Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras

[Showdown]

Lebron would easily win 10 straight in the 70's and 80's. Anyone who says otherwise is plain wrong.

Just like specimens Malone and Wilinks did.. Even Magic and Robertson couldn't win anything without Kareem on their team.

[Nazrmohamed]

LOL @ Leborn in the pre-3pt era, with bigs clogging the paint.

Lebron is bigger than all of those bigs you're probably referring to and faster than most guards. Definitely more athletic than just about anybody besides maybe Dominique who played at something like 230. Stop this nonsense.

The better argument is for guys who are known as three point shooters who dont like being touched. Lebrons been manhandled and scored through contact. Does he flop? Sure. Does he whine about calls? Of course. But push comes to shove if he realized his antics would get him nowhere hed just play basketball and in doing so demolish 90s era players. I lived through the 90s. There was nobody like Lebron.

[GregOden]

In that 1 minute of listening to those 2 morons I could feel my brain cells dying. Pippen and Rodman would be small guards in this era? Couldn't guard anyone? The sad thing is they probably believe it.

Considering Pippen is as tall or taller than Lebron does that make Lebron a small PG in this era?

[MrDollarBills]

Rodman guarded Shaq and Karl Malone...dude was an insane athlete and very strong. He did that when he was well into his 30s and Shaq was in his 20s.

I remember in the 1996 ECF Rodman was guarding O'Neal in the post 1 on 1 and was giving Shaq trouble despite the massive size difference.

These folks talking garbage have NO idea how good Dennis Rodman was. The dude is crazy as balls but he was one of the best athletes at the PF position I've ever seen.

[MrDollarBills]

Lebron would easily win 10 straight in the 70's and 80's. Anyone who says otherwise is plain wrong.

he would have had to go through the Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons in the 80s. The Celtics and Pistons would have put the lumber on him so hard he would have been scared to enter the paint.

You also have no comprehension about how good Kareem Abdul Jabbar was.

[E-Balla]

LOL @ Leborn in the pre-3pt era, with bigs clogging the paint.

Lebron is bigger than all of those bigs you're probably referring to and faster than most guards. Definitely more athletic than just about anybody besides maybe Dominique who played at something like 230. Stop this nonsense.

LeBron is not bigger than dudes like Nate Thurmond.



Plus the charge rules were different. The second you dropped the shoulder no matter what happened after it was a charge.

The better argument is for guys who are known as three point shooters who dont like being touched. Lebrons been manhandled and scored through contact. Does he flop? Sure. Does he whine about calls? Of course. But push comes to shove if he realized his antics would get him nowhere hed just play basketball and in doing so demolish 90s era players. I lived through the 90s. There was nobody like Lebron.

If you're talking 90s lmao. Nobody like LeBron? LeBron ain't a Shaq.

[Gooner]

Arenas is a clown.

[Nazrmohamed]

LOL @ Leborn in the pre-3pt era, with bigs clogging the paint.

Lebron is bigger than all of those bigs you're probably referring to and faster than most guards. Definitely more athletic than just about anybody besides maybe Dominique who played at something like 230. Stop this nonsense.

LeBron is not bigger than dudes like Nate Thurmond.



Plus the charge rules were different. The second you dropped the shoulder no matter what happened after it was a charge.

The better argument is for guys who are known as three point shooters who dont like being touched. Lebrons been manhandled and scored through contact. Does he flop? Sure. Does he whine about calls? Of course. But push comes to shove if he realized his antics would get him nowhere hed just play basketball and in doing so demolish 90s era players. I lived through the 90s. There was nobody like Lebron.

If you're talking 90s lmao. Nobody like LeBron? LeBron ain't a Shaq.

Exactly, he can dribble and hit free throw. Lol. Nah but seriously it wouldn't matter. There were players other than Cs and bigs who were good in the 90s. 80s and 70s werent there? Ok so if they were able to dominate why wouldnt Lebron be able to dominate? It's a silly argument. And you know what? I think physicality would suit Lebron cuase then guess what? He gets to be physical.

[BostonCouchGM]

people conveniently forgetting that HGH wasn't a thing back then. Lebron wouldn't be running around at 260 lbs. He'd have been built more like McGrady. And they allowed defense and there were actually guys clogging the paint and driving lanes which would have taken away mostly what Lebron can do offensively.

[E-Balla]

Lebron is bigger than all of those bigs you're probably referring to and faster than most guards. Definitely more athletic than just about anybody besides maybe Dominique who played at something like 230. Stop this nonsense.

LeBron is not bigger than dudes like Nate Thurmond.



Plus the charge rules were different. The second you dropped the shoulder no matter what happened after it was a charge.

The better argument is for guys who are known as three point shooters who dont like being touched. Lebrons been manhandled and scored through contact. Does he flop? Sure. Does he whine about calls? Of course. But push comes to shove if he realized his antics would get him nowhere hed just play basketball and in doing so demolish 90s era players. I lived through the 90s. There was nobody like Lebron.

If you're talking 90s lmao. Nobody like LeBron? LeBron ain't a Shaq.

