Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[FreesFro]

Butler's MAX is $32.7M while Brogdon's MAX is $27.2M.

I'm pretty confident the Bucks would match a Brogdon MAX, so we'd be foolish to offer it. Just get D'Lo who is going to be a free and clear UFA instead, is 4 years younger, and a much more gifted scorer.

I know he's only 22, but if D'Lo plays like he did against us in the playoffs I don't want him. Shooting a ton, missing a ton. 20+ shots a game, 36/32/85. Not good. I don't need him jacking up 25 shots a game and averaging 20.

The Nets were completely overmatched against a superior team, and he was the #1 option. Here he would be the 2nd or 3rd option on a much better team. Plus the guy is 22 and his stats at that age compare very favorably to guys like Curry, Harden, and Lillard at that age. He's going to get better for the next 5+ years, which is a perfect fit with our 2 young stars.

You can talk me into it. If he becomes more efficient, which he should for the reasons you mentioned. If he takes 15 shots a game and avg 20 I'm in board. Don't want 25 to average 20.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think Harris is a lock to stay with the Sixers, the teams that would want him are capped out or nowhere near being contenders. The Nets are supposedly getting KD and Kyrie, so that's the major threat off the table and the 5th yr secures it for the Sixers. Butler is the one to worry about especially with the Lakers having space and the Rockets moving heaven and Earth.

If you lose Butler you have to go after Kemba or Russell.

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To be honest, if Butler leaves, my preference would be Klay > Kemba >Russell. Even with Klay's injury, the Sixers will likely be a top 4 seed in the east even without him playing a regular season game. Perhaps Klay could come back during the playoffs which would mean there might be some chemistry issues, but Klay's game would be an easier fit to integrate. He can stand and shoot 3s and play defense.

Kemba is good, but he's getting older and his game relies on his quickness, shiftiness and athletic ability.

Russell is not a two way player, and he got taken out of his game by Ben's defense in the playoff series. Granted not every team has a Ben Simmons that can guard Russell, but the fact remains Russell is just a tad too limited for my tastes.

Don't know how realistic Klay is as a target, but that would be my preference.

Klay is not leaving California, if he does leave the Warriors it would be for the Clippers, outside of that the guy is never leaving the West.

Using playoff performance against a guy who was in his first playoff series isn't fair to that guy. A player like Russell can work with Simmons and Embiid, his catch and shoot 3 point percentage shows potential of a guy who can be a solid shooter off the ball.

As for him not being a two way player, the Sixers have drafted two high profile defenders the last two years, not every guy on your starting 5 will be a great defender, Russell at least has the size to defend multiple positions and be hidden on the weakest offensive player (Ie. Danny Green) without giving up size on mismatches.

And Kemba is younger than Butler, not to mention undercutting the Celtics for him would be a nice play.

[Mik317]

I know he's only 22, but if D'Lo plays like he did against us in the playoffs I don't want him. Shooting a ton, missing a ton. 20+ shots a game, 36/32/85. Not good. I don't need him jacking up 25 shots a game and averaging 20.

The Nets were completely overmatched against a superior team, and he was the #1 option. Here he would be the 2nd or 3rd option on a much better team. Plus the guy is 22 and his stats at that age compare very favorably to guys like Curry, Harden, and Lillard at that age. He's going to get better for the next 5+ years, which is a perfect fit with our 2 young stars.

You can talk me into it. If he becomes more efficient, which he should for the reasons you mentioned. If he takes 15 shots a game and avg 20 I'm in board. Don't want 25 to average 20.

he wouldn't take 25 shots here anyway

He also kinda had to for the Nets after Levert went down.

[Arsenal]

Swapping out Butler for Russell will make us worse next year for sure, especially because we'll have to renounce the rest of our free agents.

However that is only a 1 year problem. We can add 3 solid bench pieces next summer with the MLE and BAE and still be comfortably under the luxury tax. We'd be set up for sustained success for MANY years.

Whereas if we keep Butler and run it back, I believe we have a 2-3 year window before we'll have to semi-tear it down to avoid the repeater tax.

[Kobblehead]

Could Brogdon be more than a role player? Do we need more than a role player though? He won't be paid max will he?

50/40/90 is not too shabby.

Absolutley, he can. His per-36 scoring was at 19.7 this year. He's itching for Buddy Hield-like breakout.

Wow lol

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Buddy Hield in 2018: 13.5 ppg (but 19.2 per36)

If you were surprised by Hield being a 20 point scorer this year, you just weren't tracking the trajectory.

Brogdon is on a similar cusp of scoring breakout that Hield was on in 2018.

[cool93]

Absolutley, he can. His per-36 scoring was at 19.7 this year. He's itching for Buddy Hield-like breakout.

Wow lol

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Buddy Hield in 2018: 13.5 ppg (but 19.2 per36)

If you were surprised by Hield being a 20 point scorer this year, you just weren't tracking the trajectory.

Brogdon is on a similar cusp of scoring breakout that Hield was on in 2018.

Brogdon can't even stay healthy while playing less than 30 mpg.

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[the_process]

If we strike out in FA, some of the blame should probably fall on Simmons & Joel. They're clearly a tier below the NBA upper class at the moment, for different reasons (Joel is just out of shape at least).

If Ben wants to be a superstar he's gonna have to get his shot together.

Feels like stars view Embiid's Dwight Howard-like personality unfav orably, too.

Total speculation. I'd say is not Simmons arrogance and lack of jumpshot.

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Some of it might be Joel’s smack talk and ball dominance, but I think more of it is Ben. Other players see how his refusal to shoot hurts.

