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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#941 » by J9Starks3 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:21 pm

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tuna108 wrote:woj generally has good sources. I believe this.


I think Kyrie wanted Brooklyn, Kahwi always wanted the Clippers and both are trying to recruit KD off the Knicks...

“Ain’t nobody able to recruit me” - KD ....wonder if that’s still true after the injury


Why does the one player that might actually want us have to have a debilitating leg injury..smh


That’s our lot in life...the real kicker is that the one player who seemed 99% ready to join us has a debilitating leg injury and we still may not even get him now...
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#942 » by ItsPajama » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:21 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:This FA plan never made any sense for us. We’re not good enough to attract any major free agents. We can only sell hope, upside, potential, talent... Hypotheticals and question marks basically. We were simply not ready to make a splash.

Why would KD sign here instead of Brooklyn? People will set him up to fail if he comes to New York. Brooklyn has a competitive team and Kyrie, and he won’t have to handle the pressure and media attention that comes with being a Knick. He’s gonna play it safe, especially with his injury.

So we’re going to strike out. And people will make fun of us, because that’s the easy thing to do. I just hope we keep building wisely and James Dolan doesn’t react emotionally and do something stupid when he sees the « little brother » surpassing us in FA. Let’s keep building patiently and cross our fingers that RJ is the one.

Bruh, you been SHOOK all offseason lol
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#943 » by AllanHoustonFan » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:22 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Kyrie is supposedly locked in to Brooklyn and nobody gives a damn. Glad he aint our problem.

Life is going to come at Kyrie fast.
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#944 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:23 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:This FA plan never made any sense for us. We’re not good enough to attract any major free agents. We can only sell hope, upside, potential, talent... Hypotheticals and question marks basically. We were simply not ready to make a splash.

Why would KD sign here instead of Brooklyn? People will set him up to fail if he comes to New York. Brooklyn has a competitive team and Kyrie, and he won’t have to handle the pressure and media attention that comes with being a Knick. He’s gonna play it safe, especially with his injury.

So we’re going to strike out. And people will make fun of us, because that’s the easy thing to do. I just hope we keep building wisely and James Dolan doesn’t react emotionally and do something stupid when he sees the « little brother » surpassing us in FA. Let’s keep building patiently and cross our fingers that RJ is the one.


Do you consider Julius Randle striking out?

I’m not a huge fan of Randle so I’d say yes. I’m not sure he’s a winning player.
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#945 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:23 pm

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Please knock it off Robert.


I used to like various kinds of pedal steel and lap steel guitar.

Until Robert Randolph started tweeting about the Knicks.
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#946 » by ny-n-md » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:24 pm

I would be happy with KD or Kawhi and Randle.
JUST PLAY THE KIDS ALREADY!!!!!
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#947 » by Jeffrey » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:25 pm

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It's midnight!

What are you doing up this late?

Go to bed now MF!


LOL i'm not one of the posters refreshing every minute to post Randolph, Jason Kidd's son or SAS tweets. For me, it is what it is. I'm open to any direction the Knicks go.


You were serving us up some strong Chamomile Tea a couple of hours ago so I had to slap you for posting. Sorry, that's my job.


The funny thing is... I went to bed. You're right, I should continue to serve that tea because ppl gonna stress out about this for no apparent reason.
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#948 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:25 pm

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snadler wrote:The summer of 2019, when we walk away as Julius Randle as our big signing..one of the worst defenders in the league, and I’m sure they will way overpay for a guy who’s 23 yet will already be on his 3rd team because of his inability to defend..this is infuriating


This hasn’t happened yet and nothing this FO has done or said recently indicates that’s what will be the outcome


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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#949 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:25 pm

Is Randle to the knicks for $100m really a legit rumor?. Someone please tell me this is just made up
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#950 » by J9Starks3 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:26 pm

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Thugger HBC wrote:Kyrie is supposedly locked in to Brooklyn and nobody gives a damn. Glad he aint our problem.

Life is going to come at Kyrie fast.


More press about Kemba to the Celtics or that he didn’t want the Knicks than Kyrie to the Nets... the funny thing is, even when they are better than us they are still a joke franchise and I think they’ll end up regretting picking Kyrie over DLo
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#951 » by DOLPHIN2020 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:26 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Kyrie is supposedly locked in to Brooklyn and nobody gives a damn. Glad he aint our problem.
Kyrie gonna poison the Nets youth...glad he is not coming to the Knicks
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#952 » by J9Starks3 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:28 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
snadler wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:This FA plan never made any sense for us. We’re not good enough to attract any major free agents. We can only sell hope, upside, potential, talent... Hypotheticals and question marks basically. We were simply not ready to make a splash.

