest wrote:Considering we are going to have be creative to add talent to fill out the roster.... I wonder if Isaiah Thomas is someone we could add via the Veteran min, on a 1 year "prove it" deal, and allow him to be the scoring PG off the bench surrounded by athletic defensive minded players.

At this point, im just brainstorming out loud, but we are certainly going to need some type of "scorer" off the bench next to guys like Zhaire/Thybulle.

Maybe Shake makes an impact.


Decent idea but yeah hes definitely toast. The player type im totally with. A Lou Will type off the bench would be huge for this team. You figure Zhaire and the rook will bring defense to the bench, so find a scoring wing for the MLE somehow.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1922 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:34 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:Considering we are going to have be creative to add talent to fill out the roster.... I wonder if Isaiah Thomas is someone we could add via the Veteran min, on a 1 year "prove it" deal, and allow him to be the scoring PG off the bench surrounded by athletic defensive minded players.

At this point, im just brainstorming out loud, but we are certainly going to need some type of "scorer" off the bench next to guys like Zhaire/Thybulle.

Maybe Shake makes an impact.


Decent idea but yeah hes definitely toast. The player type im totally with. A Lou Will type off the bench would be huge for this team. You figure Zhaire and the rook will bring defense to the bench, so find a scoring wing for the MLE somehow.


Well, thats the thing....some seem to want to use the MLE on a backup 5, and were gonna need a PG.

If you can get a scoring PG, you can use Zhaire/Thybulle/Shake off the bench along with a veteran min shooter.

If Isaiah Thomas is toast, ill propose:

1.Jeremy Lin
2.Shabazz Napier
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1923 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:25 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:Considering we are going to have be creative to add talent to fill out the roster.... I wonder if Isaiah Thomas is someone we could add via the Veteran min, on a 1 year "prove it" deal, and allow him to be the scoring PG off the bench surrounded by athletic defensive minded players.

At this point, im just brainstorming out loud, but we are certainly going to need some type of "scorer" off the bench next to guys like Zhaire/Thybulle.

Maybe Shake makes an impact.


Decent idea but yeah hes definitely toast. The player type im totally with. A Lou Will type off the bench would be huge for this team. You figure Zhaire and the rook will bring defense to the bench, so find a scoring wing for the MLE somehow.


Well, thats the thing....some seem to want to use the MLE on a backup 5, and were gonna need a PG.

If you can get a scoring PG, you can use Zhaire/Thybulle/Shake off the bench along with a veteran min shooter.

If Isaiah Thomas is toast, ill propose:

1.Jeremy Lin
2.Shabazz Napier


I am very interested in Jeremy Lin because I think we can get him with a vet min. Which leaves the entire midlevel to find our backup center and a backup wing.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1924 » by PhillyFan11 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:25 am

Cheik Diallo is unrestricted now...wouldn’t hate him as a cheap backup 5 option.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1925 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:42 am

Arsenal wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
Decent idea but yeah hes definitely toast. The player type im totally with. A Lou Will type off the bench would be huge for this team. You figure Zhaire and the rook will bring defense to the bench, so find a scoring wing for the MLE somehow.


Well, thats the thing....some seem to want to use the MLE on a backup 5, and were gonna need a PG.

If you can get a scoring PG, you can use Zhaire/Thybulle/Shake off the bench along with a veteran min shooter.

If Isaiah Thomas is toast, ill propose:

1.Jeremy Lin
2.Shabazz Napier


I am very interested in Jeremy Lin because I think we can get him with a vet min. Which leaves the entire midlevel to find our backup center and a backup wing.


Yea, I think he and Napier could probably be had for a near min deal...Thats why I listed them along with Isaiah Thomas. Im sure the market will dictate how we use our exceptions, but I figured a backup 5 could be a priority with us attempting to manage Embiid's load all season and Bolden in his 2nd year and more of a hybrid 4/5.

Lin also has the benefit of playing for ATL, which runs a similar system.....so he should be somewhat familiar with our system.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1926 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:02 am

PhillyFan11 wrote:Cheik Diallo is unrestricted now...wouldn’t hate him as a cheap backup 5 option.


I don't see us going young for our back-up 5 unless its someone with experience. We already have Bolden entering year 2, so id imagine Brand and co. electing to go with more of a veteran presence.

I think realistic names could be:
Dedmon
Robin Lopez
Ed Davis
Noah Vonleh
KOQ
Gortat

Then again, we could elect to simply bring back Boban....but after seeing him get exposed in the playoffs, id find it tough to trust him as your top backup to JoJo.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1927 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:17 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
PhillyFan11 wrote:Cheik Diallo is unrestricted now...wouldn’t hate him as a cheap backup 5 option.


I don't see us going young for our back-up 5 unless its someone with experience. We already have Bolden entering year 2, so id imagine Brand and co. electing to go with more of a veteran presence.

