Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

[basketballRob]

The reality is KD, DLo, Kawhi are not signing here.

Bamba isn’t ready.

Resigning Vuc was smart thing to do. BUT like I said earlier, let’s see final details of contract without losing our minds.

Vuc has value at that price. Boston would probably trade a signed Rozier and Brown for him right now.

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[fendilim]

The reality is KD, DLo, Kawhi are not signing here.

Bamba isn’t ready.

Resigning Vuc was smart thing to do. BUT like I said earlier, let’s see final details of contract without losing our minds.

Vuc has value at that price. Boston would probably trade a signed Rozier and Brown for him right now.

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are we allowed to trade him right away? Or have to wait Dec. 15?

[basketballRob]

The reality is KD, DLo, Kawhi are not signing here.

Bamba isn’t ready.

Resigning Vuc was smart thing to do. BUT like I said earlier, let’s see final details of contract without losing our minds.

Vuc has value at that price. Boston would probably trade a signed Rozier and Brown for him right now.

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are we allowed to trade him right away? Or have to wait Dec. 15?

I doubt they trade him this year but I could be wrong. Boston does seem pretty desperate for a big guy though and they do have some assets to trade. From a PR standpoint it might not look good.

I remember in 2017-18 someone ask Weltman during the deadline if he was going to make a trade. He said, the we had good players with no value and if we make the playoffs people would value them more. Something along those lines. I think that's what happened and now Vuc can get us a nice haul in return if we trade him.




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[fendilim]

Vuc has value at that price. Boston would probably trade a signed Rozier and Brown for him right now.

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are we allowed to trade him right away? Or have to wait Dec. 15?

I doubt they trade him this year but I could be wrong. Boston does seem pretty desperate for a big guy though and they do have some assets to trade. From a PR standpoint it might not look good.

I remember in 2017-18 someone ask Weltman during the deadline if he was going to make a trade. He said, the we had good players with no value and if we make the playoffs people would value them more. Something along those lines. I think that's what happened and now Vuc can get us a nice haul in return if we trade him.




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This is true. A lot of players suffer playing for losing teams. Thats why we dont get to sign cheap players as well.

[fendilim]

Vuc has value at that price. Boston would probably trade a signed Rozier and Brown for him right now.

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are we allowed to trade him right away? Or have to wait Dec. 15?

I doubt they trade him this year but I could be wrong. Boston does seem pretty desperate for a big guy though and they do have some assets to trade. From a PR standpoint it might not look good.

I remember in 2017-18 someone ask Weltman during the deadline if he was going to make a trade. He said, the we had good players with no value and if we make the playoffs people would value them more. Something along those lines. I think that's what happened and now Vuc can get us a nice haul in return if we trade him.




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This is true. A lot of players suffer playing for losing teams. Thats why we dont get to sign cheap players as well.

[pepe1991]

After Vuc is re-signed and we figure what's up with Ross, another logical move is to package Isaac, Gordon or Bamba with pick for Beal.

[basketballRob]

After Vuc is re-signed and we figure what's up with Ross, another logical move is to package Isaac, Gordon or Bamba with pick for Beal.

They aren't trading the young players. I think it's more likely Vuc will get moved before they do.

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[GatorbaitDD]

We're going to be awfully close to the luxury tax if Ross comes back on a 12-15per deal.

[MoMM]

The reality is KD, DLo, Kawhi are not signing here.

Bamba isn’t ready.

Resigning Vuc was smart thing to do. BUT like I said earlier, let’s see final details of contract without losing our minds.

Vuc has value at that price. Boston would probably trade a signed Rozier and Brown for him right now.

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are we allowed to trade him right away? Or have to wait Dec. 15?

SnT now or Dec. 15.

[Knightro]

Just looking at Weltmans history in 3 years.

Isaac - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Bamba - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Fultz - No rush or timeframe to play
Okeke - Out for at least half the season upon drafted

So, yeah while he could return I highly doubt he will be playing this upcoming season. There is no urgency.

I really don’t agree with this. You’re acting like Weltman and Hammond didn’t want any of these guys to play early and the coaches obliged them and that’s just not the case.

Isaac played 20 MPG from game 1 to game 13 before he wrecked his ankle his rookie year. There’s no indication whatsoever the Magic were looking to bench him or stop playing him had he not gotten hurt. He was firmly a rotation player before his injury.

It was the same thing for Bamba. Mo had a clearly defined role as the backup C that began opening night and continued every night about 15-20 MPG before he broke his leg. Now unlike Isaac, Bamba was pretty horrible in his minutes and probably deserved to lose his spot, but the Magic still gave him a clear rotation spot before he got injured.

Both guys got placed right into the fire immediately and only stopped being used once they each got injured.

I’ll give you Fultz. The Magic clearly traded for him knowing he wouldn’t play at all last year and they were totally content with that.

If Okeke’s rehab goes well and he’s ready to start practicing by Christmas, I just don’t see any reason why the Magic wouldn’t use him if he can provide minutes they believe would be helpful to their success.

[axl_c_cool]

Can players from 2 teams both be signed and traded against each other and assets added?

Rosier + future 1st for Vucevic?

[Skybox]

Imagine if you could develop a young team of redshirted prospects (The Process) while simultaneously contending for the playoffs and giving those prospects Pt in meaningful situations....instead of burning everything to the ground because we “ can’t beat Golden State”...wouldn’t that be the BEST scenario?

