Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Bum Adebayo]

After we move Simmons for Booker, it will be too weird for Vince and Devin to have to play together after the whole elbow incident.

We already traded Simmons man. I think it would have been a decent trade but not complaining.

[brannigan73]

Again.. why do we want Pat bev?

Ben and Jimmy dont have enough PG minutes to share that TJ doesnt even play anymore.

If you just want a 3&D guy, get a cheaper 3&D wing

There are other guys I would want first, because of the reason you mentioned with Butler being able to play PG, but Pat Beverley is a really good player. He is a sold plus player on all the enhanced plus minus type stats the type of players you are mentioning are all negative players most likely just a question of whether you can get a guy that is averageish, mediocre, or awful. We arent going to get a good 3 and D wing cheap that's delusional thinking. Only way they bring a real three and D player in is letting Harris go and going with a cheaper option at pf and use the savings to sign someone like that. If they max Tobias Harris and sign Redick I feel like we will be lucky to get a quality back up center and maybe a guy like Seth Curry and then some filler like a Troy Daniels type someone that can hit a three and sucks at everything else. The money just doesnt work. Those guys are expensive I imagine guys like Danny Green, Terrance Ross, and Jeremy Lamb they are all getting at least 10 million per with a guy like Lamb having a chance to get into the 15 million per year range. Plenty of teams have money to spend there will be no deals.

[Sixersftw]

Man Morey is one thirsty slut and WOJ is carrying all the water for him.

Or... the 76ers leaked the information 1st, because they don't want to pay Butler and they want the fans to believe it was all Jimmy Butler's decision to force a trade to Houston, so the fans won't be surprised or angry.

So you're telling me the guys that have screwed up every possible PR opportunity for the last handful of years and the guys that are too dumb to hide who they are drafting (At 24!) are savvy enough to plant media stories to spin the narrative?

I don't know man, these guys can't handle the basics let alone something with forethought and planning.

[Arsenal]

Not as the top backup, but he's worth bringing back as a 3rd string center if he'll sign for about $3M or less. 123-107 Ortg/Drtg, 24.2 PER. .663 TS%. Those are elite numbers. So he can't play against Toronto in the playoffs. We'll need someone else to fill that role. But we also need to win a whole bunch of games while Joel is resting during the regular season, and Boban dominates most opposing benches. Nobody else is going to produce those numbers for that kind of salary - even against bench units. Especially someone whose salary isn't going to eat into the MLE/BAE since we can re-sign our own guy.

As an aside... Boban went 4/10 this year from 3pt range (none heaves). If he really adds a 3pt shot to his game, he becomes even more valuable. Dedmon and Brook Lopez are both centers who suddenly learned a 3pt shot at age 28/29. Boban will be 31 next year - so it isn't an impossibility.

I'm happy to have Bobi back if he comes cheap as the 3rd string center. But we also need a guy we can rely on in the playoffs who won't get run off the floor. That means it would be good if the 2nd guy can play some PF next to Embiid along w/being the backup Center. That's why I'd look at guys like Maxi Kleber or even bringing Mike Muscala back.

I like Kleber, he can hit 3's and block shots.....but then again, we have a kid developing that also fits that dual 5/4 mold in Jonah Bolden.....so hopefully he improves over the Summer and can give you more consistent production off the bench without fouling out

Kleber would be the ideal. He can play center and provide some defensive anchoring when Embiid sits. And on offense he can play PF and space the floor along with Embiid, or play stretch 5 on a Simmons on / Embiid off unit.

I just don't know if the Mavs will let him get away, or if he'll sign for half the MLE. If we can get him for like 2/$10M that would be big for us.

[PhilasFinest]

I'm happy to have Bobi back if he comes cheap as the 3rd string center. But we also need a guy we can rely on in the playoffs who won't get run off the floor. That means it would be good if the 2nd guy can play some PF next to Embiid along w/being the backup Center. That's why I'd look at guys like Maxi Kleber or even bringing Mike Muscala back.

I like Kleber, he can hit 3's and block shots.....but then again, we have a kid developing that also fits that dual 5/4 mold in Jonah Bolden.....so hopefully he improves over the Summer and can give you more consistent production off the bench without fouling out

Kleber would be the ideal. He can play center and provide some defensive anchoring when Embiid sits. And on offense he can play PF and space the floor along with Embiid, or play stretch 5 on a Simmons on / Embiid off unit.