Exactly, he can dribble and hit free throw. Lol. Nah but seriously it wouldn't matter. There were players other than Cs and bigs who were good in the 90s. 80s and 70s werent there? Ok so if they were able to dominate why wouldnt Lebron be able to dominate? It's a silly argument. And you know what? I think physicality would suit Lebron cuase then guess what? He gets to be physical.

The thread is about people saying he would win 15 straight rings. No **** he'd still be a great player in the 70s, he wouldn't be Bill Russell reincarnate.

And physicality was only allowed on defense back then. Like I said LeBron would get whistled so fast when dropping his shoulder or doing his patented stiff arm. A lot of those moves he does would be called travels too. There's just so many things that'll be different for LeBron back then, enough to think he wouldn't be as effective as he currently is.

[frica]

Always love seeing these threads. Basketball talent is better today. Its absolutely ridiculous that some people think otherwise.

Literally no other industry thinks to themselves they were better in the pre-analytical era

Just curious why do you keep saying this? Is this based off of stats, because better stats doesn't mean the talent is better.

US population between 18-35 has become larger. Although I guess the 2000s had the largest pop of African American males between 18-35.

Basketball has become more international so there's a lot more available talent from outside the US these days.

Decades of experience from scouts, (better) advanced statistics probably allow more effective scouting too.

(Regarding the 50s/60s), segregation has ended and black people have much more freedom to participate in team sports.

[Ambrose]

While I agree 90's players need to STFU the generations argument is so weak. Yes, the league is deeper now. Yes, the average player is more athletic and more skilled. However, the top guys have always battled each other and held their own. Old Wilt hung with Kareem. Old Kareem hung with Hakeem. Old Hakeem hung with Shaq, etc. They could all play.

[frica]

There's a lot that is factually incorrect about what Arenas/Williams said. The average height/weight for players hasn't really changed much in the last 30-40 years. And if we're talking athleticism, I think the 96 finals teams match up pretty well athleticism wise to this year's finals teams.

The 90s peaked when it came to center/pf height.

Centers and power forwards have shrunk a little, guards have become bigger.
Average height has remained 6'7 since forever but the positions have grown closer to it.

[chrisab123]

I'm just here for the comments on Gilbert and shots fired in the same subject

[Nazrmohamed]

LeBron is not bigger than dudes like Nate Thurmond.



Plus the charge rules were different. The second you dropped the shoulder no matter what happened after it was a charge.


If you're talking 90s lmao. Nobody like LeBron? LeBron ain't a Shaq.

Exactly, he can dribble and hit free throw. Lol. Nah but seriously it wouldn't matter. There were players other than Cs and bigs who were good in the 90s. 80s and 70s werent there? Ok so if they were able to dominate why wouldnt Lebron be able to dominate? It's a silly argument. And you know what? I think physicality would suit Lebron cuase then guess what? He gets to be physical.

The thread is about people saying he would win 15 straight rings. No **** he'd still be a great player in the 70s, he wouldn't be Bill Russell reincarnate.

And physicality was only allowed on defense back then. Like I said LeBron would get whistled so fast when dropping his shoulder or doing his patented stiff arm. A lot of those moves he does would be called travels too. There's just so many things that'll be different for LeBron back then, enough to think he wouldn't be as effective as he currently is.

Oh ok, didnt see that. That's alittle crazy 15. Even 6 is crazy. I guess I came in late and thought this was one of those "Lebron couldn't survive in other era" threads. I do think hed be the best player or at least in the top 3 in just about every era but it is indeed a team sport.

[Sedale Threatt]

lmao. He's not wrong. Pippen opens himself up to this when he says he could shut down anybody in today's game. Bruh was a buck-90 back then; that aint guarding Lebron today

In his prime he was almost the exact same size as Kawhi Leonard, this quote is sig worthy.

Yup, that’s the contemporary equivalent. I don’t know if Scottie was better than Leonard — he at least never won any DPOYs — but anybody who can’t tell he was absolutely elite from about five minutes of film doesn’t know sh*t about basketball. Size, length, speed, quickness, strength, explosiveness, instincts ... he had absolutely everything you could want in a perimeter defender. Nobody could stop LeBron, but Pippen would have absolutely held his own. He’s certainly on a completely different tier than Iguodala, who got a Finals MVP because he kinda/sorta speed bumped LeBron for a couple of games.

[Sedale Threatt]

lmao. He's not wrong. Pippen opens himself up to this when he says he could shut down anybody in today's game. Bruh was a buck-90 back then; that aint guarding Lebron today

That was embarassing when Barkley told how young Dirk dropped 55 on Pip lol

When did this happen?

[Sedale Threatt]

He had him beat pre draft (just talking bodies).

Right, that's why he was only able to bench 185 3 times during the draft combine. Really strong.

Sure, but he's one of the strongest in the league atm. With about 2% body fat.

Whereas Pippen was a complete weakling.



Not saying he’s stronger than Leonard, who has tremendous functional strength. But so many of you guys are coming from a position of complete ignorance. Pippen was one of the first NBA players to seriously get into weight lifting. His combination of strength, athleticism and size would still be elite today.

[smallgains]

I'm just here for the comments on Gilbert and shots fired in the same subject

[Detective]

Lebron in the 70's would be fat or have health issues from playing the way he does, because the training technology he depends on wouldn't exist. Different eras, different ways on how they developed their players.