Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras

[mademan]

Always love seeing these threads. Basketball talent is better today. Its absolutely ridiculous that some people think otherwise.

Literally no other industry thinks to themselves they were better in the pre-analytical era

[23-_6-_23]

Truth that no one wants to admit is due to sports science the current generation of players will always be generally better than the last and the next generation will be better than the present.

Not true, there are limits to what the human body can do.

The fastball is about the only thing that has truly been maxed out.

people freaked when someone ran under a 4 minute mile. Now high schoolers are doing it.

[Forte IV]

Why do people listen to Arenas? Lol. The guy literally behaves like he's 11 years old.

But he actually knows basketball. It's such a weird thing.

[LakerLegend]

Truth that no one wants to admit is due to sports science the current generation of players will always be generally better than the last and the next generation will be better than the present.

Not true, there are limits to what the human body can do.

Probably, but we haven't found them yet. Within my lifetime ACL tears have gone from a death sentence to something scouts almost ignore in high school prospects.

That's repair, not improvement.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Pippen would be a top 5 defender in today's game without question. This is silly. But it's Arenas after all. Rodman would still clean up the boards.

Rodman would be borderline unplayable on offense, nobody would guard him.

So? No one guarded him back then either and he still found a way to make himself more than effective.

Joakim Noah (the Bulls version) is a guy teams didn't need to guard out on the perimeter, often felt like the Bulls were playing 4 on 5 on offense yet with his passing, offensive rebounds and defense he was a huge factor in their success, there's more to basketball than just being able to shoot. Did Ben Wallace need to be guarded? Guys like Rodman, Noah, Wallace etc have a place in the league and are extremely valuable because they can focus on doing the things a lot of guys don't want to

Noah is 7 feet tall and can finish at the rim if you just let him roll down the lane, I don't think Rodman rolling to the rim at 6'7 and trying to finish over guys as one of the pillars of your offense is a good idea. The difference between then and now is that the rebounding guys who don't have a lot of offensive skill are heavily involved in the pick and roll with the guard to keep them a threat on offense, and even then they get played off the court (Gobert, Capela). His biggest advantage would be his switchability on defense, but the offense would be a major problem, more so today than when he was playing in the triangle because his role on offense would be different, he'd now have to finish at the rim or make reads and hit the corner on passes.

[LakerLegend]

The Bulls went against this guy, you telling me they shuddering at Curry?

[An Unbiased Fan]

LOL @ Leborn in the pre-3pt era, with bigs clogging the paint.

LOL at the thought Lebron wouldn't dominate any era of basketball ever.

He wouldn't. Lebron couldnt' even dominate the Western Conference of his era, or internaitonal competition. In the 70's, Lebron would have been knocked down 30 tiems a game driving to the hoop. Don't get me wrong, he would still be great, but the whole 15 titles thing speaks to how delusion the current generation is. Despite the talent increase, there's been a serious drop in mental toughness in sports. Guys back then were from a different generation

[LakerLegend]

Rodman would be borderline unplayable on offense, nobody would guard him.

So? No one guarded him back then either and he still found a way to make himself more than effective.

Joakim Noah (the Bulls version) is a guy teams didn't need to guard out on the perimeter, often felt like the Bulls were playing 4 on 5 on offense yet with his passing, offensive rebounds and defense he was a huge factor in their success, there's more to basketball than just being able to shoot. Did Ben Wallace need to be guarded? Guys like Rodman, Noah, Wallace etc have a place in the league and are extremely valuable because they can focus on doing the things a lot of guys don't want to

Noah is 7 feet tall and can finish at the rim if you just let him roll down the lane, I don't think Rodman rolling to the rim at 6'7 and trying to finish over guys as one of the pillars of your offense is a good idea. The difference between then and now is that the rebounding guys who don't have a lot of offensive skill are heavily involved in the pick and roll with the guard to keep them a threat on offense, and even then they get played off the court (Gobert, Capela). His biggest advantage would be his switchability on defense, but the offense would be a major problem, more so today than when he was playing in the triangle because his role on offense would be different, he'd now have to finish at the rim or make reads and hit the corner on passes.

Rodman would get buckets with his athleticism just because it's so much easier to score than when he was with the Bulls.

[LakerLegend]

Players are too big now

[mademan]

lmao, Rodman's unplayable in todays league. Cant dribble, cant pass, cant shoot. Almost certainly a C in the draymond mold; great defense but his offense makes him unplayable against any decent team.

[LakerLegend]

Zion is a 6-7 forward who was just the number 1 pick but players are too big now.

[OdomFan]

Got a ton of Love for Agent 0 but nah. I can't agree on that. I guess he missed when Lebron had trouble against JJ Barea and Jason Kidd in 2011 yet he think Scottie wouldn't stand a chance at all? Gilbert need to go back and watch Pippen and Rodman play defense. Those dudes aren't some of the best defenders in NBA history for nothing. They would absolutely challenge Lebron any night of the week at their primes.

Yeah, LeBron struggled in the 2011 finals. That's a 6 game sample size in a 1,437 game career. Definitely makes sense to draw conclusions on 6 games instead of the other 1,431.

Uh it's the Finals. That means a hell of a lot more than any other game or series. Especially considering that's the year he ran his mouth about "Not 1, not 2, not 3, etc". You gotta bring it when you run your mouth like that but he couldn't against those guys so yeah. Pippen/Rodman would challenge him too.

