Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[WindyCityBorn]

If Minnesota really thinks they can get Russell, and they think they have to make moves to keep Towns, I love the Bulls jumping in to absorb contracts for assets

Minnesota trades: Teague, Dieng, Okogie, 2020 1st rounder

Chicago trades: Felicio, Dunn, Valentine

Bulls take on a TON of salary for 2 assets. But what’s great here is Teague and Dieng are serviceable backups, they aren’t unplayable like Felicio. And they fill positions of need.

White, Teague, Arch
Lavine, Okogie
Otto, Hutch
Lauri, Dieng
WCJ, Dieng

Bulls fill positions of need and gets assets out of it.

There is no way the Bulls do that.

Really? I thought it was too leaning towards the Bulls. Hmm, I’ll throw it up on the trade board and see.

Taking on Dieng's horrible contract and Teague is not worth those assets IMO. Send us Culver for that ****.

[DanTown8587]

There is no way the Bulls do that.

Really? I thought it was too leaning towards the Bulls. Hmm, I’ll throw it up on the trade board and see.

Taking on Dieng's horrible contract and Teague is not worth those assets IMO. Send us Culver for that ****.

I think I would try to red paper clip my way to expiring deal for Felicio

Felicio for Dieng, 2020 2nd, 2022 2nd

Why for Minnesota: Saves them cap and what do they care if the backup to Towns is good or just sucks if they can get $8 million
Why for Chicago: They move from overpaid and should be teetering out of the league to overpaid and solidly in the league. Also get two seconds for their trouble.

Then I call up Washington and offer

Dieng, Dunn, 2020 2nd (better of Chi/Minnesota) for Ian Mahimni

Why for the Wizards: They lose 2020 cap but they also are fairly capped out (especially if they spend any in 2019) and they get a decent look at Dunn (who sucks, but they might not know that) for an expiring contract of a big
Why for the Bulls: They get expiring for Dieng, find a home for Dunn

Wizards could just say "**** that, we're good" but I tend to think they won't pass on a two year deal for a rotation player considering their cap.

[WindyCityBorn]

Really? I thought it was too leaning towards the Bulls. Hmm, I’ll throw it up on the trade board and see.

Taking on Dieng's horrible contract and Teague is not worth those assets IMO. Send us Culver for that ****.

I think I would try to red paper clip my way to expiring deal for Felicio

Felicio for Dieng, 2020 2nd, 2022 2nd

Why for Minnesota: Saves them cap and what do they care if the backup to Towns is good or just sucks if they can get $8 million
Why for Chicago: They move from overpaid and should be teetering out of the league to overpaid and solidly in the league. Also get two seconds for their trouble.

Then I call up Washington and offer

Dieng, Dunn, 2020 2nd (better of Chi/Minnesota) for Ian Mahimni

Why for the Wizards: They lose 2020 cap but they also are fairly capped out (especially if they spend any in 2019) and they get a decent look at Dunn (who sucks, but they might not know that) for an expiring contract of a big
Why for the Bulls: They get expiring for Dieng, find a home for Dunn

Wizards could just say "**** that, we're good" but I tend to think they won't pass on a two year deal for a rotation player considering their cap.

I'd rather just stretch Felicio than take on Dieng. If the goal is wining a lot more game this season that won't be accomplished by taking on another team's trash. Use that cap space on some solid vets on reasonable contracts. Not contracts that will be regrettable immediately for puny assets.

[sco]

Taking on Dieng's horrible contract and Teague is not worth those assets IMO. Send us Culver for that ****.

I think I would try to red paper clip my way to expiring deal for Felicio

Felicio for Dieng, 2020 2nd, 2022 2nd

Why for Minnesota: Saves them cap and what do they care if the backup to Towns is good or just sucks if they can get $8 million
Why for Chicago: They move from overpaid and should be teetering out of the league to overpaid and solidly in the league. Also get two seconds for their trouble.

