Around the League Discussion - 2018-2019 (Playoffs)

Arsenal · Post #681 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:55 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Big get for the Celtics. Kemba and Jayson will keep them in the mix. If Hayward gets back to form, they're a stealth contender in the east.

If they get a decent big for the RME they should be in the mix for home court and 3-4 seed. A guy like Nerlens Noel might be what they need.

cool93 · Post #682 » by **cool93** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:06 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:LOL at Boston getting a Kyrie wannabee when they couldn't even get it done with the real thing . Of course it's only natural for some Philly fans to act like everything they do is "great", but the fact is they were the favourites last year and totally bombed and now they will most certainly have a weaker squad. So forgive me for not being bothered about them.

Kemba is better player than Kyrie. Kyrie is way overhyped, cause he played with LeBron.

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PhillyPhilly · Post #683 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:09 pm

cool93 wrote:
PhillyPhilly wrote:LOL at Boston getting a Kyrie wannabee when they couldn't even get it done with the real thing . Of course it's only natural for some Philly fans to act like everything they do is "great", but the fact is they were the favourites last year and totally bombed and now they will most certainly have a weaker squad. So forgive me for not being bothered about them.
Kemba is better player than Kyrie. Kyrie is way overhyped, cause he played with LeBron.

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The stats suggest otherwise and so does the fact that Kyrie has won a championship and is younger as well.

reignfire · Post #684 » by **reignfire** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:14 pm

cool93 wrote:
PhillyPhilly wrote:LOL at Boston getting a Kyrie wannabee when they couldn't even get it done with the real thing . Of course it's only natural for some Philly fans to act like everything they do is "great", but the fact is they were the favourites last year and totally bombed and now they will most certainly have a weaker squad. So forgive me for not being bothered about them.
Kemba is better player than Kyrie. Kyrie is way overhyped, cause he played with LeBron.

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Kyrie >>>> Kemba, by some margin.

Kemba is nice, but he's a bad max contract.

The Celtics lost everything that was bothering the Sixers. Well, almost everything.

They still got Brett Brown

cool93 · Post #685 » by **cool93** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:16 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:
cool93 wrote:
PhillyPhilly wrote:LOL at Boston getting a Kyrie wannabee when they couldn't even get it done with the real thing . Of course it's only natural for some Philly fans to act like everything they do is "great", but the fact is they were the favourites last year and totally bombed and now they will most certainly have a weaker squad. So forgive me for not being bothered about them.
Kemba is better player than Kyrie. Kyrie is way overhyped, cause he played with LeBron.

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The stats suggest otherwise and so does the fact that Kyrie has won a championship and is younger as well.

Lol, I literally said about being overhyped cause of LeBron. Kemba was triple teamed his entire career. Was he suppose to win a title with Kaminsky and MCW? Kyrie literally **** his pants every time he didn't have LeBron.

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76ciology · Post #686 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:55 am

Kyrie is overhyped as an alpha. But he’s perfect as a robin to an alpha player like KD or LeBron.

Post #687 » by **Sixerscan** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:11 pm

Everything that’s happened with the Nets and Celtics is a pretty big reminder that winning trades and winning championships are two very different things.

Wilfried · Post #688 » by **Wilfried** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:39 am

The D of the Celtics with Kemba Walker and Enes Kanter will not be so great

76ciology · Post #689 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:10 am

Wilfried wrote:The D of the Celtics with Kemba Walker and Enes Kanter will not be so great

Brad has a system in hiding bigs with poor defense. Thus their liking with Okafor back then

76ciology · Post #690 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:12 am

Sixerscan wrote:Everything that’s happened with the Nets and Celtics is a pretty big reminder that winning trades and winning championships are two very different things.

Unrealized assets is also a way different animal from materialized players.

Post #691 » by **BullyKing** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 11:02 am

In case you were wondering, Boston fans have moved on from Durant, PG13, Kawhi, Butler, and AD and now its KAT that's the white whale they're building towards.

VDT · Post #692 » by **VDT** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 11:28 am

I mean Ainge made some mistakes but he has been good all in all.

But in an age when players routinely join forces and pick where they will form a superteam its hard for a FO to compete with that no matter how good it is. If Durant had picked the Celtics three years ago things would be completely different.

GoSixersBro · Post #693 » by **GoSixersBro** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 3:16 pm

PhilaOwnsBoston wrote:I don’t think Kawhi, LeBron and Davis would work. They certainly wouldn’t get to the Finals and I wouldn’t be shocked if they miss the playoffs. I’m not kidding when I say that either. They’d be the trendy pick to go all the way, which eliminates them right there, the trendy pick never wins. They’d have zero depth, their 5th starter and entire bench would basically have to be d league guys. And Davis gets hurt every year and as LeBron gets older he’s more likely to sustain injuries as we saw last year. One injury and they’d be toast with their lack of depth. It wouldn’t be a super team it would blow up in their face.

