Future Free Agent Thread

[KqWIN]

The Rubio maneuver changes the calculus of our off-season. Let's just say that we know we can pull it off.

W/Favors - $9.2 and $3.6
w/o Favors - $17.6 and $ 4.7

If there's a player worth all of the $17, then waive Favors. If the plan is to break up the $17M into two players, the opportunity cost of Favors is $8.4 and the $1.1 difference between the BAE and Room MLE. That is a price that's appropriate for Favors IMO.

If the Rubio maneuver goes down, it's better that we keep Favors. If not, I don't think we should.

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HOLEEE ****! This summer has the potential to turn into second 2016. Give teams some new $-munition and watch them shoot themselves in the foot with it.

[SoCalJazzFan]

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HOLEEE ****! This summer has the potential to turn into second 2016. Give teams some new $-munition and watch them shoot themselves in the foot with it.

Yeah, I saw that too. Not sure that Mirotic will go for as low as some here predict.

The Jazz should have grabbed Belly when the could, as many on here were proponents of. Trading Favors for Belly is interesting.

The Celtics need a center, but their cap space might get eaten up by Kemba (I smile every time I see a max player rumored to a team in the east). If the Hornets relent and give him his money, I wonder what we could get out of the Celtics for Favors.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Here's the final Dunc'd on mock for the Jazz:

-trade Favors to Boston for fake 2nd
-give Favors' money to Mirotic (3/55)
-sign Ed Davis for 2/10 with second year player option
-MEM trades Crowder to GSW for 1st round pick and Shaun Livingston

Roster ended up being:
PG Mike Conley, Raul Neto, Justin Wright-Foreman
SG Donovan Mitchell, Dante Exum, ???
SF Joe Ingles, Royce O'Neale, Miye Oni
PF Nikola Mirotic, Georges Niang, Jarrell Brantley
C Rudy Gobert, Ed Davis, Tony Bradley

Thoughts?

Second round exit.

I'm not so sure. That playoff rotation of 7 or 8 has a good mix of scoring and defense. Depth is thin, though.

[AingesBurner]

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HOLEEE ****! This summer has the potential to turn into second 2016. Give teams some new $-munition and watch them shoot themselves in the foot with it.

Yeah, I saw that too. Not sure that Mirotic will go for as low as some here predict.

The Jazz should have grabbed Belly when the could, as many on here were proponents of. Trading Favors for Belly is interesting.

The Celtics need a center, but their cap space might get eaten up by Kemba (I smile every time I see a max player rumored to a team in the east). If the Hornets relent and give him his money, I wonder what we could get out of the Celtics for Favors.

Jaylen Brown or no deal

[Daddy 801]

I’m officially bipolar on the Favs issue. I just listened to the SLC dunk podcast and they were talking about a spaced floor and how much better everyone on the team could be. If we really are going for it I think we have to get a spacing PF or a bunch of big wings who will help space the floor. It’s a high risk and high reward move. It’s what is needed though. We know 100% Quinn’s system gives a bajillion open looks so if we get the players in place who can knock down shots the offense will explode.

And on top of that I think the defense can be somewhat sustainable if we improve our offense. If the team can make 3-4 more shots a game that is also 3-4 more possessions that the Jazz get a team in the half court which is where they are best. So even if our defense isn’t quite as good, we will get more opportunities to play to our strengths.

My guess is we could improve the offense by about 5 points which would of been the number three offense last year. And I bet the defense gets about 2 points worse if we have to give up Favors and get lesser defensive players. Which would take us from the fourth best defense to about the 8-10th best defense. If the Jazz can do that over the course of the year, and then up the amount of minutes played in the playoffs the Jazz could up the defense numbers and we have a team that’s almost top 5 in both categories. The team +/- numbers would be pretty similar to Toronto who were the 8th best offense and the 9th best defense. I think the Jazz could be that good, or better.

Sorry Favs. I love ya. But we need a spaced floor. All of Conley, Donovan, Ingles, and Gobert will have better offensive numbers with a spaced floor.

[Gert42]

Here's the final Dunc'd on mock for the Jazz:

-trade Favors to Boston for fake 2nd
-give Favors' money to Mirotic (3/55)
-sign Ed Davis for 2/10 with second year player option
-MEM trades Crowder to GSW for 1st round pick and Shaun Livingston

Roster ended up being:
PG Mike Conley, Raul Neto, Justin Wright-Foreman
SG Donovan Mitchell, Dante Exum, ???
SF Joe Ingles, Royce O'Neale, Miye Oni
PF Nikola Mirotic, Georges Niang, Jarrell Brantley
C Rudy Gobert, Ed Davis, Tony Bradley

Thoughts?

Conceptually, I don't hate moving on from Favors if it means we can sign someone long term. That said I was a little shocked at the number they came in on with Mirotic (although,like others have said with the amount of money out there, I think it takes at least $15 million to sign him)

I like Ed Davis a lot as a second unit center,

[KqWIN]

If (when) we keep Favors, I hope we at least explore other avenues to make it work other than Favors standing in a corner. The faux spacing might work in the regular season, but teams are seriously going to exploit that come playoff time.

Favs needs to have a specific matchup where his defensive value is heightened (LeBron maybe) or he needs to be allowed to attack the glass.

[SoCalJazzFan]

If (when) we keep Favors, I hope we at least explore other avenues to make it work other than Favors standing in a corner. The faux spacing might work in the regular season, but teams are seriously going to exploit that come playoff time.

Favs needs to have a specific matchup where his defensive value is heightened (LeBron maybe) or he needs to be allowed to attack the glass.