Then I call up Washington and offer

Dieng, Dunn, 2020 2nd (better of Chi/Minnesota) for Ian Mahimni

Why for the Wizards: They lose 2020 cap but they also are fairly capped out (especially if they spend any in 2019) and they get a decent look at Dunn (who sucks, but they might not know that) for an expiring contract of a big
Why for the Bulls: They get expiring for Dieng, find a home for Dunn

Wizards could just say "**** that, we're good" but I tend to think they won't pass on a two year deal for a rotation player considering their cap.

I'd rather just stretch Felicio than take on Dieng. If the goal is wining a lot more game this season that won't be accomplished by taking on another team's trash. Use that cap space on some solid vets on reasonable contracts. Not contracts that will be regrettable immediately for puny assets.

Yeah, I think folks confuse how bad Felicio is with how bad his remaining contract is. He'll be paid $8M this year and $7.5M next. That's not remotely as bad as he his play (which is solved by not playing him). Suck it up this year...we weren't landing a max guy I'd want if we didn't have his contract. Next season he's an expiring...next trade deadline, his contract may actually have value.

[DuckIII]

Woj just reported on ESPN TV that the Celtics are the front runners for Kemba Walker. I would enjoy seeing him land there. Especially if they then end up better than any team Kyrie joins.

EDIT: Wrong thread.

[cjbulls]

I think Teague for Dunn makes a lot of sense for the Bulls (welcome home Kris!). Less for Minny as it only gets them halfway to max cap space (they want Russell) and it'll be much harder to move Dieng. Adding Dieng seems nearly impossible unless top-4 protected firsts enter the picture.

[RakimAbdulJabar]

I must be the only one that likes Dieng. Every time I've watched him play he's automatic with the 15ft jumper

[Chicago-Bull-E]

See, let’s look at Beverly, who everyone seems to love.

He is requesting 3yrs/40+ million. We all agree he is better than Teague, but by how much? Is he 21 million dollars better than Teague?

Why not absorb Teague instead, get your 3rd big, dump Felicio, AND pick up a future 1st? I like the look of that much more than Beverly for 3 years and no additional assets.

[ChettheJet]

The LAL seem to have traded some excess pieces to WASH to clear cap space for max deal if they can. WASH adds Wagner.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1861011

So as it relates to the Bulls look at WASH, would they trade Wagner just to drop his salary, does this mean they have no interest in bringing back Portis, would they be more apt to trade Mahinmi for nothing much or Felicio and spread that same $15M over 2 years?

[jordanwilliams6]

There is no way the Bulls do that.

Really? I thought it was too leaning towards the Bulls. Hmm, I’ll throw it up on the trade board and see.

Taking on Dieng's horrible contract and Teague is not worth those assets IMO. Send us Culver for that ****.

Really? We get a first rounder and Okogie which are very good assets. Dunn and Valentine can be serviceable backups but don't have much value.

Look at it this way, Bulls will be looking to sign Taj or something similar to a 2 year $10 mil a year deal. Dieng is a similar player that would be a good backup across the 4 & 5 spots. We already have Felicio on top of that.

Option 1:
Felicio on $8 mil a year for the next 2 years
Taj on $10 mil a year for the next 2 years

Option 2:
Dieng on $17 mil for the next 2 years.

I don't see a huge difference in the talent ability for the same money, assuming Felicio is basically unplayable. Dieng's contract will be a massive expiring next year and potentially a great asset.

[xpmar9x]

If Hou is giving away PJ Tucker I'll take him

[BullsRBest]

I hate Chris Paul and don't want him, his toxic contract, his toxic behavior and toxic whatever else on my team.

He happens to be as big an ass as he carries around..

No thanks.

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Well played and stated!

[sco]

Wonder if MIA would trade James Johnson for Felicio? Saves them some decent dough, would bring back karate man on a decent deal for 2 years.

