Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[smittybanton]

whimsical alternative, dont get at me. lol:

If jimmy leaves, get a 1st round pick from charlotte to take nicolas batum's contract off their hands (or some other similar trade netting a 1st), fill the rest of the roster with ambitious young scrubs yearning to breakout: Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja, Frank Kaminsky. Have them compete againt our incumbent rookies and young guys. Make trades as necessary in February. Fill any remaining gaps by scooping up a bought out veteran in March.

[PhilasFinest]

If Butler leaves, I want Terrence Ross on the Sixers along with Tobias.

Call me crazy, but I think Terrence Ross in JJ Redick role with the starters and Harris upping his usage, opens up this offense.

[Negrodamus]

If Butler leaves, I want Terrence Ross on the Sixers along with Tobias.

Call me crazy, but I think Terrence Ross in JJ Redick role with the starters and Harris upping his usage, opens up this offense.

If we need someone to play the Butler role, I’d make an offer for Delon Wright. Closed out the year strong and I doubt the Griz are really motivated to bring him back after drafting Morant.

[FireMorey]

There's no chance it happens, but in the highly highly unlikely event both Butler and Harris walk, I honestly don't know how anyone here could continue to support the Sixers in any way. I mean I get it, you're Sixers fans so "Gotta support the team!" but supporting the team would only make Joshua Harris money and keep him as owner. In that scenario there needs to be a full out boycott and people either need to make that arena a ghost town all season long or when you do show up to the games, chant "SELL THE TEAM! SELL THE TEAM!" over and over for all 48 minutes until the dude just can't take it anymore. And picket around the arena on days where there are no games.

He would have lied to the fans by saying they will go over the luxury tax and would have lied to his own front office. I don't know about you, but I could not in good conscience support a team knowing that slimeball would profit from it. Sometimes if you want change, the fans have to get vocal and active. Sometimes fans can't just sit on their hands and hope change happens, they need to force it.

Screwing up this free agency would just be one too many(actually many too many) transgressions by this dude as owner. Since Hinkie, he allowed Adam Silver to enforce and bully him into forcing out Hinkie WHO HE HIRED and force Colangelo in. Then force him into hiring his son. All the crap about allowing Embiid to be playing injured and not forcing your GM to talk about it or address it publicly. Forcing the team to sell draft picks, having a sham of a GM search where he hired someone he can control, sell more draft picks, trade all your assets for two players and letting them walk would just be it for me with this owner. Too man embarrassing and shady things have happened under Harris' watch and eventually you have to draw the line in the sand as a fan.

I really don't think that's going to happen, but I really would hope in the disaster scenario fans don't just frolic on down to that arena next season tail between their legs ready to be the dutiful obedient fan, meanwhile the owner can do whatever the hell he wants to us with no repercussions. I expect the fans to step up and if you can't force him to sell the team at least making it a living nightmare and totally miserable to own it.

I said my piece. I'm done with the Sixers until the dude sells the team if that happens. You know where I stand ahead of time in the event of a disaster so you can't call "reactionary."

[Arsenal]

There's no chance it happens, but in the highly highly unlikely event both Butler and Harris walk, I honestly don't know how anyone here could continue to support the Sixers in any way. I mean I get it, you're Sixers fans so "Gotta support the team!" but supporting the team would only make Joshua Harris money and keep him as owner. In that scenario there needs to be a full out boycott and people either need to make that arena a ghost town all season long or when you do show up to the games, chant "SELL THE TEAM! SELL THE TEAM!" over and over for all 48 minutes until the dude just can't take it anymore. And picket around the arena on days where there are no games.

He would have lied to the fans by saying they will go over the luxury tax and would have lied to his own front office. I don't know about you, but I could not in good conscience support a team knowing that slimeball would profit from it. Sometimes if you want change, the fans have to get vocal and active. Sometimes fans can't just sit on their hands and hope change happens, they need to force it.

Screwing up this free agency would just be one too many(actually many too many) transgressions by this dude as owner. Since Hinkie, he allowed Adam Silver to enforce and bully him into forcing out Hinkie WHO HE HIRED and force Colangelo in. Then force him into hiring his son. All the crap about allowing Embiid to be playing injured and not forcing your GM to talk about it or address it publicly. Forcing the team to sell draft picks, having a sham of a GM search where he hired someone he can control, sell more draft picks, trade all your assets for two players and letting them walk would just be it for me with this owner. Too man embarrassing and shady things have happened under Harris' watch and eventually you have to draw the line in the sand as a fan.

