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Post#201 » by Bleeding Green » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:20 am

Curmudgeon wrote:That spin move isn't going to work so well in the NBA. He will need a consistent elbow jumper, and eventually a corner three. He's made for the high post, though, with his vision and passing ability.

Luckily he had some of the best mid-range percentages in the NCAA last year along with a very good FT% (which improved every year at Tennessee). He has elite agility, dunno why his spin move won't work in the NBA.
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Post#202 » by return2glory » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:28 am

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I also think he's going to need to develop a consistent 3 point shot to be more than a deep bench player.


He is a very intelligent person. His mom is a genius. He is also a hard worker and loves to learn. That being said, I’m confident he is working on developing a consistent 3 point shot.
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Post#203 » by return2glory » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:34 am

I know it’s early, but I’m Grant Williams is the 2nd rookie drafted by Boston that I’m most excited about in the past 10 years. First is Tatum.

He is smart, strong, impacts winning, can score in the post, can score from outside, gets to the line, plays defense, rebounds, and passes. There is a lot to like about his game.

I’m also really excited about Carsen Edwards. Langford should be exciting in a year or two as well.
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Post#204 » by Gomes3PC » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:07 am

Williams has good form on his jumper and isnt flustered when contested. I am confident he will extend his range. Its no sure thing but guys with his FT/midrange shooting profile and mechanics tend to figure out how to extend to 3PT at least as a spot up safety valve.
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Post#205 » by shi-woo » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:33 am

After watching the tape, Williams reminds me of a young Paul Milsap, bit not nearly as good of a defender because of the wingspan differential.

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Post#206 » by GregB » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:34 am

Grants in between/midrange game look solid. He has a really quick release on a mini hook. I think that shot works at the NBA level. Especially if he can shoot the 3. Could he start?
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Post#207 » by Barnsey » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:51 pm

shi-woo wrote:After watching the tape, Williams reminds me of a young Paul Milsap, bit not nearly as good of a defender because of the wingspan differential.

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Grant Williams' standing reach (8'8.5") is only 1" shorter than Paul Millsap (8'9.5") despite the almost 4" difference in wingspan
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Post#208 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:08 pm

Williams' shuttle time was actually great. His leap and sprint results ... weren't.
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Post#209 » by Slartibartfast » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:14 pm

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Curmudgeon wrote:That spin move isn't going to work so well in the NBA. He will need a consistent elbow jumper, and eventually a corner three. He's made for the high post, though, with his vision and passing ability.

Luckily he had some of the best mid-range percentages in the NCAA last year along with a very good FT% (which improved every year at Tennessee). He has elite agility, dunno why his spin move won't work in the NBA.


I think a lot of his individual creation will be swallowed up by NBA length. He has good agility, but he's not leaving people in the dust.

Paint scoring in the NBA is a different animal with all the monsters on the floor - I think Grant will have to be much more opportunistic there, posting up bad defenders or guards switches.
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Post#210 » by 3D Chess » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:18 pm

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Bleeding Green wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:That spin move isn't going to work so well in the NBA. He will need a consistent elbow jumper, and eventually a corner three. He's made for the high post, though, with his vision and passing ability.

Luckily he had some of the best mid-range percentages in the NCAA last year along with a very good FT% (which improved every year at Tennessee). He has elite agility, dunno why his spin move won't work in the NBA.


I think a lot of his individual creation will be swallowed up by NBA length. He has good agility, but he's not leaving people in the dust.

Paint scoring in the NBA is a different animal with all the monsters on the floor - I think Grant will have to be much more opportunistic there, posting up bad defenders or guards switches.

The upside is that he'll have no problem scoring in the paint in team scrimmages :lol:
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Post#211 » by Slartibartfast » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:19 pm

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shi-woo wrote:After watching the tape, Williams reminds me of a young Paul Milsap, bit not nearly as good of a defender because of the wingspan differential.

