Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough

[Deeeez Knicks]

Randle turns 25 in November . I’m starting to come around on him if we don’t sign 2 top guys.

Same. And I'm against spending money to spend it as a FA strategy, but he fits.

Also, his ability to play in the post, but also creatively from 3 point line on in fits pretty nicely next to a C like Mitch. And while I'm not saying rookie Mitch is career Mitch, Mitch is going to be more similar to what he was last year, then suddenly turn into Hakeem with a jump shot.
Meaning, Randle compliments what Mitch is now and allows him some time to develop more offensively

If you add just Randle and some minor guys, do you think we can make the playoffs?

I think we would still be a ways away unless our young guys really break out.

Randle played with AD and Jrue Holiday and they missed the playoffs. I don't think he can be a huge difference maker here

[vallen]

Last year from his interviews he seems to like guys who can defend. We just dont have any great defenders besides Frank and Mitch

Could have fooled me based on some of his lineup choices and combinations.

Let's assume it was a tank season. Interested to see what happens this year.

Some overall accountability around play, for ALL players, might be nice.

This season should be more interesting. We should be trying to win. Last season Fiz just got to comfortable experimenting so I dont think that would be fair to judge him because he even made some bizarre late game substitutions that clearly seemed like tanking so this upcoming season I think we would actually get to see what kind of system we will be running going foward.

I think you have "experimenting" and "tanking" mixed up. And we shouldnt be competing unless the right players want to come. Otherwise we should stand pat till they do. Were young and still have development to do. Id rather watch our youth run, then wait 4 years for an injury plagued player on the downside of his career to come off the books. I know thats usually how we operate but expecting better this year.

[thebuzzardman]

Randle is a guy who takes a lot of shots on bad teams and generally adds little other than his own stats. The Pelicans stunk last year and have a better roster than the Knicks.

I have that concern about Randle to a degree, but the Pelicans also had injuries, trades, played in the West, and then had to deal with whatever morale fallout there was around AD forcing a trade talk.


Some guys are stats guys on bad teams, but not every good who was "X" on a bad team means he's bad.

[Thugger HBC]

I'm not a fan of Randle, but his talent is unquestionable. I just like my big guys being defensively capable. but at a cheap price, sure.

[thebuzzardman]

Could have fooled me based on some of his lineup choices and combinations.

Let's assume it was a tank season. Interested to see what happens this year.

Some overall accountability around play, for ALL players, might be nice.

This season should be more interesting. We should be trying to win. Last season Fiz just got to comfortable experimenting so I dont think that would be fair to judge him because he even made some bizarre late game substitutions that clearly seemed like tanking so this upcoming season I think we would actually get to see what kind of system we will be running going foward.

I think you have "experimenting" and "tanking" mixed up. And we shouldnt be competing unless the right players want to come. Otherwise we should stand pat till they do. Were young and still have development to do. Id rather watch our youth run, then wait 4 years for an injury plagued player on the downside of his career to come off the books. I know thats usually how we operate but expecting better this year.

Last year the Knicks tanked, but were doing some experimenting in there.

This year, I'd hope they play the youth (they won't have a choice, even if FA's come) and not experiment, and if no FA's, they won't specifically be tanking, but I think enough losses will come and they'll be lottery again, and in the new format, who knows.

[Billy Goat]

Randle is a guy who takes a lot of shots on bad teams and generally adds little other than his own stats. The Pelicans stunk last year and have a better roster than the Knicks.

I have that concern about Randle to a degree, but the Pelicans also had injuries, trades, played in the West, and then had to deal with whatever morale fallout there was around AD forcing a trade talk.


Some guys are stats guys on bad teams, but not every good who was "X" on a bad team means he's bad.

Just feels like a typical Knicks consolation prize that isnt worth it. The bigger issue is ppl will think it's justified bc he'll put up "good" stats while the Knicks struggle to get to 30 wins.

[thebuzzardman]

I'm not a fan of Randle, but his talent is unquestionable. I just like my big guys being defensively capable. but at a cheap price, sure.

But define cheap for a guy at his skillset that is realistic.

He's not taking a Vonleh contract. Hell, he's not taking a Mario contract.

What's your theoretical cutoff? I'd rather limit the years, first off.

[Thugger HBC]

I'm not a fan of Randle, but his talent is unquestionable. I just like my big guys being defensively capable. but at a cheap price, sure.

But define cheap for a guy at his skillset that is realistic.

He's not taking a Vonleh contract. Hell, he's not taking a Mario contract.

What's your theoretical cutoff? I'd rather limit the years, first off.

3yrs 18 mil per.

[Kampuchea]

Bring back Mario!!! If we can't sign anybody, Mario on a 3 year deal with 3rd year being team option.

[Clyde_Style]

[Kampuchea]

I'm not a fan of Randle, but his talent is unquestionable. I just like my big guys being defensively capable. but at a cheap price, sure.

But define cheap for a guy at his skillset that is realistic.

He's not taking a Vonleh contract. Hell, he's not taking a Mario contract.

What's your theoretical cutoff? I'd rather limit the years, first off.

3yrs 18 mil per.

That is not in the Randle range. We can get a guy like Lance Thomas for that much if he interests you.