I just don't know if the Mavs will let him get away, or if he'll sign for half the MLE. If we can get him for like 2/$10M that would be big for us.

Right,But my main point is..... is there really THAT big of a difference between Kleber/Bolden to warrant spending 5M a year on a likely cap restricted team in the lux? Wouldn't we be better off allocating that towards something else when we have someone comparable with more upside?

Bolden shot just as good from 3 in his rookie season as Kleber did (35%) and actually projects to be a better shot blocker and rebounder given the minutes.

I just think were gonna have to utilize our exceptions for legitimate, guaranteed role players.

[76ciology]

Ive gone cold on Boban. I think we should explore finding a guy who can play C with Biid despite any match-ups. Boban is just not playable against top teams in the league. He was just the perfect back-up C against the Nets

[76ciology]

Btw, my gut feel tells me TJ is gone. Dunno. I just have this conspiracy theory that people are selling themselves whenever they become guests on Woj podcast

Bev is an elite on-ball guard defender. He can take the pressure off Jimmy and Simmons or gives us 2 guard defender lineups. He also wasn't a ball handling PG for the Clippers, Shai was their playmaker, he was used offball.

As for TJ, that's been common knowledge for like 3 or 4 moths now. You're a bit behind on that one.

Having Jimmy and Ben guarding opponent’s PG for 48 minutes give us a big advantage. We can exploit opponents’ PG on the other end.

[76ciology]

Again.. why do we want Pat bev?

Ben and Jimmy dont have enough PG minutes to share that TJ doesnt even play anymore.

If you just want a 3&D guy, get a cheaper 3&D wing

There are other guys I would want first, because of the reason you mentioned with Butler being able to play PG, but Pat Beverley is a really good player. He is a sold plus player on all the enhanced plus minus type stats the type of players you are mentioning are all negative players most likely just a question of whether you can get a guy that is averageish, mediocre, or awful. We arent going to get a good 3 and D wing cheap that's delusional thinking. Only way they bring a real three and D player in is letting Harris go and going with a cheaper option at pf and use the savings to sign someone like that. If they max Tobias Harris and sign Redick I feel like we will be lucky to get a quality back up center and maybe a guy like Seth Curry and then some filler like a Troy Daniels type someone that can hit a three and sucks at everything else. The money just doesnt work. Those guys are expensive I imagine guys like Danny Green, Terrance Ross, and Jeremy Lamb they are all getting at least 10 million per with a guy like Lamb having a chance to get into the 15 million per year range. Plenty of teams have money to spend there will be no deals.

Once we max Tobi and re-sign Jj. We need to be more careful where we allot our tight budget. And for me the first position to fill is the back-up and the last position to fill is the PG position. That is unless you are projecting either Butler to walk away or we trade Ben at some point.

[Jams60]

My official free agency prediction: We will bring everyone back, but fail to land significant bench pieces because other teams will offer more money and/or more playing time and the potential to crack a starting lineup. So it won't be disaster scenario, but won't be best case either. We head into the season with a loaded starting lineup, but a nothing bench yet again.

Hope we can at least lure a Collison or Hill with someone like Vonleh.

My thoughts exactly. I actually think this has been the plan all along and the draft was more confirmation. Just listen to Brands comments.
I’d actually like this, even better if we can add a cheap Embiid backup. That gives us to February to develop the big 5 combination some more, and to see who of the inexperienced (Bolden, Smith, Shake) and the recent draftees are going to be able to contribute. A breakout year from any of the three mentioned would be huge for us in this scenario.
We then trade mid year for title chasers for fit or injury.

[The Future]

Anyone hearing any rumblings of Ben Simmons being traded?

[Lovetron Joe]

Anyone hearing any rumblings of Ben Simmons being traded?

None.

[USWAY]

Knicks just declined to tender Luke Kornet. Anyone interested? Stretch 5 who can protect the rum, but too slow footed to work with Embiid.

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[BarkleyFan]

Anyone hearing any rumblings of Ben Simmons being traded?

Are you saying:

1) you've heard he is being traded. If so, I'm sure we would all love to know where and for whom.
or
2) you are wondering if the Sixers would explore the option of trading him.

[hookshot199]

If Butler and the 76ers were open to the trade scenario -- and there's yet to be a formal indication the team or Butler are interested --

LOL at woj...so what we're talking about?

