Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras

OdomFan · Post #21 » by **OdomFan** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:00 pm

Got a ton of Love for Agent 0 but nah. I can't agree on that. I guess he missed when Lebron had trouble against JJ Barea and Jason Kidd in 2011 yet he think Scottie wouldn't stand a chance at all? Gilbert need to go back and watch Pippen and Rodman play defense. Those dudes aren't some of the best defenders in NBA history for nothing. They would absolutely challenge Lebron any night of the week at their primes.

thebigbird · Post #22 » by **thebigbird** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:00 pm

The NBA has so much more talent today than it did 25+ years ago. Of course superstars of today would excel in previous eras. LeBron would be playing part-time janitors and fry cooks in the 70s.

wade44 · Post #23 » by **wade44** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:02 pm

Stay off the weed

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #24 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:02 pm

shtolky wrote:Pippen would be a top 5 defender in today's game without question. This is silly. But it's Arenas after all. Rodman would still clean up the boards.

Rodman would be borderline unplayable on offense, nobody would guard him.

thebigbird · Post #25 » by **thebigbird** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:03 pm

OdomFan wrote:Got a ton of Love for Agent 0 but nah. I can't agree on that. I guess he missed when Lebron had trouble against JJ Barea and Jason Kidd in 2011 yet he think Scottie wouldn't stand a chance at all? Gilbert need to go back and watch Pippen and Rodman play defense. Those dudes aren't some of the best defenders in NBA history for nothing. They would absolutely challenge Lebron any night of the week at their primes.

Yeah, LeBron struggled in the 2011 finals. That's a 6 game sample size in a 1,437 game career. Definitely makes sense to draw conclusions on 6 games instead of the other 1,431.

shtolky · Post #26 » by **shtolky** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:03 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
shtolky wrote:Pippen would be a top 5 defender in today's game without question. This is silly. But it's Arenas after all. Rodman would still clean up the boards.

Rodman would be borderline unplayable on offense, nobody would guard him.

Pretty much how it was in the 90's too. Such a good defender and rebounder it was ok, though granted he was playing with Jordan and Pippen.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #27 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:05 pm

OdomFan wrote:Got a ton of Love for Agent 0 but nah. I can't agree on that. I guess he missed when Lebron had trouble against JJ Barea and Jason Kidd in 2011 yet he think Scottie wouldn't stand a chance at all? Gilbert need to go back and watch Pippen and Rodman play defense. Those dudes aren't some of the best defenders in NBA history for nothing. They would absolutely challenge Lebron any night of the week at their primes.

This is one of those kernel of truth type deals. YES, he's exaggerating. Pippen/Rodman would clearly crush it in this league still. That being said, the role players and average NBA players of previous eras would get crushed. The league is way deeper now and he's right that the game has evolved a ton. Stars from the 90's would adapt, it's the rest of the players who wouldn't have the same advantages today. Also Lou is right if Lebron played in the 70's, he'd probably win the title every year.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #28 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:06 pm

shtolky wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
shtolky wrote:Pippen would be a top 5 defender in today's game without question. This is silly. But it's Arenas after all. Rodman would still clean up the boards.

Rodman would be borderline unplayable on offense, nobody would guard him.

Pretty much how it was in the 90's too. Such a good defender and rebounder it was ok, though granted he was playing with Jordan and Pippen.

I think the zone has made it much harder for rebounding specialists to prosper, Tristan is maybe the closest to Rodman in terms of how he plays, but the only way he's effective on offense is to keep him setting picks and he's a better finisher at the rim than Rodman was. I think teams would love to have Rodman setting picks and him rolling to the rim to try and finish.

Pippen could easily be great today, Rodman I'm not so sure about.

LakerLegend · Post #29 » by **LakerLegend** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:06 pm

mademan wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:
mademan wrote:lmao. He's not wrong. Pippen opens himself up to this when he says he could shut down anybody in today's game. Bruh was a buck-90 back then; that aint guarding Lebron today

Watch on YouTube

Jordans primary defender in a playoff series. Man looks like a substitute teacher, lmfao. Mr dudikoff lookin azz

23-_6-_23 · Post #30 » by **23-_6-_23** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:07 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:LOL @ Leborn in the pre-3pt era, with bigs clogging the paint.