Dream on. One of my bigger frustrations with Favors is that the Jazz don't play to his strengths, such as rim rolling, or getting offensive rebounds often enough. Quin has his system, and hasn't shown much or any willingness to change it to accommodate Favors.

[SoCalJazzFan]

If (when) we keep Favors, I hope we at least explore other avenues to make it work other than Favors standing in a corner. The faux spacing might work in the regular season, but teams are seriously going to exploit that come playoff time.

Favs needs to have a specific matchup where his defensive value is heightened (LeBron maybe) or he needs to be allowed to attack the glass.

Dream on. One of my bigger frustrations with Favors is that the Jazz don't play to his strengths, such as rim rolling, or getting offensive rebounds often enough. Quin has his system, and hasn't shown much or any willingness to change it to accommodate Favors.

[KqWIN]

If (when) we keep Favors, I hope we at least explore other avenues to make it work other than Favors standing in a corner. The faux spacing might work in the regular season, but teams are seriously going to exploit that come playoff time.

Favs needs to have a specific matchup where his defensive value is heightened (LeBron maybe) or he needs to be allowed to attack the glass.

Dream on. One of my bigger frustrations with Favors is that the Jazz don't play to his strengths, such as rim rolling, or getting offensive rebounds often enough. Quin has his system, and hasn't shown much or any willingness to change it to accommodate Favors.

I'm with you on the offensive rebounding, but I don't think you can have two rim running C's on the court at the same time. If Favs is rim running, Rudy's man is always going to be there and he'll be able to guard both at once. There's just not enough room. Too easy for the defense to wall off the paint.

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You know what? I'm in... lets do it. I'm sick of watching people blaming players for not fitting, coaches for not having the balls to bench players that supposedly don't deserve to be on the floor. I'm sick of this search of the perfect fit BS. We fixed the PG fit... I don't want another year where we scapegoat a player that doesn't deserve it. Let Favors go and lets see what this team can do without any excuses and without scapegoats to blame. Lets see what this team can do with the perfect fitting players that are supposed to solve all/most our problems.

Waive Favors. Get Mirotic for as little money as possible and lets go.

[Daddy 801]

Nerlens Noel opting out. He could be a good Rudy backup. Athletic enough to roll to the rim. All we need is decent defense, ability to set screens, and ability to roll and dunk. No idea what he will cost.

[AingesBurner]

Tony Jones said Utah was the front runner for Tobias before the Conley trade, if we can make space I say we still are with Conley.

[KqWIN]

You know what? I'm in... lets do it. I'm sick of watching people blaming players for not fitting, coaches for not having the balls to bench players that supposedly don't deserve to be on the floor. I'm sick of this search of the perfect fit BS. We fixed the PG fit... I don't want another year where we scapegoat a player that doesn't deserve it. Let Favors go and lets see what this team can do without any excuses and without scapegoats to blame. Lets see what this team can do with the perfect fitting players that are supposed to solve all/most our problems.

Waive Favors. Get Mirotic for as little money as possible and lets go.

Already saw this in 16/17.

PS: No one ever said it's Favs fault. We just don't need to make backup C are biggest priority, especially when we're about to make Gobert the highest paid player ever.

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You know what? I'm in... lets do it. I'm sick of watching people blaming players for not fitting, coaches for not having the balls to bench players that supposedly don't deserve to be on the floor. I'm sick of this search of the perfect fit BS. We fixed the PG fit... I don't want another year where we scapegoat a player that doesn't deserve it. Let Favors go and lets see what this team can do without any excuses and without scapegoats to blame. Lets see what this team can do with the perfect fitting players that are supposed to solve all/most our problems.

Waive Favors. Get Mirotic for as little money as possible and lets go.

Already saw this in 16/17.

Favors+Gobert were +11 in 16/17...
And Favors won us a playoff series on one leg in 16/17...

[KqWIN]

You know what? I'm in... lets do it. I'm sick of watching people blaming players for not fitting, coaches for not having the balls to bench players that supposedly don't deserve to be on the floor. I'm sick of this search of the perfect fit BS. We fixed the PG fit... I don't want another year where we scapegoat a player that doesn't deserve it. Let Favors go and lets see what this team can do without any excuses and without scapegoats to blame. Lets see what this team can do with the perfect fitting players that are supposed to solve all/most our problems.

Waive Favors. Get Mirotic for as little money as possible and lets go.

Already saw this in 16/17.

Favors+Gobert were +11 in 16/17...
And Favors won us a playoff series on one leg in 16/17...

Everyone with Gobert+Hayward was really good that year. As always, even if you think Favors+Gobert is the god lineup, Quin won't play it. I'm sorry you think that this is an attack on Favors, but this is an attack on two C's. Whether you believe they can play or not, Quin does not. There's no scapegoating here, just a giant hole at the PF position which the team needs to address.

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Everyone with Gobert+Hayward was really good that year. As always, even if you think Favors+Gobert is the god lineup, Quin won't play it. I'm sorry you think that this is an attack on Favors, but this is an attack on two C's. Whether you believe they can play or not, Quin does not. There's no scapegoating here, just a giant hole at the PF position which the team needs to address.

Yep... lets just get it over with. We've wasted way too much time on this whole thing... Can't stomach another year with the same old arguments over and over and over. Favors would probably be better off too. He deserves to start and have his own front court.

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[SoCalJazzFan]

If what Favors agent said is true, the Jazz realize the misfit, and Favors' contract is insurance not to be left empty handed when the music stops.