Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras

[LakerLegend]

The Bulls went against and dominated teams with players like Oakley, Rich Mahorn, Shaq, Karl Malone, Barkley, Larry Johnson etc but they couldn't physically handle guys like Iguodala Marc Gasol Draymond etc.

Charles Oakley was 6'8 225 pounds. Rick Mahorn was 6'10 240 pounds. We've got stretch 4s bigger than that today. Hell, Kevin Love is 6'10 250.

We had plenty of actual 6-10 forwards back then. 6-10 forwards have been common since the 70's.

Kevin Love measured 6-8 barefoot. His height is boosted on the listings.





This guy would physically dominate Love.

[Clyde Frazier]

Lost respect for arenas with his BS claims here. Always used to support his very short prime since most didn't realize how good he was. What a trash move especially attacking Anthony mason when he isn't even alive.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

lmao. He's not wrong. Pippen opens himself up to this when he says he could shut down anybody in today's game. Bruh was a buck-90 back then; that aint guarding Lebron today

What?

He is very wrong.

Rodman and Pippen would not be guards in todays game, and even in some weird hypothetical situation in which they were, they certainly wouldn't be "small guards."

[LakerLegend]

The Bulls went against and dominated teams with players like Oakley, Rich Mahorn, Shaq, Karl Malone, Barkley, Larry Johnson etc but they couldn't physically handle guys like Iguodala Marc Gasol Draymond etc.

Charles Oakley was 6'8 225 pounds. Rick Mahorn was 6'10 240 pounds. We've got stretch 4s bigger than that today. Hell, Kevin Love is 6'10 250.

[SkyBill40]

He wouldn't. Lebron couldnt' even dominate the Western Conference of his era, or internaitonal competition. In the 70's, Lebron would have been knocked down 30 tiems a game driving to the hoop. Don't get me wrong, he would still be great, but the whole 15 titles thing speaks to how delusion the current generation is. Despite the talent increase, there's been a serious drop in mental toughness in sports. Guys back then were from a different generation

The 70s/80s/90s weren't more physical than the NBA today.

[Quattro]

Are people trying to tell us Fred Van Fleet and Lowry would light up the Bulls?

Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams are anyway. I mean, who is more qualified to talk about what it takes to beat legendary players like Jordan and Pippen than a couple of guys who have played a total of 25 years combined in this league and have a grand total of 3 playoff series victories between them.

[ellobo]

https://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-guide/
This is a great historical analysis of Dennis Rodman's overall and rebounding impact, arguing among other things that Rodman is not only the greatest rebounder in history, but dominates rebounding to a greater extent than any other player dominates any other statistical category. For instance, he argues that Rodman was a better rebounder than Jordan was a scorer. Rodman still has 6 of the top 10 total rebounding percentage seasons in the history of the league, and has by far the best career offensive rebounding percentage in the history of the league.

You couldn't not guard Dennis Rodman. You had to keep a body on him or he would just get extra possessions for his team. He had gravity just like great shooters have gravity. Add in his defense -- 2x DPOY, 8x All-Defensive (7x 1st team/1x 2nd team) -- and it is silly to argue he would be unplayable in today's game. He would be great in any era.

[LakerLegend]

Kawhi and Draymond are 6-7 forwards who are dominant defensive players today...but Scottie and Dennis are both more athletic and taller would struggle.

Oh Gilbert.

[Clyde Frazier]

lmao. He's not wrong. Pippen opens himself up to this when he says he could shut down anybody in today's game. Bruh was a buck-90 back then; that aint guarding Lebron today

So Iggy can guard Lebron....but not Pippen???

Yes.

Pippen even in the early 90s was listed at 210. Iggy currently at 215.

[kobyz]

John Starks was consider one of the best Jordan defenders, enough said...

[mademan]

He wouldn't. Lebron couldnt' even dominate the Western Conference of his era, or internaitonal competition. In the 70's, Lebron would have been knocked down 30 tiems a game driving to the hoop. Don't get me wrong, he would still be great, but the whole 15 titles thing speaks to how delusion the current generation is. Despite the talent increase, there's been a serious drop in mental toughness in sports. Guys back then were from a different generation

The 70s/80s/90s weren't more physical than the NBA today.

So im guessing youre 50+ and watched ball back then and not just selective youtube clips

[mademan]

So Iggy can guard Lebron....but not Pippen???

Yes.

Pippen even in the early 90s was listed at 210. Iggy currently at 215.

but a strong 215

[OkcSinceSGA]

So Iggy can guard Lebron....but not Pippen???

Yes.

Pippen even in the early 90s was listed at 210. Iggy currently at 215.

No man. Iggy is bigger than that. I'm guessing 230. People get caught up in list weight but often times they won't change that an entire career, even if the player bulks up. Don't get me wrong he's Corey Maggette 2.0 where even as a rookie he's ripped as hell (probably 5%-6% BF tops), but he's clearly gotten a little bit bigger and stronger.

[LakerLegend]

I don't think younger people realize that everyone in the league during the mid to late 90's carried more muscle mass than players do now due to the greater physicality and slower pace.

[First Step]

Why do people listen to Arenas? Lol. The guy literally behaves like he's 11 years old.

But he actually knows basketball. It's such a weird thing.

He knows the game from a technical perspective, but I would never put that guy anywhere close to a franchise in either a front officer or coaching positon.

[RakimAbdulJabar]

Kawhi and Draymond are 6-7 forwards who are dominant defensive players today...but Scottie and Dennis are both more athletic and taller would struggle.

Oh Gilbert.

RealGM was like, Pippen and Rodman would be too small to guard you

[Forbes]

Anyone that has actually played ball knows how hard it was to score in the 90s while the defender is hand checking you. No matter how fast you were there was almost almost a hand riding you. You had to be VERY good.

This no handcheck movement has made scoring so easy it’s hilarious. Even worse now that you can’t even touch a player.

I still don’t understand how this is a debate. There is no doubt a Lebron would have a tough time in the 90s period. The league literally changed the rules to make it easier to score. That should tell you.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

The 70s/80s/90s weren't more physical than the NBA today.

Bruh...

[RakimAbdulJabar]

John Starks was consider one of the best Jordan defenders, enough said...

1. No he wasn't
2. What's your point? Do you need to be excessively muscular and athletic to be a great defender?

[LakerLegend]

tHeY wErE toO SmALL