[BowlRips]

We haven’t seen anyone mentioned as a target that’s a sniper

Perry said in his exit interviews that he wanted to get some shooters on this squad..

Not sure who that could be on a 1-2 year deal

[Thugger HBC]

But define cheap for a guy at his skillset that is realistic.

He's not taking a Vonleh contract. Hell, he's not taking a Mario contract.

What's your theoretical cutoff? I'd rather limit the years, first off.

3yrs 18 mil per.

That is not in the Randle range. We can get a guy like Lance Thomas for that much if he interests you.

Not sure you read it correctly.

[Dantares]

randle is actually a very good switch defender. He is just horrible at protecting the rim because he has Kevin Willis alligator arms. Not sure why people are comparing him to kanter defensively.

Randle's defense would not be a problem as we have Mitch to protect the rim. The problem is neither Mitch or randle can shoot, one of them would have to come off the bench since I don't think you can get away with 2 non shooting bigs anymore. But who knows maybe Mitch will come back with a lethal 3 pointer next year.

[BowlRips]

But define cheap for a guy at his skillset that is realistic.

He's not taking a Vonleh contract. Hell, he's not taking a Mario contract.

What's your theoretical cutoff? I'd rather limit the years, first off.

3yrs 18 mil per.

That is not in the Randle range. We can get a guy like Lance Thomas for that much if he interests you.

On Dunc’d On mock offseason Podcast, the Knicks got Randle for 1 year 13mil. I think that’s a little light
But I think you could get him for

2 years 35 mil within 5mil guaranteed on the second year

[iLLmatic860]

This season should be more interesting. We should be trying to win. Last season Fiz just got to comfortable experimenting so I dont think that would be fair to judge him because he even made some bizarre late game substitutions that clearly seemed like tanking so this upcoming season I think we would actually get to see what kind of system we will be running going foward.

Exactly we got a good young core now and might have a gem in RJ. Its time to show development and the only way to get respect is bby winning games. Look at Hawks and Kings. They missed playoffs but they won enough games where people respect em and say the up and coming. We was tanking last year. People had no reason to watch us. Im tired of dudes sleeping on Mitch. Ive seen so many people talk **** about him that CLEARLY never watched lol

I think you have "experimenting" and "tanking" mixed up. And we shouldnt be competing unless the right players want to come. Otherwise we should stand pat till they do. Were young and still have development to do. Id rather watch our youth run, then wait 4 years for an injury plagued player on the downside of his career to come off the books. I know thats usually how we operate but expecting better this year.

Last year the Knicks tanked, but were doing some experimenting in there.

This year, I'd hope they play the youth (they won't have a choice, even if FA's come) and not experiment, and if no FA's, they won't specifically be tanking, but I think enough losses will come and they'll be lottery again, and in the new format, who knows.

[thebuzzardman]

Randle is a guy who takes a lot of shots on bad teams and generally adds little other than his own stats. The Pelicans stunk last year and have a better roster than the Knicks.

I have that concern about Randle to a degree, but the Pelicans also had injuries, trades, played in the West, and then had to deal with whatever morale fallout there was around AD forcing a trade talk.


Some guys are stats guys on bad teams, but not every good who was "X" on a bad team means he's bad.

Just feels like a typical Knicks consolation prize that isnt worth it. The bigger issue is ppl will think it's justified bc he'll put up "good" stats while the Knicks struggle to get to 30 wins.

Well, that's possible. It would really come down to how the Knicks scouts/FO feel about him, and then, if they were ultimately right. IF they made the call, I could deal with it.

Also, 30 wins is about right, which is why personally view Randle as an iterative step in the rebuild, IF signed, and hopefully for as realistically cheaply as possible, and ideally for 2 years, but DEFINITELY no more than 3. And I'd be really hesitant for 3.

It's really kind of a debate - one I'm having in my head - over "max cats or nothing", meaning, always save ALL the $ for difference makers and spend next to nothing (in terms of commitment over 1 year) on other players.

[Fat Kat]

I'm not a fan of Randle, but his talent is unquestionable. I just like my big guys being defensively capable. but at a cheap price, sure.

But define cheap for a guy at his skillset that is realistic.

He's not taking a Vonleh contract. Hell, he's not taking a Mario contract.

What's your theoretical cutoff? I'd rather limit the years, first off.

How much would Nikola Mirotic cost?

[Kampuchea]

3yrs 18 mil per.

That is not in the Randle range. We can get a guy like Lance Thomas for that much if he interests you.

Not sure you read it correctly.

I definitely did not.

I think your estimate is around what he SHOULD get though. I just hope we aren't the stupid team that gives him over $20m per

[thebuzzardman]

I'm not a fan of Randle, but his talent is unquestionable. I just like my big guys being defensively capable. but at a cheap price, sure.

But define cheap for a guy at his skillset that is realistic.

He's not taking a Vonleh contract. Hell, he's not taking a Mario contract.

What's your theoretical cutoff? I'd rather limit the years, first off.

3yrs 18 mil per.

Probably what he'll get.
I'd try 20 x 2 - he gets a bit more upfront and yearly for the ego, Knicks get shorter commitment, still 7 million less than the young guy max of 27 million.

IF they decide to do this,which I'm not even sure is a good idea. I just needed a frickin break from the twitter rumor wars.