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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#221 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:05 pm

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I like it...$22.5m avg yearly amount is a 21% of cap contract. A max deal for Vucevic was 30% of cap; the average starter salary is 16%-17% of cap.

If the structure is descending even better..something like $25m/$23m/$21m/$19m is solid.

its not crippling, i just dont think its "amazing"


Please entertain us with your unrealistic definition of an amazing contract?


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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#222 » by MoMM » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:06 pm

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tiderulz wrote:its not crippling, i just dont think its "amazing"

What would be amazing for you? 15M/year 2years deal?

$20mil/yr would be amazing to me.

4 years?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#223 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:08 pm

tiderulz wrote:
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tiderulz wrote:its not crippling, i just dont think its "amazing"

What would be amazing for you? 15M/year 2years deal?

$20mil/yr would be amazing to me.


So in theory this is a really great contract by your standards if it’s only 2.5 shy of an amazing contract?

I’ll take that.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#224 » by drsd » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:11 pm

4 fo 90 is a fantastic deal from a front office perspective.

For the haters: there is no 5th year. And this averages to only 22.5M a year.



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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#225 » by MoMM » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:14 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
MoMM wrote:What would be amazing for you? 15M/year 2years deal?

$20mil/yr would be amazing to me.


So in theory this is a really great contract by your standards if it’s only 2.5 shy of an amazing contract?

I’ll take that.

Yes and when you see a guy like Barnes getting 80M (20M/year), I can say that 90M is amazing without any doubt.

Now it's fime to focus on bringing TRoss back, what are your definitions of amazing contract for us?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#226 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:15 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
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MoMM wrote:What would be amazing for you? 15M/year 2years deal?

$20mil/yr would be amazing to me.


So in theory this is a really great contract by your standards if it’s only 2.5 shy of an amazing contract?

I’ll take that.

I said from the beginning i didnt think it was crippling. Its not bad, i just dont think its amazing. you do. good for you. thats why forum boards work and that people have different opinions
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#227 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:16 pm

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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:$20mil/yr would be amazing to me.


So in theory this is a really great contract by your standards if it’s only 2.5 shy of an amazing contract?

I’ll take that.

Yes and when you see a guy like Barnes getting 80M (20M/year), I can say that 90M is amazing without any doubt.

Now it's fime to focus on bringing TRoss back, what are your definitions of amazing contract for us?

wing position is more important than center in today's NBA.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#228 » by ezzzp » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:16 pm

j-ragg wrote:Front loading might end up putting them in the tax (depending on Ross).



Vuc at $25.75m 1st yr of descending deal and Ross at $15m flat leaves them about $3m below tax line with 12 contracts + Birch and MCW cap holds ...they can stay under. If it comes down to it, they can stretch Mozgov and be way below, but I doubt they do that.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#229 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:17 pm

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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:$20mil/yr would be amazing to me.


So in theory this is a really great contract by your standards if it’s only 2.5 shy of an amazing contract?

I’ll take that.

Yes and when you see a guy like Barnes getting 80M (20M/year), I can say that 90M is amazing without any doubt.

Now it's fime to focus on bringing TRoss back, what are your definitions of amazing contract for us?

again, if we all thought the same, how boring would the world be. You have your definitions of what is great and what you want, i have mine. that helps make the world go round.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#230 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:17 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:$20mil/yr would be amazing to me.


So in theory this is a really great contract by your standards if it’s only 2.5 shy of an amazing contract?

I’ll take that.

I said from the beginning i didnt think it was crippling. Its not bad, i just dont think its amazing. you do. good for you. thats why forum boards work and that people have different opinions


I just want you to agree that by your standards it’s a great contract being it’s only 2.5m away from your amazing kinda contract.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#231 » by SOUL » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:18 pm

Remember though this doesn't mean Vuc necessarily wants this amount. It's what we're prepared to offer him.

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I don't agree with anything this guy says, but in theory, it could be looked at in a way from Vuc's perspective like hm, maybe I should look to see what else is out there, if there are better $$$ offers elsewhere.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#232 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:18 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
So in theory this is a really great contract by your standards if it’s only 2.5 shy of an amazing contract?

I’ll take that.

I said from the beginning i didnt think it was crippling. Its not bad, i just dont think its amazing. you do. good for you. thats why forum boards work and that people have different opinions


I just want you to agree that by your standards it’s a great contract being it’s only 2.5m away from your amazing kinda contract.

its a good contract on the position that today's NBA has shown you dont need elite talent at to win.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#233 » by MoMM » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:19 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MoMM wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
So in theory this is a really great contract by your standards if it’s only 2.5 shy of an amazing contract?

I’ll take that.

Yes and when you see a guy like Barnes getting 80M (20M/year), I can say that 90M is amazing without any doubt.

Now it's fime to focus on bringing TRoss back, what are your definitions of amazing contract for us?

again, if we all thought the same, how boring would the world be. You have your definitions of what is great and what you want, i have mine. that helps make the world go round.

Not questioning it, if you read my msg you will see that I can say it's amazing.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#234 » by MoMM » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:20 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MoMM wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
So in theory this is a really great contract by your standards if it’s only 2.5 shy of an amazing contract?

I’ll take that.

Yes and when you see a guy like Barnes getting 80M (20M/year), I can say that 90M is amazing without any doubt.

Now it's fime to focus on bringing TRoss back, what are your definitions of amazing contract for us?

wing position is more important than center in today's NBA.

Would you be amazed if we re-sign Fournier to a 80M/4-year deal next offseason if he opts-out?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#235 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:21 pm

I agree it’s a bit premature to celebrate, a lot can change from now and Sunday.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#236 » by Def Swami » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:23 pm

$90 mill is about right. Would have preferred $80 mill or less years. But this is probably the market value for Vucevic. For a team that is not interested in taking steps backward, he had the leverage to get this deal. If this deal descends like AG's, then it's a good deal.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#237 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:24 pm

MoMM wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
MoMM wrote:Yes and when you see a guy like Barnes getting 80M (20M/year), I can say that 90M is amazing without any doubt.

Now it's fime to focus on bringing TRoss back, what are your definitions of amazing contract for us?

wing position is more important than center in today's NBA.

Would you be amazed if we re-sign Fournier to a 80M/4-year deal next offseason if he opts-out?

for what he has shown, i would call it a mistake.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#238 » by ezzzp » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:24 pm

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#239 » by Def Swami » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:24 pm

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#240 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:24 pm

Def Swami wrote:$90 mill is about right. Would have preferred $80 mill or less years. But this is probably the market value for Vucevic. For a team that is not interested in taking steps backward, he had the leverage to get this deal. If this deal descends like AG's, then it's a good deal.

look out. if you dont call it amazing, the torches and pitchforks come out.

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