Why would KD sign here instead of Brooklyn? People will set him up to fail if he comes to New York. Brooklyn has a competitive team and Kyrie, and he won’t have to handle the pressure and media attention that comes with being a Knick. He’s gonna play it safe, especially with his injury.

So we’re going to strike out. And people will make fun of us, because that’s the easy thing to do. I just hope we keep building wisely and James Dolan doesn’t react emotionally and do something stupid when he sees the « little brother » surpassing us in FA. Let’s keep building patiently and cross our fingers that RJ is the one.


Do you consider Julius Randle striking out?

I’m not a huge fan of Randle so I’d say yes. I’m not sure he’s a winning player.


I have to see the price first....randle at 4/100 is a bad play.... randle at 4/70 is probably value... If we only can get randle id personally want to go with 1 year deals
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#953 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:29 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:This FA plan never made any sense for us. We’re not good enough to attract any major free agents. We can only sell hope, upside, potential, talent... Hypotheticals and question marks basically. We were simply not ready to make a splash.

Why would KD sign here instead of Brooklyn? People will set him up to fail if he comes to New York. Brooklyn has a competitive team and Kyrie, and he won’t have to handle the pressure and media attention that comes with being a Knick. He’s gonna play it safe, especially with his injury.

So we’re going to strike out. And people will make fun of us, because that’s the easy thing to do. I just hope we keep building wisely and James Dolan doesn’t react emotionally and do something stupid when he sees the « little brother » surpassing us in FA. Let’s keep building patiently and cross our fingers that RJ is the one.

Bruh, you been SHOOK all offseason lol

Nah man I’m good actually I just want to see RJ play lol

And I will ask for a promotion when my predictions come true so be nice :lol:
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#954 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:30 pm

Our targets are Randle, Rozier. And KD.

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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#955 » by snadler » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:31 pm

Knicks are in a strong position to land Randle, because nobody wants a guy who doesn’t defend
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#956 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:31 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
snadler wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:This FA plan never made any sense for us. We’re not good enough to attract any major free agents. We can only sell hope, upside, potential, talent... Hypotheticals and question marks basically. We were simply not ready to make a splash.

Why would KD sign here instead of Brooklyn? People will set him up to fail if he comes to New York. Brooklyn has a competitive team and Kyrie, and he won’t have to handle the pressure and media attention that comes with being a Knick. He’s gonna play it safe, especially with his injury.

So we’re going to strike out. And people will make fun of us, because that’s the easy thing to do. I just hope we keep building wisely and James Dolan doesn’t react emotionally and do something stupid when he sees the « little brother » surpassing us in FA. Let’s keep building patiently and cross our fingers that RJ is the one.


Do you consider Julius Randle striking out?

I’m not a huge fan of Randle so I’d say yes. I’m not sure he’s a winning player.


Just to jump in - I like Randle, but he's a "it depends" kind of player. I think it's fair to say he's good (minus defensive questions) and that he's gotten better over his career and that there is probably some more room for growth as a player - but not a lot, which is fine, because he's gotten pretty good. Most positive growth would be in defensive effort - if it happens.

Anyway, it depends, as Randle feels like a lot of the bigger $ signings of guys who aren't TRUE superstars - Anyone from Tobias Harris to Middleton to DLo to Russell - when a team signs them matters. Ideally, teams maybe finish off their cap space on a competing team. Russell and DLo have the conundrum of being 2nd contract guys who've arrived, but the question is to what level, and is it worth it being tied to them for the next 4 years. Could be anywhere on the spectrum from great to not so good. Not so good doesn't mean they'd be bad players, just that ultimately a team with them didn't do that great either, at expense of one of the two or three max slots used up.

Long story short, to make it about Randle - it's probably not the time for him and the Knicks, BUT he's a PF/C, which is exactly what they need and maybe their scouting and analytics thinks it's a good move.