LOL at the thought Lebron wouldn't dominate any era of basketball ever.

LakerLegend · Post #31 » by **LakerLegend** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:08 pm

23-_6-_23 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:LOL @ Leborn in the pre-3pt era, with bigs clogging the paint.

LOL at the thought Lebron wouldn't dominate any era of basketball ever.

LOL at the thought of LeBron doing it without modern "nutritional enhancements".

SK21209 · Post #32 » by **SK21209** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:08 pm

Truth that no one wants to admit is due to sports science the current generation of players will always be generally better than the last and the next generation will be better than the present.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #33 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:08 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
shtolky wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

Rodman would be borderline unplayable on offense, nobody would guard him.

Pretty much how it was in the 90's too. Such a good defender and rebounder it was ok, though granted he was playing with Jordan and Pippen.

I think the zone has made it much harder for rebounding specialists to prosper, Tristan is maybe the closest to Rodman in terms of how he plays, but the only way he's effective on offense is to keep him setting picks and he's a better finisher at the rim than Rodman was. I think teams would love to have Rodman setting picks and him rolling to the rim to try and finish.

Pippen could easily be great today, Rodman I'm not so sure about.

He would be like Rubio on offense where teams just ignore him, which makes them way easier to guard. That won't affect his insane defense and rebounding as much though. I DO think without hand checking he would foul out a TON now. You literally can't touch anyone now. So Rodman could be relegated to a 20 rpg guy who isn't even ALLOWED to defend how he's used to and obviously can't score at all.

RakimAbdulJabar · Post #34 » by **RakimAbdulJabar** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:09 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
shtolky wrote:Pippen would be a top 5 defender in today's game without question. This is silly. But it's Arenas after all. Rodman would still clean up the boards.

Rodman would be borderline unplayable on offense, nobody would guard him.

So? No one guarded him back then either and he still found a way to make himself more than effective.

Joakim Noah (the Bulls version) is a guy teams didn't need to guard out on the perimeter, often felt like the Bulls were playing 4 on 5 on offense yet with his passing, offensive rebounds and defense he was a huge factor in their success, there's more to basketball than just being able to shoot. Did Ben Wallace need to be guarded? Guys like Rodman, Noah, Wallace etc have a place in the league and are extremely valuable because they can focus on doing the things a lot of guys don't want to

23-_6-_23 · Post #35 » by **23-_6-_23** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:09 pm

Baseball is the only sport (and that is still questionable that teams from back in the 70's could have competed with today's player)

I really don't think some of you quite understand just how much better athletes are today.

LakerLegend · Post #36 » by **LakerLegend** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:09 pm

SK21209 wrote:Truth that no one wants to admit is due to sports science the current generation of players will always be generally better than the last and the next generation will be better than the present.

Not true, there are limits to what the human body can do.

meekrab · Post #37 » by **meekrab** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:09 pm

Ever notice how every NBA player thinks they played in the league's toughest era?

23-_6-_23 · Post #38 » by **23-_6-_23** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:10 pm

LakerLegend wrote:
23-_6-_23 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:LOL @ Leborn in the pre-3pt era, with bigs clogging the paint.

LOL at the thought Lebron wouldn't dominate any era of basketball ever.

LOL at the thought of LeBron doing it without modern "nutritional enhancements".

I forget it was Lebron's fault he was born in 84. shame on him

SK21209 · Post #39 » by **SK21209** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:10 pm

LakerLegend wrote:
SK21209 wrote:Truth that no one wants to admit is due to sports science the current generation of players will always be generally better than the last and the next generation will be better than the present.

Not true, there are limits to what the human body can do.

Probably, but we haven't found them yet. Within my lifetime ACL tears have gone from a death sentence to something scouts almost ignore in high school prospects.

LakerLegend · Post #40 » by **LakerLegend** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:11 pm

23-_6-_23 wrote:Baseball is the only sport (and that is still questionable that teams from back in the 70's could have competed with today's player)

I really don't think some of you quite understand just how much better athletes are today.

Vince Carter and LeBron played against guys who played against Kareem and they are still in the league today.

We're not that far removed.