Celtics General Offseason pt 6: Kemba we hit 100 pages before tommorow's over?

Fencer reregistered · Post #1441 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:14 pm

Bohemian wrote:I am trying to find some sense in the keeping Horford theory out there. How could we manage to bring Kemba with Horford here? It makes no sense, right? I have just read that Kings have made a huge offer but that they believe Al is heading elsewhere. Can´t be us, right?

In simplest terms: If the Celtics effectively trade Kyrie for Walker, then there's no salary cap reason they can't re-sign Horford as well.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1442 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:16 pm

williambh3 wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I am trying to find some sense in the keeping Horford theory out there. How could we manage to bring Kemba with Horford here? It makes no sense, right? I have just read that Kings have made a huge offer but that they believe Al is heading elsewhere. Can´t be us, right?

Sign and trade irving and rozier for kemba to stay over the cap, then anything is possible with our FAs

To a first approximation, Rozier is irrelevant to that scenario. However, if Charlotte happens to want him, then that makes the whole thing easier.

Edug27 · Post #1443 » by **Edug27** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:17 pm

Yooo this is going to be a long 4 hours.

Bohemian · Post #1444 » by **Bohemian** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:17 pm

we need a reload bomb

Ernest · Post #1445 » by **Ernest** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:17 pm

Ernest wrote:
Afam wrote:You can't treat people however you want to. Don't let online lead you into thinking that. That is all i am going to say.

I'll bet $100 that is not all he is going to say

4 minutes later.....

Afam wrote:First of all i am not your bro B and cs, secondly you have been one of the posters who have attacked me, putting that aside not because you are online, and put something online and don't expect any privacy doesn't mean you can't in trouble for it. Have you heard of doxing for example. Not saying he did that because that is not the case. Not because you are online doesn't mean all your rights are gone. That is not the case.

Edug27 · Post #1446 » by **Edug27** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:18 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I am trying to find some sense in the keeping Horford theory out there. How could we manage to bring Kemba with Horford here? It makes no sense, right? I have just read that Kings have made a huge offer but that they believe Al is heading elsewhere. Can´t be us, right?

In simplest terms: If the Celtics effectively trade Kyrie for Walker, then there's no salary cap reason they can't re-sign Horford as well.

Why does BK help Boston in this scenario?

Fencer reregistered · Post #1447 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:18 pm

Froob wrote:If we do the S&T craziness, we’d get a possible non tax payers MLE, right? Could even bring back Morris?

That's probably an either/or at best. While I haven't done anything to check the numbers, I can't imagine keeping Al, keeping Morris, getting Kemba and still not paying luxury tax.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1448 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:20 pm

Read on Twitter

BOS gets Kemba (max)
BKN gets Kyrie (max)
CHA gets Yabu, Rozier (some amount to fulfill matching), TPE

Getting all the parties to agree esp. Rozier (who may listen to other offers) and Hornets (at a certain starting salary) could be tricky. Kyrie being a weirdo doesn't help either. Add sweetener as needed.

Re-sign Horford to agreed upon number post-trade.

Ernest · Post #1449 » by **Ernest** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:20 pm

Afam wrote:I am done with the conversation. Moving on.

I'll bet $1000 he is not

FlatearthZorro · Post #1450 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:21 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Froob wrote:If we do the S&T craziness, we’d get a possible non tax payers MLE, right? Could even bring back Morris?

That's probably an either/or at best. While I haven't done anything to check the numbers, I can't imagine keeping Al, keeping Morris, getting Kemba and still not paying luxury tax.

I don't want Morris back, I want either a sharpshooter or a big. Morris to take 12-15 shots a game, no thanks.

aim2please · Post #1451 » by **aim2please** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:22 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I am trying to find some sense in the keeping Horford theory out there. How could we manage to bring Kemba with Horford here? It makes no sense, right? I have just read that Kings have made a huge offer but that they believe Al is heading elsewhere. Can´t be us, right?