I'd prefer the contract short for Randle. 1 year would be ideal, if there is a way to have his rights. 2 years seems ok, with the higher chance he takes it. Knicks will probably offer 3 years, and then some random team with part of that 475 million in cap space to spend offers 4 years and he takes it.
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#957 » by Triple C » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:31 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Is Randle to the knicks for $100m really a legit rumor?. Someone please tell me this is just made up


The 100m is just a tweet from some guy with no credibility, but Beagley says we are in a strong position to land him, so maybe It will happen but no one knows the contract
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#958 » by AllanHoustonFan » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:31 pm

J9Starks3 wrote:
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Thugger HBC wrote:Kyrie is supposedly locked in to Brooklyn and nobody gives a damn. Glad he aint our problem.

Life is going to come at Kyrie fast.


More press about Kemba to the Celtics or that he didn’t want the Knicks than Kyrie to the Nets... the funny thing is, even when they are better than us they are still a joke franchise and I think they’ll end up regretting picking Kyrie over DLo

Organizations make moves like this when you are last in attendance and are desperate to get butts in seats.
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#959 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:32 pm

Remember the days of trying to stay competitive while rebuilding and just kinda being stuck in between?

Used to be the worst thing in the world.
But for right now? Exactly what this group needs.

Well not the “stuck” part but we have to compete.
Front office too. We have to.

It can’t just be all superteams or bust.
Not for us. Shoot, it can’t be because if it is we might as well take our ball and go home now. We aren’t the Lakers. We never get THE guy. And the league gifts us zilch.

There are only a handful of dudes who fit the bill of obvious superstar anyway and getting them to take on this mountain of a challenge is a lot. It’s very hard to play here and it’s expensive to live here.

And we can’t just put together a roster of expendables either, hoping for the best and think it helps how the league sees us.

The short sightedness of our “sell em NYC” approach is (so far) not exactly doing the trick in free agency.

Rookie Zion gets a team, in the West at that??
Damnit so should RJ Barrett! Why not?
Unless we believe like the pundits say and our kids ain’t chit.

This kid is going to help us win. I have no doubt. But not all fantastical basketball style by himself with the other kids putting up sexy 2k numbers. It wouldn’t be fair to them putting it all on their shoulders. It’s not a realistic path to winning; youth is youth and the NBA isn’t that easy.

It wouldn’t be the wisest long term play for us as an organization either to just have them azz out every night without being flanked by legit NBA talent.....taking L after L.
We want them to care. So we have to too.

Give em some help. Exactly who’s rings are we kissing anyway? Especially if Kawhi leaves the conference. Giannis? Resign Herzonja for the minimum, done.
Kemba in green doesn’t scare anyone. Ask Trey Burke. Kyrie in Bk without some serious leadership on board is a huge question mark. So who?

Give our guys a chance to win games. Don’t compromise flexibility with players or contracts that we’d struggle to move if necessary. But every long term non superstar contract doesn’t equal Tim Hardaway either. We need players. The new lotto rules have totally monkeywrenched the tank game so there’s that.

We are at ground zero. If we make the playoffs this year it’s win. As long as we aren’t locked in to immovable long term contracts. We can’t afford to be but so fancy.
And there’s an expert negotiator on the other side of what we think these players are worth. Please don’t discount this.

We need credibility as much as anything.
More than anything, actually.

The Raptors basically started with the Vince era, then the Bosh era then the DeRozan era and now to this mercenary year with Kawhi. Worth it?
Even if he bounces I think so.

Following that twenty year model where exactly are we?

We need to establish ourselves.
The league respects Scott, Mills and Fiz but they don’t value our talent. We need to change the narrative completely. The papers don’t like Dolan. They’re gonna bad talk us no matter what. So make real basketball moves. Build a TEAM.

As long as we don’t throw bad money at more bad money or give away draft picks we absolutely should be aiming for the playoffs. We aren’t the Yankees. We aren’t this generation’s (LA) Clippers by far.

Think about that Clippers part...and if you’re old enough to remember their former iterations and darker days...we are right about there. Maybe the Odom-Miles-Q version. We need to start being real about the culture thing. From top to bottom.

Trust your basketball smarts and experience and build us a winner Scott. Steve, your job is keep Dolan outta this so Scott can work.

I’m setting my expectations appropriately.
Scott, Steve, Fiz....it’s time.
Good luck.

Go Knicks.
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Re: Offseason Thread: KD and KL??? 

Post#960 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:33 pm

Randle with KD would be a bad pairing. KD is probably better off finishing his career as a 4. It does not make sense to spend money on a 4 that doesn't play defense nor stretch the floor in todays nba
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