Secret Sauce: The Terry Rozier Thread

[gundysmullet]

ignore context brehs

you could at least not be lazy af and post his numbers as a starter in the playoffs or something but naw lets just reduce everything to his time as a backup with an inconsistent role

Bismack got his contract based on how he played in the playoffs with Toronto.

Its a terrible idea to pay a player based on a few playoff games when you have a few hundred RS games to look at.

not my argument.

i don't think that overpaying for a block of contract space that will come off the books the same time as everyone else is a big deal. he either gets better, or he doesn't. its a risk reward thing and honestly we're not bound or limited by this at all - its not like we're signing anyone else any time soon lol. but saying the guy sucks because he took the biggest bullet of all the celtics is misrepresenting information.

But you’re not looking at the big picture; he is a “point guard” with no discernible point guard skills. He is a ball hog chucker that will not allow our young guys to grow and develop properly. There was no reason whatsoever for the team to sign him let alone sign him to that utterly atrocious deal. Read the general board, read Twitter, this signing is getting destroyed. And rightfully so.

[dmutombo321]

Id like to respond to this news by saying, unbelievable, but bone headed moves by this team are becoming anything but

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[euphorbus]

I don't see what's so hard about just waiting to see how it plays out as opposed to putting so much energy into complaining about it.

I hate watching ugly, directionless basketball.

[LofJ]

Don't attend any games, cancel your season tickets, don't buy league pass, and if you work in corporate and deal with the team do what you can to let them know that you don't want your brand associated with incompetence.

Make Michael Jordan bleed money.

[JDR720]

If it would've been 12m per year or something like that, I dont think anyone would be that upset. But at 19m per year, we could've done better. There are better players being signed that are cheaper than that. As for PG's, we could've signed Mudiay for half that and he is arguably better than Rozier is.

This is a deal of desperation and terrible cap management. Like fats or someone else says sometimes, we can sign a player for 80% of the production for 90% less money.

[DY_nasty]

You’re posting from emotion rather than common sense, logic and reason. The facts don’t care about your feelings. What I posted are the facts. Another fact: Terry Rozier sucks.

lol

you want to dismiss the guy's potential because he ate a s*** sandwich for the team in boston. the whole board has been woe is me for the past few days now because kemba left and now guys are looking for reasons to further justify being upset at the franchise about it

if you wanted facts you'd not be reducing guys to career averages when most of that time has been behind other players and inconsistent roles.

do i think he's worth that? no. but i do think he'll be incredibly easy to move if he plays as well as he can and worst case scenario he's not crippling the team's options. if we gave lamb the same deal instead of terry, i'd have no problem with it either. both are the same tier of player but immediate functional need is at point guard so its whatever

[Lwcasu]

For those of you trying to defend this deal, read this. Then let it sink in. Then realize that he just signed for three years at 19 million dollars per year. Then let it sink in. Then smack yourself for originally defending it.


Terry Rozier
2018-19: 9.0pts (.387FG%) 3.9reb 2.9ast 12.9PER
Career: 7.7pts (.380FG%) 3.6reb 2.3ast 12.8PER

ignore context brehs

you could at least not be lazy af and post his numbers as a starter in the playoffs or something but naw lets just reduce everything to his time as a backup with an inconsistent role

Bismack got his contract based on how he played in the playoffs with Toronto.

Its a terrible idea to pay a player based on a few playoff games when you have a few hundred RS games to look at.

Rozier had 19 playoff games at 16/5/6 in 17/18 season, but he averaged 40% shooting and 35% from 3. His "good playoffs" is basically Kemba before Kemba learned to shoot.

Granted Kemba was on a bad team and Rozier a good team. I’ll let time be the judgement. I can’t complain about Rozier himself because I like him. I just don’t think he’s worth that money yet. But guys get paid on potential. Sad we couldnt cough up 15 more million for Kemba. The fact we got basically nothing for Kemba that’s the real tragedy here. Waiting on what’s in the trade but we could have just signed Rozier so the whole thing doesn’t make a kid of sense. All that being said, I think Rozier will play to his contract here and put up numbers.

[Stun704]

We paid a backup 19 million a year to help the team that took our best player. What is the point of doing anything to support this organization? Bring back the Buzz and the entire Charlotte community needs to boycott this team until MJ is forced to sell.

The fewer fans in the arena the better.

What’s the point of being so negative? He hasn’t played one game for the hornets yet. At least let him play before organizing a boycott

[DY_nasty]

Bismack got his contract based on how he played in the playoffs with Toronto.

Its a terrible idea to pay a player based on a few playoff games when you have a few hundred RS games to look at.

not my argument.

i don't think that overpaying for a block of contract space that will come off the books the same time as everyone else is a big deal. he either gets better, or he doesn't. its a risk reward thing and honestly we're not bound or limited by this at all - its not like we're signing anyone else any time soon lol. but saying the guy sucks because he took the biggest bullet of all the celtics is misrepresenting information.