[23-_6-_23]

LOL @ Leborn in the pre-3pt era, with bigs clogging the paint.

LOL at the thought Lebron wouldn't dominate any era of basketball ever.

He wouldn't. Lebron couldnt' even dominate the Western Conference of his era, or internaitonal competition. In the 70's, Lebron would have been knocked down 30 tiems a game driving to the hoop. Don't get me wrong, he would still be great, but the whole 15 titles thing speaks to how delusion the current generation is. Despite the talent increase, there's been a serious drop in mental toughness in sports. Guys back then were from a different generation

Watch on YouTube

Here is your baddest of the bad talking about Lebron. and listen to what Larry bird just said. I don't think it's this generation that's delusional.

[LakerLegend]

[thebigbird]

The Bulls went against this guy, you telling me they shuddering at Curry?

Yeah, the Bulls went against that guy and lost when he was only 22 years old.

[23-_6-_23]

LOL at the thought Lebron wouldn't dominate any era of basketball ever.

He wouldn't. Lebron couldnt' even dominate the Western Conference of his era, or internaitonal competition. In the 70's, Lebron would have been knocked down 30 tiems a game driving to the hoop. Don't get me wrong, he would still be great, but the whole 15 titles thing speaks to how delusion the current generation is. Despite the talent increase, there's been a serious drop in mental toughness in sports. Guys back then were from a different generation

Watch on YouTube

Here is your baddest of the bad talking about Lebron. and listen to what Larry bird just said. I don't think it's this generation that's delusional.

stars at like the 3:20 mark

[LakerLegend]

LeBron has been beaten by:

2007 Spurs
2009 Magic
2008-2010 Celtics
2011 Mavericks
2014 Spurs
Warriors

None of those teams were full of Monstars.

They were veteran teams based on skill.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

So? No one guarded him back then either and he still found a way to make himself more than effective.

Joakim Noah (the Bulls version) is a guy teams didn't need to guard out on the perimeter, often felt like the Bulls were playing 4 on 5 on offense yet with his passing, offensive rebounds and defense he was a huge factor in their success, there's more to basketball than just being able to shoot. Did Ben Wallace need to be guarded? Guys like Rodman, Noah, Wallace etc have a place in the league and are extremely valuable because they can focus on doing the things a lot of guys don't want to

Noah is 7 feet tall and can finish at the rim if you just let him roll down the lane, I don't think Rodman rolling to the rim at 6'7 and trying to finish over guys as one of the pillars of your offense is a good idea. The difference between then and now is that the rebounding guys who don't have a lot of offensive skill are heavily involved in the pick and roll with the guard to keep them a threat on offense, and even then they get played off the court (Gobert, Capela). His biggest advantage would be his switchability on defense, but the offense would be a major problem, more so today than when he was playing in the triangle because his role on offense would be different, he'd now have to finish at the rim or make reads and hit the corner on passes.

Rodman would get buckets just because it's so much easier to score than when he was with the Bulls.

I don't think Bulls Rodman in his mid-30s is the one that could play today, he wasn't guarding perimeter players at that point. Bad boys Pistons version where he had all of his athleticism is the one that would be better, he defended Bird / Jordan.

The offense would still be an issue, but teams would live with it because of his switchability on defense with the rebounding.

[thebigbird]

Got a ton of Love for Agent 0 but nah. I can't agree on that. I guess he missed when Lebron had trouble against JJ Barea and Jason Kidd in 2011 yet he think Scottie wouldn't stand a chance at all? Gilbert need to go back and watch Pippen and Rodman play defense. Those dudes aren't some of the best defenders in NBA history for nothing. They would absolutely challenge Lebron any night of the week at their primes.

Yeah, LeBron struggled in the 2011 finals. That's a 6 game sample size in a 1,437 game career. Definitely makes sense to draw conclusions on 6 games instead of the other 1,431.

Uh it's the Finals. That means a hell of a lot more than any other game or series. Especially considering that's the year he ran his mouth about "Not 1, not 2, not 3, etc". You gotta bring it when you run your mouth like that but he couldn't against those guys so yeah. Pippen/Rodman would challenge him too.

Yes, it's the Finals. Challenging 2011 Finals LeBron isn't much of an accomplishment. He didn't bring it that year, and then he brought it 7 straight years in the Finals at one of the highest levels ever.

[OdomFan]

Got a ton of Love for Agent 0 but nah. I can't agree on that. I guess he missed when Lebron had trouble against JJ Barea and Jason Kidd in 2011 yet he think Scottie wouldn't stand a chance at all? Gilbert need to go back and watch Pippen and Rodman play defense. Those dudes aren't some of the best defenders in NBA history for nothing. They would absolutely challenge Lebron any night of the week at their primes.

This is one of those kernel of truth type deals. YES, he's exaggerating. Pippen/Rodman would clearly crush it in this league still. That being said, the role players and average NBA players of previous eras would get crushed. The league is way deeper now and he's right that the game has evolved a ton. Stars from the 90's would adapt, it's the rest of the players who wouldn't have the same advantages today. Also Lou is right if Lebron played in the 70's, he'd probably win the title every year.

Well I agree and disagree. Some of the guys may not get a roster spot in todays league but I believe there's a good amount of roleplayers that would.