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Update: Harrison Barnes signs 4 yr $85M deal [Amick] (update #134)

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Re: Harrison Barnes declines $25.1m player option. [Update: Kings plan to offer extension in 4/90 range. Pg. 4] 

Post#81 » by simonbampfield » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:27 pm

As I said in the other thread. Yeah it’s an overpay. Not by as much as many here are saying.
I’m not too concerned with it as it would seem this was the plan, reduce his 2019/20 money so they could improve the roster further.
If Barnes opts in for 25m it essentially turns this into 3/63. Still an overpay sure, but not by that much and in today’s NBA it’s not like it’s going to be hard to move later on down the track.


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Post#82 » by jeffjtk1234 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:53 pm

It’s not a bad deal for Barnes. It’s a slight overpay but let’s be happy we have a legit 3 who knows Luke’s system.


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Post#83 » by jeffjtk1234 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:08 pm

I will say though my issue with this is who are we competing against for him? Let the market determine his value don’t just throw money at the guy.


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Re: Harrison Barnes declines $25.1m player option. [Update: Kings plan to offer extension in 4/90 range. Pg. 4] 

Post#84 » by simonbampfield » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:29 pm

jeffjtk1234 wrote:I will say though my issue with this is who are we competing against for him? Let the market determine his value don’t just throw money at the guy.


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They weren’t going up against anyone, but they were clearly working on it since the trade. IMO from Barnes’ side they wanted the long term guaranteed money, but let’s be honest, no one with half a brain is walking away from 25m so that needs to be factored in beforehand.
So essentially they come up with a number that while it’s more than what he is worth overall it keeps him in Sacramento long term, the Kings also get a little more cap space to play with. This was all done prior, it isn’t a new development or anything. The Kings were comfortable with how HB fits with the organisation. People can question that fit too, but on the contract this was a negotiation that’s been done for a while.
When we isolate the deal at 4/88 yes it’s an overpay, but what people really need to start thinking about is he isn’t opting out of 25m without having something lined up and made sense financially. I was more hopeful of 4/80 but at the same time I can get on board with having HB here long term and as the cap spikes this is going to be an easy contract to get out of down the road.
Now let’s see if we were able to negotiate a front loaded contract or a flat 22m per year.


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Re: Harrison Barnes declines $25.1m player option. [Update: Kings plan to offer extension in 4/90 range. Pg. 4] 

Post#85 » by SmellingColors » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:54 pm

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jeffjtk1234 wrote:I will say though my issue with this is who are we competing against for him? Let the market determine his value don’t just throw money at the guy.


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They weren’t going up against anyone, but they were clearly working on it since the trade. IMO from Barnes’ side they wanted the long term guaranteed money, but let’s be honest, no one with half a brain is walking away from 25m so that needs to be factored in beforehand.
So essentially they come up with a number that while it’s more than what he is worth overall it keeps him in Sacramento long term, the Kings also get a little more cap space to play with. This was all done prior, it isn’t a new development or anything. The Kings were comfortable with how HB fits with the organisation. People can question that fit too, but on the contract this was a negotiation that’s been done for a while.
When we isolate the deal at 4/88 yes it’s an overpay, but what people really need to start thinking about is he isn’t opting out of 25m without having something lined up and made sense financially. I was more hopeful of 4/80 but at the same time I can get on board with having HB here long term and as the cap spikes this is going to be an easy contract to get out of down the road.
Now let’s see if we were able to negotiate a front loaded contract or a flat 22m per year.


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This exactly. He opted out for security, but the starting negotiation was at $25 million so it's a matter of what he was willing to come down from. When we play numbers on here it's easy to pass over the fact that he just left $3 million on the table. In reality, that's a ton of money.

It's also nice that this sounds like it's already negotiated so we can focus on other targets in FA instead of Barnes' contract. The idea that we were going to go away from him this offseason I felt was always a little unrealistic and now we can, ideally, focus on getting our starting C, backup PG, and backup SF figured out.
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Post#86 » by benchmobbin02 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:31 pm

BoogieTime wrote:Of course not an acceptable amount whatsoever... I continue not to support the FO. Is there anyone remotely challenging us on those terms?

Though Barnes is a solid player and there weren’t going to be better wing options soon most likely


It doesn't have to do with challenging the terms imo. I think if we didn't come in with 4 years and atleast 20mil he would have just taken his option. He fits the team and coach, is a good teammate, that will never be in trouble, is entering his prime and can play in any lineup.
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Post#87 » by rpa » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:05 pm

I'd just like to point out how much Washington screwed the Kings by trading OPJ for Chicago's garbage. That forced us to make a move for Barnes which in turn forced us to extend him because--surprise surprise--we don't have any other realistic options (that are some combination of cheaper and or better) at SF.
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Post#88 » by BoogieTime » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:39 pm

I’m settling down on this a bit. I mean, no other better SFs are coming along soon (next years class is worse). Maybe we were in a position of needing a number like this to lock him up. The number was just a bit jarring, I expected late teens at most
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Post#89 » by Bosnian Diehard » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:42 pm

Paying this much for Barnes signals we are ready to push for Playoffs now. We have to acquire an impact center, whether through trade (Adams, Capela) or signing (Horford, Vučević). Still have plenty of cap space to get it done.
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Post#90 » by simonbampfield » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:17 pm

BoogieTime wrote:I’m settling down on this a bit. I mean, no other better SFs are coming along soon (next years class is worse). Maybe we were in a position of needing a number like this to lock him up. The number was just a bit jarring, I expected late teens at most

I think the initial look at the number is exactly that, jarring.
I don’t think we will find anyone that is going to say we got a bargain. We know it was an overpay, we know Vlade has no problem with doing that for who he perceives as a good fit, both on and off the court.
I would have liked the starting point for his contract to be 17-18, but that might have been wishful thinking.
Honestly we would have been more peeved off with the FO if Barnes left and we ended up without a SF again, and then the same people who are crapping on this contract would be the same people saying well you could have just signed Barnes.
IMO this is a sign the franchise is going to be willing to spend money if the team is right and Vlade is being given the opportunity to put his team together.
One thing is for sure though, we have to get one of the FA/trade 5s that are available because the west isn’t getting any easier by the day.


