2019 Offseason Thread

Post #241 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:15 pm

fatlever wrote:sign trades aren't common anymore but this one might make sense so that Kemba could get his fifth year and the Hornets could get something in return. I'd be okay with adding Rozier to our young core of players.

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I wouldn’t want to do a S&T unless the player/s coming back have no more than 2 years left on their deals and there are 1st draft picks coming back our way with them.

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Post #242 » by **fatlever** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:15 pm

Oops I meant to post that in the summer like thread. LOL.

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BlackOutBuzz · Post #243 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:37 pm

fatlever wrote:sign trades aren't common anymore but this one might make sense so that Kemba could get his fifth year and the Hornets could get something in return. I'd be okay with adding Rozier to our young core of players.

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I can't see what Rick is saying but you can't get extra money/years via sign-and-trades anymore. The only incentive to the player is if the team they want to go to is capped out. Of course, Boston won't be with Kyrie and possibly Horford on the way out, but in theory a S&T could allow them to hold onto the bird rights of the latter in case acquiring Kemba lures him back.

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amcoolio · Post #244 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:40 pm

I'd rather just let our cap hits expire completely in 2021. I think Mitch and a lot of other GM's have realized that 2 and 3 year deals are the way to go

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #245 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:22 pm

LofJ wrote:Zach Lowe said that he think the Wolves have a trade lined up for Wiggins that's neutral or positive, meaning they aren't paying to dump him. Let us all hope and pray that the team dealing for him isn't the Hornets.

A guy on the Wolves forum is claiming it's us, sending out Batum for Wiggins. And if Lowe is right there won't be anything else involved in the trade, no draft assets coming back to take on the two extra years. Ugh, I really hope this is BS. Why would we low-ball an actual star player that the city adores and loves only to trade for the most overpaid player in the league?

I don't hate this. Rolling the dice on Wiggins either he turns things around here or he becomes the ultimate tank commander. I think you could find people here on this board that would be happy with either outcome.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #246 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:29 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
fatlever wrote:sign trades aren't common anymore but this one might make sense so that Kemba could get his fifth year and the Hornets could get something in return. I'd be okay with adding Rozier to our young core of players.

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I can't see what Rick is saying but you can't get extra money/years via sign-and-trades anymore. The only incentive to the player is if the team they want to go to is capped out. Of course, Boston won't be with Kyrie and possibly Horford on the way out, but in theory a S&T could allow them to hold onto the bird rights of the latter in case acquiring Kemba lures him back.

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It could be helpful for Boston if they were able to keep enough room free to find some sort of center. With Rozier, they have to renounce him to sign Kemba outright. S&T would enable Rozier to get to a team where he could be a starter, but I see few other benefits for anyone else outside that. A S&T involving Smart or Hayward might do it ... but, if I'm Boston I'm not sure that any of the free agent centers is really worth losing one of those two. Only if they think that Hayward will never be the same do I see them trading him.

Liver_Pooty · Post #247 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:30 pm

Monk wouldn't even start on our SL team.

Hornet Mania · Post #248 » by **Hornet Mania** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:40 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:
LofJ wrote:Zach Lowe said that he think the Wolves have a trade lined up for Wiggins that's neutral or positive, meaning they aren't paying to dump him. Let us all hope and pray that the team dealing for him isn't the Hornets.

A guy on the Wolves forum is claiming it's us, sending out Batum for Wiggins. And if Lowe is right there won't be anything else involved in the trade, no draft assets coming back to take on the two extra years. Ugh, I really hope this is BS. Why would we low-ball an actual star player that the city adores and loves only to trade for the most overpaid player in the league?

I don't hate this. Rolling the dice on Wiggins either he turns things around here or he becomes the ultimate tank commander. I think you could find people here on this board that would be happy with either outcome.

Yeah, Mitch needs to squeeze at least one asset out of Minny to get it done but this is the sort of thing you take a swing at when you're staring down an ugly 3-4yr rebuild. Maybe Wiggins turns it around after looking listless and entitled, headcases with great talent have done it in the past (C-Webb,Z-bo).