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Grant Williams' standing reach (8'8.5") is only 1" shorter than Paul Millsap (8'9.5") despite the almost 4" difference in wingspan


Millsap was a bit more explosive athlete. Wingspan matters in steals too.
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Post#212 » by Gomes3PC » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:27 am

Millsaps athleticism was seen in his crazy rebound rate too.

Grant kind of reminds me of Ryan Gomes, but I think he has better footspeed and a bit better perimeter game.
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Post#213 » by tombattor » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:11 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:Millsaps athleticism was seen in his crazy rebound rate too.

Grant kind of reminds me of Ryan Gomes, but I think he has better footspeed and a bit better perimeter game.

haha, I liked Gomes too. Hopefully he can do Gomes thing on a winning team.
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Post#214 » by Bleeding Green » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:24 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Barnsey wrote:
shi-woo wrote:After watching the tape, Williams reminds me of a young Paul Milsap, bit not nearly as good of a defender because of the wingspan differential.

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Grant Williams' standing reach (8'8.5") is only 1" shorter than Paul Millsap (8'9.5") despite the almost 4" difference in wingspan


Millsap was a bit more explosive athlete. Wingspan matters in steals too.

Per the combine:

Millsap: 11.67 lane agility, 3.30 3/4 sprint, 28.5/32.5 vert, 15 reps, 8'9.5" reach, 7'1.5" wingspan
Williams: 10.83 lane agility, 3.27 3/4 sprint, 26/31.5 vert, 20 reps, 8'8.5" reach, 6'9.5" wingpsan

Millsap has the wingspan by a good margin, but Williams is significantly more agile. 1 inch difference in max vert.
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Post#215 » by Slartibartfast » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:20 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Barnsey wrote:Grant Williams' standing reach (8'8.5") is only 1" shorter than Paul Millsap (8'9.5") despite the almost 4" difference in wingspan


Millsap was a bit more explosive athlete. Wingspan matters in steals too.

Per the combine:

Millsap: 11.67 lane agility, 3.30 3/4 sprint, 28.5/32.5 vert, 15 reps, 8'9.5" reach, 7'1.5" wingspan
Williams: 10.83 lane agility, 3.27 3/4 sprint, 26/31.5 vert, 20 reps, 8'8.5" reach, 6'9.5" wingpsan

Millsap has the wingspan by a good margin, but Williams is significantly more agile. 1 inch difference in max vert.


It would be nice if he could match Millsap's speed and quickness, but the combine can be pretty sketchy for projecting these kinds of things.

The Plumlees and Zellers always did well in those and then looked underwhelming moving laterally in game situations.
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Post#216 » by Bleeding Green » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:28 pm

Really? I think Tyler Zeller was awesome at running the court, probably his best attribute. Ditto the good Plumlee. Mason is very agile defensively.
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Post#217 » by Slartibartfast » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:46 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:Really? I think Tyler Zeller was awesome at running the court, probably his best attribute. Ditto the good Plumlee. Mason is very agile defensively.


TZ was a great rim runner, but he had a nice lane agility score too and I always thought he was meh as a PNR hedger.
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Post#218 » by Bostonic33 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:37 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Bleeding Green wrote:Really? I think Tyler Zeller was awesome at running the court, probably his best attribute. Ditto the good Plumlee. Mason is very agile defensively.


TZ was a great rim runner, but he had a nice lane agility score too and I always thought he was meh as a PNR hedger.


What I remember most about TZ was nobody was afraid to take the ball in against him... and they usually made the basket.
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Post#219 » by sam_I_am » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:21 am

Remember .... Grant Williams is a #22 pick. It is expected that he never amounts to anything. I am excited about him because some rated him as top 10 prospect although it’s true some rated him lower. But the truth is that if he is just a serviceable role player for any part of next 4 years the he is a good pick. For every Reggie Lewis drafted at 22, there are a dozen Jared Dudley’s and plenty of Fab Melos too.
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Post#220 » by Upperclass » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:00 am

Unfortunately I think he takes Yabuseles position as dead weight. I don't think he can contribute with the skills he has

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