If Kawhi goes there I’m going to be pushing that agenda all season long, just for bragging rights when they miss the playoffs I can say I’m the only one on the planet who saw it coming.

To say they won't win the title is one thing, but to say they'd miss the Playoffs completely is quite the take.

LeBron sat out over a month last season from Christmas to the end of January nursing his minor hamstring injury so his teammates, who would eventually be offered in a deal for AD, could boost their trade value with more playing time. Before he went out with this injury the Lakers were a playoff team, 20-14 in fact and 4th in the West.

The "Anthony Davis gets hurt every year" line is a myth as well. He played in 75 games in both 2016-2017 and 2017-2018 seasons, and then 56 games this past season because of the whole trade request drama.

I don't like the Lakers either man, but like mentioned before, Kawhi dragged a good, but not great Raptors team to an NBA title. Putting him with LeBron and Davis instantly makes the Lakers not only a playoff team, but a legitimate contender.

Wilfried · Post #694 » by **Wilfried** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 4:39 pm

True. But I also gelieve (don't know if the poster means that) that that team has it's flaws too. I like our team and construction/construction much more.

Embiid owns Davis mostly in match-ups I thought btw

fl311 · Post #695 » by **fl311** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 4:45 pm

VDT wrote:I mean Ainge made some mistakes but he has been good all in all.

But in an age when players routinely join forces and pick where they will form a superteam its hard for a FO to compete with that no matter how good it is. If Durant had picked the Celtics three years ago things would be completely different.

Ainge lucked out on the incompetence of Brooklyn and Colangelo.

Outside of those two moves, he's been mediocre at best.

His drafting hasnt been great and he has burned alot of bridges with his treatment of free agents.

VDT · Post #696 » by **VDT** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:21 pm

fl311 wrote:
VDT wrote:I mean Ainge made some mistakes but he has been good all in all.

But in an age when players routinely join forces and pick where they will form a superteam its hard for a FO to compete with that no matter how good it is. If Durant had picked the Celtics three years ago things would be completely different.

Ainge lucked out on the incompetence of Brooklyn and Colangelo.

Outside of those two moves, he's been mediocre at best.

His drafting hasnt been great and he has burned alot of bridges with his treatment of free agents.

Identifying incompetent GMs and fleecing them is a skill, which is why you dont usually see good GMs making important trades with other good Gms.

Drafting wise he hasnt been bad, most of his picks have outperformed their draft position. His problem there is that he hasnt hit a homerun. So he is more average/unlucky than bad.

Apart from that he has hired a very good coach, he has been able to find diamonds in the rough, hasnt given bad contracts (apart from Hayward where he got unlucky), has been able to attract free agents etc.

He has his flaws but he has been well above average.

I mean there is an alternate universe where Durant is not the softest star on earth and Boston wins multiple titles with him, Horford and another star that Ainge could trade with his assets. And that's two years after they decided to rebuild.

Winejk · Post #697 » by **Winejk** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 11:19 pm

Let's talk Houston. What is their chemistry going to be like after this offseason? Capela, Gordon and Tucker have had their names bandied about. It has been reported Capela was basically traded if Houston could get Butler. These guys are vets so they might handle it better than the Lakers young ones last season after all the trade deadline speculation, but I can't imagine the clubhouse being all rosy.

Post #698 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Jul 3, 2019 2:00 am

Winejk wrote:Let's talk Houston. What is their chemistry going to be like after this offseason? Capela, Gordon and Tucker have had their names bandied about. It has been reported Capela was basically traded if Houston could get Butler. These guys are vets so they might handle it better than the Lakers young ones last season after all the trade deadline speculation, but I can't imagine the clubhouse being all rosy.

I think they'll probably make a trade to shake things up.

West is wide open though, could see them recovering and making a run.

Arsenal · Post #699 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Jul 3, 2019 2:03 am

Sixerscan wrote:Everything that’s happened with the Nets and Celtics is a pretty big reminder that winning trades and winning championships are two very different things.

Like I said on the General Board:

Danny Ainge is Robb Stark. Won every battle, but lost the war.

Arsenal · Post #700 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Jul 3, 2019 2:07 am

Winejk wrote:Let's talk Houston. What is their chemistry going to be like after this offseason? Capela, Gordon and Tucker have had their names bandied about. It has been reported Capela was basically traded if Houston could get Butler. These guys are vets so they might handle it better than the Lakers young ones last season after all the trade deadline speculation, but I can't imagine the clubhouse being all rosy.

They're done as a true contender. Relying on the rapidly declining Chris Paul and the aging P.J. Tucker won't get it done. They'll still win 50+ and make some noise in the playoffs, but if they're lucky enough to get out of the West, they'd get smashed against us, the Bucks, or the Raptors w/Kawhi.

Two years ago was their window before Paul's new contract, where they could afford a decent supporting cast. Now because of luxury tax issues they can't.