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Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough

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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#961 » by SelbyCobra » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:20 am

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GEOLINK wrote:Gotta imagine KD has stroke around the league to bring players with him. Unlike Melo.

Again the injury is such a large elephant in the room. I dunno if any player is willing to throw a year away waiting for KD


This is the most fascinating aspect of this whole thing to me. KD has immense gravity because he's an inner-circle NBA HOFer in his prime...and that pull is pitted against the force of the most ominous "standard" injury in the game.

When push comes to shove I personally can't see how any major player in his prime would actively choose to downgrade a year of his career on the hope that Durant defies the achilles recovery odds. At a very basic level it seems like a poor bet to make.
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#962 » by F N 11 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:26 am

Damn Darren you had plenty left.
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#963 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:28 am

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stuporman wrote:Everyone else who is really hesitant to have 2/3s of the cap tied up in two players that have the injury risks KD and Kyrie have and1 this post.......


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I still And1'd you though :wink:


Oh the irony....
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#964 » by Jeffrey » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:29 am

I haven't really said anything for a good 24-48 hours. Some of y'all going to get an ulcer if you continue this past reading up about Jason Kidd's son, Carl and all that voodoo sources on twitter.
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#965 » by Stannis » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:36 am

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Lol @ this clown listing the nets first.


alphabetical order.

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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#966 » by stuporman » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:38 am

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I still And1'd you though :wink:


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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#967 » by SelbyCobra » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:39 am

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Monk1718 wrote:Lol @ this clown listing the nets first.


alphabetical order.

How convenient


If he doesn't know the alphabet.

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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#968 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:44 am

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then they would essentially be out of the Kemba sweepstakes


Maybe Kemba could be persuaded to take less than the max on the Celtics if he knew he would be playing on a competitive playoff team?

Like $16M/yr less?


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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#969 » by SelbyCobra » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:48 am

F N 11 wrote:Damn Darren you had plenty left.


Something a little off about this. He gives no pointed reason in the article he put up on The Undefeated.

I wonder if this is connected to family issues. Dude assaulted his wife in a house down the road from me and got a slap on the wrist. They'd been together forever, and they're still together - he cites her explicitly as his rock in the article. As an aside, he sold the house at a loss despite buying at a low point and selling at a high one and probably didn't lose sleep - NBA athletes really operate at a different level financially.
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#970 » by Sark » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:55 am

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What's the list of nba bigmen that came back from an ACL and fulfilled their promise?



There's not a lot of bigmen that had it, but many have made full recoveries. Al Jefferson had it.

Now list the players that came back from an Achilles. It's not a long list. It's Dominique Wilkins.

Oh and Durant is 7 feet as well. Only 3 inches shorter than KP, so the whole height thing is moot.


For the record I didn't ask that question as a setup, I asked it because I read your post, really disagreed with "perpetuating the myth that KP's injury will haunt him forever", and since I was at a kids' sporting event I couldn't do the research right then.

I honestly couldn't think of any. And I feel Al Jefferson actually supports my case - that was a young, dynamic bigman who was the centerpiece in the Garnett trade, and had his best season in the one he got hurt. He was on the upswing, and while he came close in later years to the same level of production he posted the year he got hurt, he never fully came back to even that level. He was 24 and seen as a franchise cornerstone when he got hurt, and it turns out that was the pinnacle of a career many people thought was on it's way to another stratosphere. They traded him less than two years later.

If KP's career production trajectory is going to mimic Jefferson's in terms of how he comes back, the Mavs are in a boatload of trouble in my opinion. Regardless, my main point in responding to your initial post was that I don't think that Porzingis' injury is in any way something that is a layup to come back from. In fact, because of his physical profile I think it's actually something that presents strong odds at impacting his career dramatically, whether an instant ceiling upon his return or further problems down the road. David West was not the same, Nerlens Noel never panned out, Gallinari had comparable rate stats upon his return but couldn't stay on the court, Nene came back and became a great backup bigman, but like you said, there haven't been many.

And I'm not insinuating anything at all about Durant and his achilles for the record - it's a horrific injury with a poor track record. Just that I don't think Porzingis is in any way free and clear.




I'm not a doctor, but I don't think it works that way though. It's not like if you're above a certain height you won't recover, and if you're below you will. Everyone has a different physiology, and heals differently.

The fact is that ACLs are a much easier injury to recover from compared to Achilles tears. Of course there is risk for both, but one is significantly worse than the other. It's like comparing a knife wound to a gun shot. Both can be deadly, but the gun shot tends to worse.


Also were you listening to Alan Hahn's radio show? He was asking who has a better chance at recovery, 22 year old KP or 31 year old Durant, and it was his opinion that Durant is the much safer option. As if Achilles injuries are easy to overcome but ACL tears are not.
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#972 » by RHODEY » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:58 am

SelbyCobra wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:Gotta imagine KD has stroke around the league to bring players with him. Unlike Melo.

Again the injury is such a large elephant in the room. I dunno if any player is willing to throw a year away waiting for KD


This is the most fascinating aspect of this whole thing to me. KD has immense gravity because he's an inner-circle NBA HOFer in his prime...and that pull is pitted against the force of the most ominous "standard" injury in the game.

When push comes to shove I personally can't see how any major player in his prime would actively choose to downgrade a year of his career on the hope that Durant defies the achilles recovery odds. At a very basic level it seems like a poor bet to make.


I see it as more frustrating than fascinating. I'm ready to move on and just concentrate on the kids for now.
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#973 » by bearadonisdna » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:01 am

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DaGawd wrote:Again the injury is such a large elephant in the room. I dunno if any player is willing to throw a year away waiting for KD


This is the most fascinating aspect of this whole thing to me. KD has immense gravity because he's an inner-circle NBA HOFer in his prime...and that pull is pitted against the force of the most ominous "standard" injury in the game.

When push comes to shove I personally can't see how any major player in his prime would actively choose to downgrade a year of his career on the hope that Durant defies the achilles recovery odds. At a very basic level it seems like a poor bet to make.


I see it as more frustrating than fascinating. I'm ready to move on and just concentrate on the kids for now.


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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#974 » by DowNY » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:02 am

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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#975 » by snadler » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:05 am

Why are people acting like it’s Kd or Kahwi when the Knicks clearly have room for both..although don’t think Kawhi was ever really an option
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#976 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:22 am

I has some Jehovah's Witnesses as neighbors.

They really do spend their Sundays knocking on people's doors and handing out pamphlets.
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#977 » by HerSports85 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:25 am

So do we or don’t we have a meeting with Kawhi? Yahoo Canada saying we are scheduled 3rd.

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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#978 » by Signature NYK » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:25 am

Clyde_Style wrote:I has some Jehovah's Witnesses as neighbors.

They really do spend their Sundays knocking on people's doors and handing out pamphlets.


Thats Saturday's man. Sunday's they go to The Kingdom Hall lol
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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

Post#979 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:40 am

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Clyde_Style wrote:I has some Jehovah's Witnesses as neighbors.

They really do spend their Sundays knocking on people's doors and handing out pamphlets.


Thats Saturday's man. Sunday's they go to The Kingdom Hall lol


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Re: Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough 

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