I really don't think that's going to happen, but I really would hope in the disaster scenario fans don't just frolic on down to that arena next season tail between their legs ready to be the dutiful obedient fan, meanwhile the owner can do whatever the hell he wants to us with no repercussions. I expect the fans to step up and if you can't force him to sell the team at least making it a living nightmare and totally miserable to own it.

I said my piece. I'm done with the Sixers until the dude sells the team if that happens. You know where I stand ahead of time in the event of a disaster so you can't call "reactionary."

No chance? I think there is plenty of chance. Jimmy could easily walk to the Lakers. He's mentioned many times how much he loves LA and he already owns a home there.

And Tobias is going to require a massive overpay to keep him, likely a full MAX. There's a very good chance we're going to regret singing him even more than we would regret letting him walk.

[FlyingArrow]

If we offer them both full max contracts and they turn us down, then I'm not sure what else could be done.

[Arsenal]

If we offer them both full max contracts and they turn us down, then I'm not sure what else could be done.

We shouldn't have traded for them in the first place. We voluntarily put ourselves into a LOSE/LOSE situation. Exactly the opposite as what smart front offices do.

Either we lose them for nothing (LOSE), or we resign them for far more than they are worth (LOSE).

[Kobblehead]

What free agent besides Kawhi Leonard is actually gonna be worth the contract he signs next week?

You realize how many maxes are about to be handed out?

[kuclas]

Sixers are just not a free agency destination. I’d rather keep butler at the max and let Harris walk. Even if that means jimmy is on his last legs in years 4 and 5.

Harris wasn’t that good. He’s not a good defender either. And he’s more of a 3 than a stretch 4. Frankly I’d rather sign al Horford to a 3/90 deal than Harris to a 5/190 deal. Horford would be way more valuable than Harris. Now if Horford wants 4/112 million. Well we would have to think about it. Cause al will also be on his last legs in year 4 of the contract. Maybe year 3 also.

I don’t know what Boston offer to set Horford off in a different direction. Rumors say 4/100 million. Knowing how savvy ainge is. Likely not all that money was guaranteed.

That’s the thing with aging players. The guarantee money. Did Boston guarantee the 4th year?

[Kobblehead]

Horford didn't always look like himself last year. There were many nights where the signs of being cooked were present.

Anyone who signs him to a multi is likely gonna regret it by the middle of this upcoming season.

[smittybanton]

If Butler leaves, I want Terrence Ross on the Sixers along with Tobias.

Call me crazy, but I think Terrence Ross in JJ Redick role with the starters and Harris upping his usage, opens up this offense.

If we need someone to play the Butler role, I’d make an offer for Delon Wright. Closed out the year strong and I doubt the Griz are really motivated to bring him back after drafting Morant.

He is close to Satoransky for me on my wish list. His defense is superior to Sato, but Sato is a more adept shooter. Would love to have either or both.

[Arsenal]

What free agent besides Kawhi Leonard is actually gonna be worth the contract he signs next week?

You realize how many maxes are about to be handed out?

Thats great. If we were so desperate for stars, maybe we should have burned up all our assets on "stars" who were actually under long-term contract instead of 2 rentals for less than a season with resulting heavy risk of losing them.

[Arsenal]

Sixers are just not a free agency destination. I’d rather keep butler at the max and let Harris walk. Even if that means jimmy is on his last legs in years 4 and 5.

Harris wasn’t that good. He’s not a good defender either. And he’s more of a 3 than a stretch 4. Frankly I’d rather sign al Horford to a 3/90 deal than Harris to a 5/190 deal. Horford would be way more valuable than Harris. Now if Horford wants 4/112 million. Well we would have to think about it. Cause al will also be on his last legs in year 4 of the contract. Maybe year 3 also.

I don’t know what Boston offer to set Horford off in a different direction. Rumors say 4/100 million. Knowing how savvy ainge is. Likely not all that money was guaranteed.