It's not woj, it's daryl morey

It's genius. Blowing up the squad because it cant go any further by pretending to their season ticket holders that they're clearing cap space for an imaginary sign and trade. Rockets want those picks to rebuild, not to give them to us at all. Fun to think about, though.

The question is: Do they have to do anything? Golden State is effectively out next season with Durant down or out of Oakland. So then, can their current team beat Denver? Can the Lakers sign a third max? Or, still not clear but probably 50:50, can the Clippers sign Kawhi?

One thing I found relevant in yesterday's Woj/Zach Lowe's reporting is that Morey is trying to parse out Capella, Gordon and Tucker which means he's trying to find value for us in Capella. For instance, would Boston, now in the market for a center and, apparently, Kemba Walker, take Capella for Jaylen Brown OR Smart and a pick of some sort.

So we would receive Brown or Smart (both under team control for several years (longer in the case of Brown), both good defensive players), perhaps Gordon (he could replace JJ for a year) and Tucker for two years if we want him. This is a concept without crunching numbers. It wouldn't affect our signing of Tobias.

Just my thoughts.

[Sixersftw]

Ive gone cold on Boban. I think we should explore finding a guy who can play C with Biid despite any match-ups. Boban is just not playable against top teams in the league. He was just the perfect back-up C against the Nets

Well, the nets didn't really have a backup C so anything with a pulse worked, though Bobi is very skilled despite his athletic limitation. Boban doesn't work in the modern NBA. He's just too immobile.

[Sixerscan]

Ive gone cold on Boban. I think we should explore finding a guy who can play C with Biid despite any match-ups. Boban is just not playable against top teams in the league. He was just the perfect back-up C against the Nets

Well, the nets didn't really have a backup C so anything with a pulse worked, though Bobi is very skilled despite his athletic limitation. Boban doesn't work in the modern NBA. He's just too immobile.

I think the Sixers sign someone over Boban.

Best case is Bolden figuring it out though.

[fl311]

Have no issues if Boston let’s Rozier leave and signs Kemba. Do it Danny

[LloydFree]

Man Morey is one thirsty slut and WOJ is carrying all the water for him.

Or... the 76ers leaked the information 1st, because they don't want to pay Butler and they want the fans to believe it was all Jimmy Butler's decision to force a trade to Houston, so the fans won't be surprised or angry.

So you're telling me the guys that have screwed up every possible PR opportunity for the last handful of years and the guys that are too dumb to hide who they are drafting (At 24!) are savvy enough to plant media stories to spin the narrative?

I don't know man, these guys can't handle the basics let alone something with forethought and planning.

You can believe they're dumb if you want. Sports franchises spin stories all of the time. That's why there is a PR department. Stuff like this happens before every trade to prepare the fanbase, especially when it's a popular player. You really think Woj and Shams have some anonymous deep throat connection in EVERY organization that's tipping transactions? Woj is talking directly to PR staff about this stuff.

The 76ers this story. It serves them more to have this come out than it serves Houston. Conditions the fans and it let's a Miami know to get in on this.

[Sixerscan]

:nod:

Or... the 76ers leaked the information 1st, because they don't want to pay Butler and they want the fans to believe it was all Jimmy Butler's decision to force a trade to Houston, so the fans won't be surprised or angry.

So you're telling me the guys that have screwed up every possible PR opportunity for the last handful of years and the guys that are too dumb to hide who they are drafting (At 24!) are savvy enough to plant media stories to spin the narrative?

I don't know man, these guys can't handle the basics let alone something with forethought and planning.

You can believe they're dumb if you want. Sports franchises spin stories all of the time. That's why there is a PR department. Stuff like this happens before every trade to prepare the fanbase, especially when it's a popular player. You really think Woj and Shams have some anonymous deep throat connection in EVERY organization that's tipping transactions? Would is talking directly to PR staff about this stuff.

The 76ers this story. It serves them more to have this come out than it serves Houston. Conditions the fans and it let's a Miami know to get in on this.

Maybe, there’s a pretty long history of Morey leaking far fetched rumors like this.

[sixers hoops]

Anyone hearing any rumblings of Ben Simmons being traded?

None.

I also haven’t heard anything. But an account called Sixers Saturdays is saying an absolute bombshell is about to drop. I doubt the guy is credible, but I couldn’t help but to scroll through the comments and see all the Ben trade speculation.