Maybe include Dunn for Dragic too. That would give MIA $20M+ of cap space to do something with. That would also use up our cap space I think, but we'd get too very productive bench guys and be rid of Felicio and Dunn. Maybe sign Holiday for MLE and a vet C for min, and kick some butt next season.

[panthermark]

Wonder if MIA would trade James Johnson for Felicio? Saves them some decent dough, would bring back karate man on a decent deal for 2 years.

Maybe include Dunn for Dragic too. That would give MIA $20M+ of cap space to do something with. That would also use up our cap space I think, but we'd get too very productive bench guys and be rid of Felicio and Dunn. Maybe sign Holiday for MLE and a vet C for min, and kick some butt next season.

Felicio and Blak-hole-ney for Onlyk, Johnson, and a protected future first? I doubt if they do that...but I would consider it.

Felicio might be semi-popular in Miami....up until the moment he fumbles his first pass.....

Look for Collison or George Hill with the RMLE?

Hill (for now)/White/Archi/Shaq
Zach/Dunn (for now)/Val
Otto/Hutch
Lauri/Johnson
WCJr/Olnyk/Gafford

[WYO]

Wonder if MIA would trade James Johnson for Felicio? Saves them some decent dough, would bring back karate man on a decent deal for 2 years.

Maybe include Dunn for Dragic too. That would give MIA $20M+ of cap space to do something with. That would also use up our cap space I think, but we'd get too very productive bench guys and be rid of Felicio and Dunn. Maybe sign Holiday for MLE and a vet C for min, and kick some butt next season.

I like JJ as that 4 that can play some 3, defend, and shoot the 3 off the bench. Dragic and JJ could make the Bulls a pretty decent team next year.

[gobullschi]

Wonder if MIA would trade James Johnson for Felicio? Saves them some decent dough, would bring back karate man on a decent deal for 2 years.

Maybe include Dunn for Dragic too. That would give MIA $20M+ of cap space to do something with. That would also use up our cap space I think, but we'd get too very productive bench guys and be rid of Felicio and Dunn. Maybe sign Holiday for MLE and a vet C for min, and kick some butt next season.

I would love a Dunn for Dragic swap. Bulls get veteran point guard and Heat take a chance on Dunn while getting out of the luxury tax. Dragic had arthroscopic knee surgery which lead to a down year. Seems like a good buy low candidate.

[Axolotl]

If Orlando does that 90/4 for Vucevic, I wonder if they'd move Mo Bamba, and at what price.

[sco]

If Orlando does that 90/4 for Vucevic, I wonder if they'd move Mo Bamba, and at what price.

Yeah...good point. Would folks do Hutch, Gafford and a top 5 protected 1st?

[mack2354]

A lot of assuming with this next idea. White played as a wing in high school and only played PG his one year in college. Let's say the Bulls view him as an off guard. We sign Beverly with all our cap space on a 2 year deal then sign Rondo for the minimum to play backup PG.

We trade Dunn for Clint Capela so HOU can have cap space to go after Jimmy Butler. Rondo and Capela can get a little lob city two man game going while White works on his game to start after Beverley contract is up.



Beverly - Rondo - Arch
Lavine - White - Shaq - Blakeney
OPJ - Valentine - C. Hutch
Lauri - Vet Min PF
WCJ - Capela - Gafford - Felicio

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[sco]

A lot of assuming with this next idea. White played as a wing in high school and only played PG his one year in college. Let's say the Bulls view him as an off guard. We sign Beverly with all our cap space on a 2 year deal then sign Rondo for the minimum to play backup PG.

We trade Dunn for Clint Capela so HOU can have cap space to go after Jimmy Butler. Rondo and Capela can get a little lob city two man game going while White works on his game to start after Beverley contract is up.



Beverly - Rondo - Arch
Lavine - White - Shaq - Blakeney
OPJ - Valentine - C. Hutch
Lauri - Vet Min PF
WCJ - Capela - Gafford - Felicio

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I just don't see good value in having big $ invested in C's. That position has a big supply of good players gettable on reasonable salaries.