I think realistic names could be:
Dedmon
Robin Lopez
Ed Davis
Noah Vonleh
KOQ
Gortat

Then again, we could elect to simply bring back Boban....but after seeing him get exposed in the playoffs, id find it tough to trust him as your top backup to JoJo.


One guy I'm highly interested in is Maxi Kleber from the Mavs. But he's an RFA so I believe any reasonable contract will get matched. They'll try to use all their cap space first then resign him w/bird rights over the cap. If we can sign him up right away in FA for half the MLE ($4.7M 1st year) they may have to let him go so as not to lose cap.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1928 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:21 am

After we move Simmons for Booker, it will be too weird for Vince and Devin to have to play together after the whole elbow incident.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1929 » by Black Mage » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:22 am

I've been playing around with Sham's capulator and if I did it right here are some moves and final roster that I came up with. Moves occur in this order.

Resign: JJ.

Trade: Bolden, 1-2 second rounders, trade exceptions for Dario & Fultz to Spurs for Poeltl and Forbes.

Resign: Jimmy and Tobias

MLE: Jeremy Lamb

Bi-annual LE: try to swing for Beverley or Noah Vonleh

Roster:

1 Embiid
2 SImmons
3 Jimmy (30 mil per)
4 Tobias (28 mil per)
5 JJ (10 or 11 mil per)
6 Lamb
7 Beverley/Vonleh
8 Zhaire
9 Thybulle
10 Forbes
11 Poeltl
12 Scott
13 Shake
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1930 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:24 am

Another big to look at is Daniel Theis of the Celtics. If they want to use their cap to sign a MAX guy like Kemba Walker they may not be able to match an offer. He's only 6'8" so more of a PF really, but I suppose he could play some small ball center for us at times. Then get another center for cheap like Kyle O'Quinn.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1931 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:33 am

Black Mage wrote:I've been playing around with Sham's capulator and if I did it right here are some moves and final roster that I came up with. Moves occur in this order.

Resign: JJ.

Trade: Bolden, 1-2 second rounders, trade exceptions for Dario & Fultz to Spurs for Poeltl and Forbes.

Resign: Jimmy and Tobias

MLE: Jeremy Lamb

Bi-annual LE: try to swing for Beverley or Noah Vonleh

Roster:

1 Embiid
2 SImmons
3 Jimmy (30 mil per)
4 Tobias (28 mil per)
5 JJ (10 or 11 mil per)
6 Lamb
7 Beverley/Vonleh
8 Zhaire
9 Thybulle
10 Forbes
11 Poeltl
12 Scott
13 Shake


1. Why would the Spurs dump Poeltl and Forbes?
2.Woj,Lowe and many others are saying with all the cap space, Beverley could be looking at a 10-15M a year contract after last year in LA....HIGHLY doubt were getting him for the BAE.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1932 » by FlyingArrow » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:35 am

PhilasFinest wrote:Then again, we could elect to simply bring back Boban....but after seeing him get exposed in the playoffs, id find it tough to trust him as your top backup to JoJo.


Not as the top backup, but he's worth bringing back as a 3rd string center if he'll sign for about $3M or less. 123-107 Ortg/Drtg, 24.2 PER. .663 TS%. Those are elite numbers. So he can't play against Toronto in the playoffs. We'll need someone else to fill that role. But we also need to win a whole bunch of games while Joel is resting during the regular season, and Boban dominates most opposing benches. Nobody else is going to produce those numbers for that kind of salary - even against bench units. Especially someone whose salary isn't going to eat into the MLE/BAE since we can re-sign our own guy.

As an aside... Boban went 4/10 this year from 3pt range (none heaves). If he really adds a 3pt shot to his game, he becomes even more valuable. Dedmon and Brook Lopez are both centers who suddenly learned a 3pt shot at age 28/29. Boban will be 31 next year - so it isn't an impossibility.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1933 » by 76ciology » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:52 am

Again.. why do we want Pat bev?

Ben and Jimmy dont have enough PG minutes to share that TJ doesnt even play anymore.

If you just want a 3&D guy, get a cheaper 3&D wing
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Post#1934 » by 76ciology » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:53 am

Btw, my gut feel tells me TJ is gone. Dunno. I just have this conspiracy theory that people are selling themselves whenever they become guests on Woj podcast
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1935 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 am

76ciology wrote:Again.. why do we want Pat bev?

Ben and Jimmy dont have enough PG minutes to share that TJ doesnt even play anymore.

If you just want a 3&D guy, get a cheaper 3&D wing


I think Beverley kinda gives you the option of playing both 1/2 due to his defense....So your kind of adding a 3/D combo guard.

I think he is going to be out of our price range anyways....Someone will pay him 10-15M with all this cap room out there.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1936 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:59 am

FlyingArrow wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:Then again, we could elect to simply bring back Boban....but after seeing him get exposed in the playoffs, id find it tough to trust him as your top backup to JoJo.