In simplest terms: If the Celtics effectively trade Kyrie for Walker, then there's no salary cap reason they can't re-sign Horford as well.

Why does BK help Boston in this scenario?

They would presumably get an asset back, most likely via Celtics.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1452 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:22 pm

Afam wrote:First of all i am not your bro B and cs, secondly you have been one of the posters who have attacked me, putting that aside not because you are online, and put something online and don't expect any privacy doesn't mean you can't in trouble for it. Have you heard of doxing for example. Not saying he did that because that is not the case. Not because you are online doesn't mean all your rights are gone. That is not the case.

If you post something, it's in the public eye, including that of reporters. For example:
-- People here are very sure Gary Tanguay reads this forum and even steals ideas.
-- I've talked with Tom Curran on a message board (KFFL Patriots forum, when that still existed), as well as on Twitter.

This is separate from other ways of communicating with reporters, e.g. Twitter, where I've chatted with a lot of them.

Gant · Post #1453 » by **Gant** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:22 pm

Rozier going to Charlotte makes this possible.

Read on Twitter

grindtime22 · Post #1454 » by **grindtime22** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:23 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I am trying to find some sense in the keeping Horford theory out there. How could we manage to bring Kemba with Horford here? It makes no sense, right? I have just read that Kings have made a huge offer but that they believe Al is heading elsewhere. Can´t be us, right?

In simplest terms: If the Celtics effectively trade Kyrie for Walker, then there's no salary cap reason they can't re-sign Horford as well.

Why does BK help Boston in this scenario?

draft compensation I would assume

CelticsLV · Post #1455 » by **CelticsLV** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:23 pm

Afam wrote:You can't treat people however you want to. Don't let online lead you into thinking that. That is all i am going to say.

Afam wrote:First of all i am not your bro B and cs, secondly you have been one of the posters who have attacked me, putting that aside not because you are online, and put something online and don't expect any privacy doesn't mean you can't in trouble for it. Have you heard of doxing for example. Not saying he did that because that is not the case. Not because you are online doesn't mean all your rights are gone. That is not the case.

williambh3 · Post #1456 » by **williambh3** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:24 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I am trying to find some sense in the keeping Horford theory out there. How could we manage to bring Kemba with Horford here? It makes no sense, right? I have just read that Kings have made a huge offer but that they believe Al is heading elsewhere. Can´t be us, right?

In simplest terms: If the Celtics effectively trade Kyrie for Walker, then there's no salary cap reason they can't re-sign Horford as well.

Why does BK help Boston in this scenario?

Something along the lines of the bucks pick

Fencer reregistered · Post #1457 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:24 pm

Ernest wrote:I wonder how the timing on things went. First word gets out that Kyrie is leaving. But what next, Horford tells Ainge he wants to leave or at least opt out and look at his options, or Kemba gives word he wants to come here? I'm not asking about the order of tweets and reports but the order they happened to Ainge. I'm wondering if Ainge told Al, look we love you but unless we can make some tricky moves we can't keep you. Go out and see what deals you can get, keep this talk hush hush, and if it all works out we would love to have you back.

It can be simpler than that. Al's agent asks for a lot of money. Danny says no, but indicates there could be room to offer more depending on what else happens in FA.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1458 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:24 pm

Smitty talking about a fourth team being involved if Rozier doesn't play ball and we'd need Baynes' salary to match. Phoenix would have to be involved. Semi likely gone too.

williambh3 · Post #1459 » by **williambh3** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:25 pm

As long as we’re over the cap, might as well call phoenix about a certain australian

Fencer reregistered · Post #1460 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:25 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Bohemian wrote:I am trying to find some sense in the keeping Horford theory out there. How could we manage to bring Kemba with Horford here? It makes no sense, right? I have just read that Kings have made a huge offer but that they believe Al is heading elsewhere. Can´t be us, right?

In simplest terms: If the Celtics effectively trade Kyrie for Walker, then there's no salary cap reason they can't re-sign Horford as well.

Why does BK help Boston in this scenario?

Bribery, e.g. a first-round pick.