[Arsenal]

I will say that Jimmy Butler is a bad fit with the Lakers just like he's a bad fit with the Rockets. He's not a good spot up shooter off the catch, which is what he would be relegated to whenever he's playing with James Harden or the Shadow.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Swapping out Butler for Russell will make us worse next year for sure, especially because we'll have to renounce the rest of our free agents.

However that is only a 1 year problem. We can add solid 3 bench pieces next summer with the MLE and BAE and still be comfortably under the luxury tax. We'd be set up for sustained success for MANY years.

Whereas if we keep Butler and run it back, I believe we have a 2-3 year window before we'll have to semi-tear it down to avoid the repeater tax.

I think it depends on what you get from the Celtics, I'd want picks from Houston but really would want Brown as the prize with Smart being the 2nd option. I think going into next season with Russell, Brown, Simmons, Harris and Embiid would have a chance at a better record since they'd have a training camp together. I think getting a 2-3 to replace Butler is very important in any potential trade where he lives, you can't lose him for just picks, you gotta get somebody back that can replace Reddick or Butler, in addition to retaining the space to go after Russell.

[Arsenal]

Swapping out Butler for Russell will make us worse next year for sure, especially because we'll have to renounce the rest of our free agents.

However that is only a 1 year problem. We can add solid 3 bench pieces next summer with the MLE and BAE and still be comfortably under the luxury tax. We'd be set up for sustained success for MANY years.

Whereas if we keep Butler and run it back, I believe we have a 2-3 year window before we'll have to semi-tear it down to avoid the repeater tax.

I think it depends on what you get from the Celtics, I'd want picks from Houston but really would want Brown as the prize with Smart being the 2nd option. I think going into next season with Russell, Brown, Simmons, Harris and Embiid would have a chance at a better record since they'd have a training camp together. I think getting a 2-3 to replace Butler is very important in any potential trade where he lives, you can't lose him for just picks, you gotta get somebody back that can replace Reddick or Butler, in addition to retaining the space to go after Russell.

I'm fine with straight picks if we can sign both Russell and Danny Green. Or taking in Smart in the trade so he fills the role that Green would fill. We need one stopper in the backcourt to go with primarily offensive players in Harris and Russell.

[Kobblehead]

I will say that Jimmy Butler is a bad fit with the Lakers just like he's a bad fit with the Rockets. He's not a good spot up shooter off the catch, which is what he would be relegated to whenever he's playing with James Harden or the Shadow.

He'd be a bad fit anywhere.

He's a #1 option on a non-contender. He can't play with other stars on a contender.

[Arsenal]

I will say that Jimmy Butler is a bad fit with the Lakers just like he's a bad fit with the Rockets. He's not a good spot up shooter off the catch, which is what he would be relegated to whenever he's playing with James Harden or the Shadow.

He'd be a bad fit anywhere.

He's a #1 option on a non-contender. He can't play with other stars on a contender.

It's pretty amazing. He just flat out refuses to take open 3's off the catch. It's not like he's a terrible shooter. If he just took those open shots he'd be way more effective and a much better fit.

[cool93]

I will say that Jimmy Butler is a bad fit with the Lakers just like he's a bad fit with the Rockets. He's not a good spot up shooter off the catch, which is what he would be relegated to whenever he's playing with James Harden or the Shadow.

He'd be a bad fit anywhere.

He's a #1 option on a non-contender. He can't play with other stars on a contender.

Which was proven last year, when he was great playing alongside Embiid. Oh, wait a minute..

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[Kobblehead]

I will say that Jimmy Butler is a bad fit with the Lakers just like he's a bad fit with the Rockets. He's not a good spot up shooter off the catch, which is what he would be relegated to whenever he's playing with James Harden or the Shadow.

He'd be a bad fit anywhere.

He's a #1 option on a non-contender. He can't play with other stars on a contender.

It's pretty amazing. He just flat out refuses to take open 3's off the catch. It's not like he's a terrible shooter. If he just took those open shots he'd be way more effective and a much better fit.

Man, once upon a time, I thought Jimmy, Paul and Kawhi were all at the same level. Those other two embraced more 3 pt attempts and continued to develop into MVP candidates and Jimmy was defiant of the changing times and plateued.

Like you saud, he could be a good shooter, he just refuses. Now he's just Corey Maggette with defense instead of a potential hall of famer.

[the_process]

So maybe the Sixers don’t want to max Jimmy after all? And Tobias was always a hedge against that?

If they renounce everyone but Tobias, the Sixers will have about 38M in space. That could be Beverley, Danny Green, JaMychal Green, Jeremy Lamb, and then the room exception.

[LloydFree]

So maybe the Sixers don’t want to max Jimmy after all? And Tobias was always a hedge against that?

If they renounce everyone but Tobias, the Sixers will have about 38M in space. That could be Beverley, Danny Green, JaMychal Green, Jeremy Lamb, and then the room exception.

Sign me up.

[Mik317]

Jeremy Lamb has been first team "guy I will always have too much faith" in for years now.

[Kobblehead]

Jeremy Lamb breaking out after all these years and validating people that went all in on him as a prospect would be as glorious as when Magikarp evolves into Gyarados.

[youngcrev]

Jeremy Lamb breaking out after all these years and validating people that went all in on him as a prospect would be as glorious as when Magikarp evolves into Gyarados.

I don't understand the reference, but I think I agree?

Same thing's gonna happen when Mario Hezonja breaks out in like 3 years...

[smittybanton]

I'm definitely for re-signing Jimmy. More important than Tobias. But in the case he chooses to go elsewhere, I would not renounce JJ or Mike Scott to get more capspace for D'Angelo Russell. I would try to use our leverage as a contender to get those guys plus a good young player (or two) on team-friendly (tradeable) contracts. Ross, Lamb, Satoransky, etc. A similar alternative, I would offer OKC Jonah Bolden for Jeremi Grant's contract if they're really desperate to shed salary.