Not as the top backup, but he's worth bringing back as a 3rd string center if he'll sign for about $3M or less. 123-107 Ortg/Drtg, 24.2 PER. .663 TS%. Those are elite numbers. So he can't play against Toronto in the playoffs. We'll need someone else to fill that role. But we also need to win a whole bunch of games while Joel is resting during the regular season, and Boban dominates most opposing benches. Nobody else is going to produce those numbers for that kind of salary - even against bench units. Especially someone whose salary isn't going to eat into the MLE/BAE since we can re-sign our own guy.

As an aside... Boban went 4/10 this year from 3pt range (none heaves). If he really adds a 3pt shot to his game, he becomes even more valuable. Dedmon and Brook Lopez are both centers who suddenly learned a 3pt shot at age 28/29. Boban will be 31 next year - so it isn't an impossibility.


I'm happy to have Bobi back if he comes cheap as the 3rd string center. But we also need a guy we can rely on in the playoffs who won't get run off the floor. That means it would be good if the 2nd guy can play some PF next to Embiid along w/being the backup Center. That's why I'd look at guys like Maxi Kleber or even bringing Mike Muscala back.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1937 » by Black Mage » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:59 am

76ciology wrote:Btw, my gut feel tells me TJ is gone. Dunno. I just have this conspiracy theory that people are selling themselves whenever they become guests on Woj podcast


Bev is an elite on-ball guard defender. He can take the pressure off Jimmy and Simmons or gives us 2 guard defender lineups. He also wasn't a ball handling PG for the Clippers, Shai was their playmaker, he was used offball.

As for TJ, that's been common knowledge for like 3 or 4 moths now. You're a bit behind on that one.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1938 » by Black Mage » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:01 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
76ciology wrote:Again.. why do we want Pat bev?

Ben and Jimmy dont have enough PG minutes to share that TJ doesnt even play anymore.

If you just want a 3&D guy, get a cheaper 3&D wing


I think Beverley kinda gives you the option of playing both 1/2 due to his defense....So your kind of adding a 3/D combo guard.

I think he is going to be out of our price range anyways....Someone will pay him 10-15M with all this cap room out there.


The pitch would be come win a ring. But I acknowledge he's a long shot if the money is out there. That's why I also listed Vonleh who may not be offered a significant contract. Having Bev would be a bit of a luxury given the roster I put together, Vonleh would had valuable depth at the PF/C spots.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1939 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:05 am

Arsenal wrote:
FlyingArrow wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:Then again, we could elect to simply bring back Boban....but after seeing him get exposed in the playoffs, id find it tough to trust him as your top backup to JoJo.


Not as the top backup, but he's worth bringing back as a 3rd string center if he'll sign for about $3M or less. 123-107 Ortg/Drtg, 24.2 PER. .663 TS%. Those are elite numbers. So he can't play against Toronto in the playoffs. We'll need someone else to fill that role. But we also need to win a whole bunch of games while Joel is resting during the regular season, and Boban dominates most opposing benches. Nobody else is going to produce those numbers for that kind of salary - even against bench units. Especially someone whose salary isn't going to eat into the MLE/BAE since we can re-sign our own guy.

As an aside... Boban went 4/10 this year from 3pt range (none heaves). If he really adds a 3pt shot to his game, he becomes even more valuable. Dedmon and Brook Lopez are both centers who suddenly learned a 3pt shot at age 28/29. Boban will be 31 next year - so it isn't an impossibility.


I'm happy to have Bobi back if he comes cheap as the 3rd string center. But we also need a guy we can rely on in the playoffs who won't get run off the floor. That means it would be good if the 2nd guy can play some PF next to Embiid along w/being the backup Center. That's why I'd look at guys like Maxi Kleber or even bringing Mike Muscala back.


I like Kleber, he can hit 3's and block shots.....but then again, we have a kid developing that also fits that dual 5/4 mold in Jonah Bolden.....so hopefully he improves over the Summer and can give you more consistent production off the bench without fouling out
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1940 » by Negrodamus » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:12 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
PhillyFan11 wrote:Cheik Diallo is unrestricted now...wouldn’t hate him as a cheap backup 5 option.


I don't see us going young for our back-up 5 unless its someone with experience. We already have Bolden entering year 2, so id imagine Brand and co. electing to go with more of a veteran presence.

I think realistic names could be:
Dedmon
Robin Lopez
Ed Davis
Noah Vonleh
KOQ
Gortat

Then again, we could elect to simply bring back Boban....but after seeing him get exposed in the playoffs, id find it tough to trust him as your top backup to JoJo.


I'm actually on team Diallo too. He played well toward the end of the year and seems to have improved quite a bit each year. Give the duality of PF/C. Probably a cheap option too.

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