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Post#91 » by bleeds_purple » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:21 am

Let's see how much everyone gets paid this off-season before we complain it's an overpay. Understand this contract is equivalent to like 10-12M before the cap boomed. I still don't think people have internalized the new numbers yet. Contracts go up to $50M now.
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Post#92 » by City of Trees » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:46 am

To gauge the Barnes signing lets look at the Small Forward salaries for 2019

1. LeBron James - $37,436,858

2. Paul George - $33,005,556

3. Gordon Hayward - $32,700,690

4. Andrew Wiggins - $27,504,630

5 Otto Porter Jr. - $27,250,575

6 Chandler Parsons- $25,102,511

7 Danilo Gallinari - $22,615,559

8 Evan Turner - $18,606,557

9 Andre Iguodala - $17,185,185

10 Justise Winslow - $13,000,000

11 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - $13,000,000

12 Solomon Hill - $12,758,781

13 Joe Ingles - $11,954,546

14 Robert Covington - $11,301,219

15 Maurice Harkless - $11,011,236


Note: the free agent class will fill in this list once they've signed.

The possibility of Barnes not being paid top 10 in his position is very real. Barnes falling in line between 10-15 for his position feels right and feels like a win for Sac.
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Post#93 » by simonbampfield » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:34 am

City of Trees wrote:To gauge the Barnes signing lets look at the Small Forward salaries for 2019

1. LeBron James - $37,436,858

2. Paul George - $33,005,556

3. Gordon Hayward - $32,700,690

4. Andrew Wiggins - $27,504,630

5 Otto Porter Jr. - $27,250,575

6 Chandler Parsons- $25,102,511

7 Danilo Gallinari - $22,615,559

8 Evan Turner - $18,606,557

9 Andre Iguodala - $17,185,185

10 Justise Winslow - $13,000,000

11 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - $13,000,000

12 Solomon Hill - $12,758,781

13 Joe Ingles - $11,954,546

14 Robert Covington - $11,301,219

15 Maurice Harkless - $11,011,236


Note: the free agent class will fill in this list once they've signed.

The possibility of Barnes not being paid top 10 in his position is very real. Barnes falling in line between 10-15 for his position feels right and feels like a win for Sac.


Good list.
I agree, I think Barnes ends up somewhere around the middle. He needs to improve on what he did late in the season with us, but with an off season and pre season with the group one can only be hopeful he will be a vital cog in a PO push.
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Post#94 » by gundysmullet » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:04 am

jeffjtk1234 wrote:It’s not a bad deal for Barnes. It’s a slight overpay but let’s be happy we have a legit 3 who knows Luke’s system.


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Honest question, what makes Harrison Barnes “legit”?
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Post#95 » by BoogieTime » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:09 am

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jeffjtk1234 wrote:It’s not a bad deal for Barnes. It’s a slight overpay but let’s be happy we have a legit 3 who knows Luke’s system.


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Honest question, what makes Harrison Barnes “legit”?

Is this a troll response?

He’s a top ten pick talent who isn’t deficient at anything who fits with our core
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Post#96 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:52 pm

I have been going back and forth on this... flip flopping all over the place. I think that Barnes is solid but not great. I don't think he is top 10 (maybe not top 15) at his position. I would rather see a trade and grab Covington for example.

But I just don't know what is available to Vlade. In a vacuum, I would want to see a 3/60. But this might not be realistic. Others have made some pretty compelling arguments to keep him (appreciate the various opinions).

As others have pointed out - coming away with no SF would be pretty tragic if we want to make the playoffs this year.

I guess we will find out how this ends in a couple of days.
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Post#97 » by gundysmullet » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:24 pm

BoogieTime wrote:
gundysmullet wrote:
jeffjtk1234 wrote:It’s not a bad deal for Barnes. It’s a slight overpay but let’s be happy we have a legit 3 who knows Luke’s system.


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Honest question, what makes Harrison Barnes “legit”?

Is this a troll response?

He’s a top ten pick talent who isn’t deficient at anything who fits with our core


What do you mean by “top 10 pick talent”? And just because someone questions your opinion does not make them a “troll”. I was looking for specific answers; what makes Harrison Barnes “legit”? Because his advanced statistics are utterly horrific not to mention the fact that it doesn’t seem that he has a real passion for the game of basketball. So I will ask you one more time, what specifically makes Harrison Barnes “legit”? Thanks
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Post#99 » by benchmobbin02 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:28 pm

gundysmullet wrote:Why can’t Bojdonovic play small forward?


He can versus some SFs but he is better suited to be our 6th man off the bench that runs the offense when Fox is sitting.
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Post#100 » by gundysmullet » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:32 pm

benchmobbin02 wrote:
gundysmullet wrote:Why can’t Bojdonovic play small forward?


He can versus some SFs but he is better suited to be our 6th man off the bench that runs the offense when Fox is sitting.

I was just asking because dckingsfan said there wouldn’t be an sf on the team if they didn’t resign Barnes and I think Bogdonovic is better. I just do not understand spending so much money on such a mediocre player like Harrison Barnes.

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