[MoMM]

Can players from 2 teams both be signed and traded against each other and assets added?

Rosier + future 1st for Vucevic?

No, it's not possible, but people, please forget about trading Vucevic, he will play for us at least until trade deadline.

[Catledge]

I think we have a lot of a lot of possible internal improvements to hope for next season:

-- Vooch elevates his 3-pt attempts, allowing him to push his ppg up a notch on good efficiency.
-- AG makes slight improvements to his finishing and spot-up shooting, making him a slightly more effective form of the same player.
-- Fournier returns to his career average shooting percentages.
-- Bamba's game takes a step similar to the one Isaac took last year.
-- Isaac's game takes another step similar to the one he took last year.
-- Iwundu becomes a consistent 3 and D guy.
-- Fultz is healthy and plays well.

I don't know if any of those things will happen, but it will be fun to watch a decent team while I hope for continued development.

[cedric76]

I think we have a lot of a lot of possible internal improvements to hope for next season:

-- Vooch elevates his 3-pt attempts, allowing him to push his ppg up a notch on good efficiency.
-- AG makes slight improvements to his finishing and spot-up shooting, making him a slightly more effective form of the same player.
-- Fournier returns to his career average shooting percentages.
-- Bamba's game takes a step similar to the one Isaac took last year.
-- Isaac's game takes another step similar to the one he took last year.
-- Iwundu becomes a consistent 3 and D guy.
-- Fultz is healthy and plays well.

I don't know if any of those things will happen, but it will be fun to watch a decent team while I hope for continued development.

100% sure the first 6 statement will happen

I m praying for the last one

[darthmerrick]

Free Agency hasn't even started yet, but it is becoming clear the east is up for grabs when the dust settles.

Boston probably becomes the favorite with Kemba. Toronto becomes a middle of the pack playoff team if Kawhi and Green leave.
Milwaukee is giving up some of that great bench to keep Middleton (they look beatable) - and Brogdon may go. The Nets potentially could move upwards if they also land KD, but I don't know that Kyrie is going to take them much further then DLO or stays healthy the whole season. Sixers could lose both Harris and Butler and I don't know if Embiid remains healthy carrying that kind of load. Pacers still have some injury concerns, is Oladipo going to be the same allstar he was before injury. They have also lost Collinson and Tereke.
Wizards should be back in the playoff race plus some good assets from Lakers. Hornets, Pistons, Heat (older), look to be downward trending into lottery. We have a chance to climb into as high 3rd if everything clicks.

[darthmerrick]

We're going to be awfully close to the luxury tax if Ross comes back on a 12-15per deal.

Got to be a trade coming for Bamba or Gordon. Option 2 is that we trade or waive/stretch Mozgov.

[Viper1500]

Should really be looking into a s&t for d lo if it’s a possibility. This team is stilling that piece.


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[Skybox]

I think we have a lot of a lot of possible internal improvements to hope for next season:

-- Vooch elevates his 3-pt attempts, allowing him to push his ppg up a notch on good efficiency.
-- AG makes slight improvements to his finishing and spot-up shooting, making him a slightly more effective form of the same player.
-- Fournier returns to his career average shooting percentages.
-- Bamba's game takes a step similar to the one Isaac took last year.
-- Isaac's game takes another step similar to the one he took last year.
-- Iwundu becomes a consistent 3 and D guy.
-- Fultz is healthy and plays well.

I don't know if any of those things will happen, but it will be fun to watch a decent team while I hope for continued development.

All very reasonable possibilities and a lot to be optimistic about. Trades and injuries aside, the possible pitfalls are...
--resign Ross and his flame throwing fizzles back to career #'s (I don't see WeHam overpaying either way)
--Fournier's 2018-19 performance is a function of Cliff's system and he's not getting back on track or trade-able at career low performance.
--DJ regresses back to prior years and everyone (again) goes back to saying his $7m is an overpayment
--Fultz clearly has no interest in playing or retiring
--Isaac and AG, in their quest for stardom, get crazy and try to force things, setting our efficiency (and winning back)
--Bamba isn't better or bigger

Don't mean to be a downer, I truly believe we are on a very positive and flexible trajectory. Hopefully, the good improvements way outweigh the possible regressions. I expect Ross back, on a reasonable deal, and won't be mad if he slips a bit. I expect Vuc's numbers to dip a bit, while our young ones grow in their offensive roles while still embracing a fierce, chaotic defensive Clifford identity. Fultz and Bamba, to me, are the X factors to put us in Eastern conference contention or just out of the playoffs. I'm liking our position and upside.
If we are financially strapped anyway, I'd like to see our trade exception utilized for a 2 year deal for an offensive wing like Lamb, Rivers, etc.who could kick in random flame-throwing on nights when Ross, Evan aren't on. Like MIA used to do with their bench snipers-who's hitting tonight?

[drsd]

--Fultz clearly has no interest in playing or retiring

If Fultz is truly awful, the Magic can waive him next year and not extend him the following.

Thus his contract can be bundled with Mozgov and Augustin next year or with Fournier the following. From a cap-management perspective, Fultz is only a high reward player for Orlando, with no real cap risks.

That said, what if Fultz goes for 20/8/5 next year? Orlando will need to start thinking about maxing him to retain him. A good problem, but an expensive one.

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