But you’re not looking at the big picture; he is a “point guard” with no discernible point guard skills. He is a ball hog chucker that will not allow our young guys to grow and develop properly. There was no reason whatsoever for the team to sign him let alone sign him to that utterly atrocious deal. Read the general board, read Twitter, this signing is getting destroyed. And rightfully so.

so you're going off of hot takes and comment sections good to know

[LofJ]

We paid a backup 19 million a year to help the team that took our best player. What is the point of doing anything to support this organization? Bring back the Buzz and the entire Charlotte community needs to boycott this team until MJ is forced to sell.

The fewer fans in the arena the better.

What’s the point of being so negative? He hasn’t played one game for the hornets yet. At least let him play before organizing a boycott

The Hornets helped the Celtics and in doing so are paying a backup more than anyone else on the team after Batum. This is a slap in the face to anyone with a brain.

[vexco]

Kemba was an inefficient chucker his first 4 seasons as well. 19 million is a bit much but it's not really that big of a deal as long as we can still use the MLE. It's money we weren't going to be able to use to sign anyone anyway considering we were over the cap. I'm just hoping there's a pick coming back.

[hotrod]

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[gundysmullet]

not my argument.

i don't think that overpaying for a block of contract space that will come off the books the same time as everyone else is a big deal. he either gets better, or he doesn't. its a risk reward thing and honestly we're not bound or limited by this at all - its not like we're signing anyone else any time soon lol. but saying the guy sucks because he took the biggest bullet of all the celtics is misrepresenting information.

But you’re not looking at the big picture; he is a “point guard” with no discernible point guard skills. He is a ball hog chucker that will not allow our young guys to grow and develop properly. There was no reason whatsoever for the team to sign him let alone sign him to that utterly atrocious deal. Read the general board, read Twitter, this signing is getting destroyed. And rightfully so.

so you're going off of hot takes and comment sections good to know

No I’m trying to tell you that you are in the overwhelming minority with your opinion. When 99% of the people have an opinion that is different from yours, it is time to look in the mirror.

[BigSlam]

Like fats or someone else says sometimes, we can sign a player for 80% of the production for 90% less money.

I used to say the same thing about Felton when posters would say we should slap a load of money down in front of him.

Guys like Jarret Jack (at the time) could do and impact a game just as much as Felton at a fraction of the price.

Same argument applies to Lamb Vs Bacon.

[316Hornets]

I'm so happy with this move. He's a great tank captain that could turn into a phenomenal role player. I don't mind the overpay since we are tanking for the next 2 years anyhow.

[BigSlam]

Kemba was an inefficient chucker his first 4 seasons as well. 19 million is a bit much but it's not really that big of a deal as long as we can still use the MLE. It's money we weren't going to be able to use to sign anyone anyway considering we were over the cap. I'm just hoping there's a pick coming back.

Then why not save the $19 mil per year and 3 year commitment and let next season ride with Devonte running the point?

[316Hornets]

He’ll put up stats here and up his % but this was not the right move. 4/48 was a lot better.

Disagree, the first 2 years are unimportant and it's actually a positive that we have so much tied into him so our tank can't get screwed by adding some other players.

3 years is better than 4, as well, allowing us to change direction if he isn't in the plan after tanking for 2 years.

[driveandkick]

Don't attend any games, cancel your season tickets, don't buy league pass, and if you work in corporate and deal with the team do what you can to let them know that you don't want your brand associated with incompetence.

Make Michael Jordan bleed money.

Here's what to not do unless you want the team to leave Charlotte. Please, don't do any of this.

[DY_nasty]

But you’re not looking at the big picture; he is a “point guard” with no discernible point guard skills. He is a ball hog chucker that will not allow our young guys to grow and develop properly. There was no reason whatsoever for the team to sign him let alone sign him to that utterly atrocious deal. Read the general board, read Twitter, this signing is getting destroyed. And rightfully so.

so you're going off of hot takes and comment sections good to know

No I’m trying to tell you that you are in the overwhelming minority with your opinion. When 99% of the people have an opinion that is different from yours, it is time to look in the mirror.

so you gonna argue hot take narratives all day? ok

ignore the fact that he's basically a future contract filler on a trade, summarize his entire career to averages dismissing all context, make up bs like he was bullying the celtics' young players

but the facts

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but the young guys cant stand him

[vexco]

Kemba was an inefficient chucker his first 4 seasons as well. 19 million is a bit much but it's not really that big of a deal as long as we can still use the MLE. It's money we weren't going to be able to use to sign anyone anyway considering we were over the cap. I'm just hoping there's a pick coming back.

Then why not save the $19 mil per year and 4 year commitment and let next season ride with Devonte running the point?

3 years, right? My point is that it's not hurting us cap-wise to get him in a S&T. It's dead money. If it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, we move on around the same time our other big contracts expire. I just don't see the issue. Rozier is a talented player.