You gotta get at least a protected 1st though or mediocre prospect, just for the extra years.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #249 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:58 pm

Minnesota has a meeting set with DLo and reportedly have a plan to get the space to give him a max offer. I don't know their cap situation offhand but the savings of swapping Wiggins for Batum is only $2M.

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Bassman · Post #250 » by **Bassman** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:10 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:
LofJ wrote:Zach Lowe said that he think the Wolves have a trade lined up for Wiggins that's neutral or positive, meaning they aren't paying to dump him. Let us all hope and pray that the team dealing for him isn't the Hornets.

A guy on the Wolves forum is claiming it's us, sending out Batum for Wiggins. And if Lowe is right there won't be anything else involved in the trade, no draft assets coming back to take on the two extra years. Ugh, I really hope this is BS. Why would we low-ball an actual star player that the city adores and loves only to trade for the most overpaid player in the league?

I don't hate this. Rolling the dice on Wiggins either he turns things around here or he becomes the ultimate tank commander. I think you could find people here on this board that would be happy with either outcome.

Count me as supporting that trade. Batum is total trash, where Wiggins has the potential to turn things around and still young enough to produce throughout his remaining contract. We all like Bacon but he’s not really a starter in this league. Also opens the door to dealing Monk for a PG if the right deal was out there.

Post #251 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:23 pm

We have to use the MLE to sign a vet that we think could help a contender to a one year deal, just so we can move them at the deadline for the highest possible draft pick.

Post #252 » by **JDR720** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:25 pm

I wouldn't trade for Wiggins now that Kemba is gone, the entire point of that trade would be to get Kemba some scoring help.

Dont sign anyone to a long deal, let everyone expire next season (besides Nic *rage*) and try to tank our faces off.

LofJ · Post #253 » by **LofJ** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:31 pm

MJ might want Wiggins for ticket sales. He has to have someone to market - I don't know if Miles or Monk are quite it yet.

Post #254 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:33 pm

I like how Hayward went from trash salary that BOS fans wanted to dump to a key part of a rotation that is apparently attractive to Kemba. Wtf

Post #255 » by **JDR720** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:34 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I like how Hayward went from trash salary that BOS fans wanted to dump to a key part of a rotation that is apparently attractive to Kemba. Wtf

In some alternate timeline we signed Hayward and he and Kemba became the best back-court in the east.

HeartBreakKid · Post #256 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:47 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I like how Hayward went from trash salary that BOS fans wanted to dump to a key part of a rotation that is apparently attractive to Kemba. Wtf

Takes about 2 years for a player to get back to form, Hayward will be much better than what he was last year.

calbone28 · Post #257 » by **calbone28** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:53 pm

I don't mine the Wiggins trade. Think we should sign Mudiay also. Roll with the young bloods.

Great · Post #258 » by **Great** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:05 pm

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-Ian- · Post #259 » by **-Ian-** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:18 pm

We should go after DSJ. Losing Kemba is a massive blow so we might as well go after the NC guys.

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Post #260 » by **fatlever** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:43 pm

Signing Jeremy Lamb to a long-term deal would be more proof that this franchise has learned absolutely nothing from their previous mistakes. I know it sounds disrespectful to lamb but if you can't find a cheap shooting guard to put up 15 points a game then your Scouts should be fired.

We need to think of roster building the same way the Houston Rockets play basketball, nothing but three-pointers and free throws. Your free throws are your draft picks on rookie deals, and your Bargain Bin vets and G League guys, and your three pointers are your studs. Nothing in between.

I'd like to see in a roster where we had nothing in between 5 million + 25 million.

The only scenario I'm okay with bringing Jeremy back would be a one-year (maybe 2)deal if he strikes out in free agency. this would give him another chance to hit the market next year after averaging 20 points a game on a terrible team.

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