That’s the thing with aging players. The guarantee money. Did Boston guarantee the 4th year?

Tobias Harris got absolutely worked and dominated by Pascal Siakam in the Raptors series. It was embarrassing. Luckily for us we had the ability to switch Embiid onto Siakam, otherwise we would have been hammered. Harris' defense reminded me of Dario Saric who people were so desperate to get rid of.

[PhilasFinest]

Sixers are just not a free agency destination. I’d rather keep butler at the max and let Harris walk. Even if that means jimmy is on his last legs in years 4 and 5.

Harris wasn’t that good. He’s not a good defender either. And he’s more of a 3 than a stretch 4. Frankly I’d rather sign al Horford to a 3/90 deal than Harris to a 5/190 deal. Horford would be way more valuable than Harris. Now if Horford wants 4/112 million. Well we would have to think about it. Cause al will also be on his last legs in year 4 of the contract. Maybe year 3 also.

I don’t know what Boston offer to set Horford off in a different direction. Rumors say 4/100 million. Knowing how savvy ainge is. Likely not all that money was guaranteed.

That’s the thing with aging players. The guarantee money. Did Boston guarantee the 4th year?

I am kinda cringing imagining 33 year old Al Horford trying to run up and down the floor with the Sixers.

[Kobblehead]

What free agent besides Kawhi Leonard is actually gonna be worth the contract he signs next week?

You realize how many maxes are about to be handed out?

Thats great. If we were so desperate for stars, maybe we should have burned up all our assets on "stars" who were actually under long-term contract instead of 2 rentals for less than a season with resulting heavy risk of losing them.

You keep saying we burned up all our assets. We traded 3 role players and a future first.

The price we paid is actually shockingly low.

[Kobblehead]

Is Jabari Parker over himself enough to be an asset on a playoff team? I actually really liked the way he played for Washington last year. Was more defensively active than he's been and he can score with ease.

[LloydFree]

If Butler leaves, I want Terrence Ross on the Sixers along with Tobias.

Call me crazy, but I think Terrence Ross in JJ Redick role with the starters and Harris upping his usage, opens up this offense.

If we need someone to play the Butler role, I’d make an offer for Delon Wright. Closed out the year strong and I doubt the Griz are really motivated to bring him back after drafting Morant.

Delon Wright is going to be one of the players that gets an artificially low salary from someone and be a great value. But because he's Restricted, I think Memphis will match any offer he gets.

[Negrodamus]

If Butler leaves, I want Terrence Ross on the Sixers along with Tobias.

Call me crazy, but I think Terrence Ross in JJ Redick role with the starters and Harris upping his usage, opens up this offense.

If we need someone to play the Butler role, I’d make an offer for Delon Wright. Closed out the year strong and I doubt the Griz are really motivated to bring him back after drafting Morant.

Delon Wright is going to be one of the players that gets an artificially low salary from someone and be a great value. But because he's Restricted, I think Memphis will match any offer he gets.

Yea it's definitely possible they will match, but they do have Grayson Allen and Jevon Carter as potential guards behind Morant. I think it's worth Memphis sinking money into him to a point.

[Bum Adebayo]

I will say that Jimmy Butler is a bad fit with the Lakers just like he's a bad fit with the Rockets. He's not a good spot up shooter off the catch, which is what he would be relegated to whenever he's playing with James Harden or the Shadow.

He'd be a bad fit anywhere.

He's a #1 option on a non-contender. He can't play with other stars on a contender.

It's pretty amazing. He just flat out refuses to take open 3's off the catch. It's not like he's a terrible shooter. If he just took those open shots he'd be way more effective and a much better fit.

So what? there are other players that refuse to take open 2's, and nobody says a think.

[Arsenal]

He'd be a bad fit anywhere.

He's a #1 option on a non-contender. He can't play with other stars on a contender.

It's pretty amazing. He just flat out refuses to take open 3's off the catch. It's not like he's a terrible shooter. If he just took those open shots he'd be way more effective and a much better fit.

So what? there are other players that refuse to take open 2's, and nobody says a think.

If you're talking about Simmons, plenty of people have been vocal about it.

Butler's refusal to shoot open 3's off the catch compromises our offensive spacing, hurting the effectiveness of Embiid and Simmons down low.