Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

RandyBreuer · Post #281 » by **RandyBreuer** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:25 pm

If Butler truly wants to go to Houston what about getting in on a three-team deal to get Capela or Gordon?

ajb905 · Post #282 » by **ajb905** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:25 pm

Ugh. It sure would of been nice to bring Mirotic back in this situation. I don't know if his foot was the red flag, but I see it as the billionaires being cheap. Getting the picks softens the blow a bit {depending on protections}. Hopefully they make some moves with that 1st and Leuer, etc. Shooting ain't cheap so Bucks need to figure out how to creatively get it

Lippo · Post #283 » by **Lippo** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:25 pm

rrayy wrote:
James1980 wrote:Bucks don't know how restricted free agency works

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Brogdon likely doesn't want to be in Milwaukee. If he won't sign with Milwaukee, would you rather him walk for nothing?

I’m happy withe the trade,

But we had his rights, we could match anything and force him to be here for 4 more years or retire, unless he wanted to play a year on the 3mil or so QO to become a FA next year,

Ruben Quevedo · Post #284 » by **Ruben Quevedo** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:25 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
lvckv wrote:
Balls2TheWalls wrote:12M would cover Covington.

He's a very good player, and the second-best on the Wolves. What are we giving to get him exactly?

Wolves and Heat both want to create cap room to sign Butler/Dlo. Bucks are in a great position and I'd be shocked if a deal with one of those teams doesn't go down.

I’d be shocked if we did. This smells like cheap owners to me.

TroyD92 · Post #285 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:26 pm

RandyBreuer wrote:If Butler truly wants to go to Houston what about getting in on a three-team deal to get Capela or Gordon?

Butler wants to go to the Heat.

James1980 · Post #286 » by **James1980** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:26 pm

Exactly

Lippo wrote:
rrayy wrote:
James1980 wrote:Bucks don't know how restricted free agency works

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Brogdon likely doesn't want to be in Milwaukee. If he won't sign with Milwaukee, would you rather him walk for nothing?

I’m happy withe the trade,

But we had his rights, we could match anything and force him to be here for 4 more years or retire, unless he wanted to play a year on the 3mil or so QO to become a FA next year,

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rrayy · Post #287 » by **rrayy** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:26 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
livestrong4ever wrote:People were attacking the Middle contract earlier in this thread.
Seems confusing to me- you guys are upset that Bucks were not willing to overpay for Brogs but at the same time mad- they did overpay for Middleton?

Not confusing at all. Could have had Mirotic and Brogdon for the price of Middleton. Almost enough to choose Brogdon and Hill over him.

And again, it's the fact that they're being cheap. This is just another brick in that wall.

Mrotic was an absolute nothing and got benched in the ECF because he was so bad. Also, Brogdon wanted out. They were never going to have Brogdon.

TroyD92 · Post #288 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:26 pm

Ruben Quevedo wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
lvckv wrote:
He's a very good player, and the second-best on the Wolves. What are we giving to get him exactly?

Wolves and Heat both want to create cap room to sign Butler/Dlo. Bucks are in a great position and I'd be shocked if a deal with one of those teams doesn't go down.

I’d be shocked if we did. This smells like cheap owners to me.

I couldn't disagree more.

SupremeHustle · Post #289 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:27 pm

livestrong4ever wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:
livestrong4ever wrote:Harris got a 180 million dollar deal
Unsure why people are attacking the Middleton deal so harshly- its pretty much the going rate in the NBA- to let Middleton go would tank us. Its not like Milwaukee is a free agent destination. Giannis helps but its still Milwaukee

Wrong thread.

People were attacking the Middle contract earlier in this thread.
Seems confusing to me- you guys are upset that Bucks were not willing to overpay for Brogs but at the same time mad- they did overpay for Middleton?

Wrong person.

blazza18 · Post #290 » by **blazza18** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:27 pm

Hopefully something breaks soon about who we might look to bring in. Calm the board down a bit.

kid idioteque · Post #291 » by **kid idioteque** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:28 pm

There were rumors all year that a certain starter wasn't into being a part of the organization.

I wish the return was greater but I'm not totally sure this is the owners being cheap. Do you retain a guy who doesn't want to be here?

BigO · Post #292 » by **BigO** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:28 pm

mke_design wrote:Brogdon didn’t wanna he in Milwaukee. It’s that simple. We got a massive trade exception and restocked a bare cupboard.

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There is absolutely no evidence of this, but I guess saying it enough times makes it so.

rrayy · Post #293 » by **rrayy** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:28 pm

James1980 wrote:Exactly
Lippo wrote:
rrayy wrote:Brogdon likely doesn't want to be in Milwaukee. If he won't sign with Milwaukee, would you rather him walk for nothing?

I’m happy withe the trade,

But we had his rights, we could match anything and force him to be here for 4 more years or retire, unless he wanted to play a year on the 3mil or so QO to become a FA next year,

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Yeah waste a roster spot on a guy who doesn't want to be there. People just don't realize how bad a having a malcontent on the team is. I would rather spend that money on a guy who wants to be in Milwaukee over wasting it on a guy who obviously doesn't.

Xanadu · Post #294 » by **Xanadu** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:29 pm

Matches Malone wrote:TPE and picks to Miami for Josh Richardson. Make it happen, Horst.

This would be awesome. Don't think it happens because wouldn't Richardson be the guy Philly wants in a Butler sign and trade?
Also sad to see Brogdon go. He has been my boy for awhile. Still think he has room to improve and will hate having to watch him hit clutch shots against us for years to come.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #295 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:29 pm

BigO wrote:
mke_design wrote:Brogdon didn’t wanna he in Milwaukee. It’s that simple. We got a massive trade exception and restocked a bare cupboard.

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There is absolutely no evidence of this, but I guess saying it enough times makes it so.

Thank you, I have zero idea how this is being repeated like it's an absolute fact.

TroyD92 · Post #296 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:29 pm

kid idioteque wrote:There were rumors all year that a certain starter wasn't into being a part of the organization.

I wish the return was greater but I'm not totally sure this is the owners being cheap. Do you retain a guy who doesn't want to be here?

I think the return was about the best you could possible hope for? Brogdon had his breakout year in the final year of his contract. You get a most likely lightly protected pick and a trade exception.

mke_design · Post #297 » by **mke_design** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:29 pm

BigO wrote:
mke_design wrote:Brogdon didn’t wanna he in Milwaukee. It’s that simple. We got a massive trade exception and restocked a bare cupboard.

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There is absolutely no evidence of this, but I guess saying it enough times makes it so.

A lack of proof isn’t proof of non existence. There as many reasons to trace his time in Milwaukee as a guy who wanted to move on as much as there is evidence the owners want to be cheap. Get real.

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SupremeHustle · Post #298 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:30 pm

blazza18 wrote:Hopefully something breaks soon about who we might look to bring in. Calm the board down a bit.

Welcome back... Matthew Dellevadova?

Wonka · Post #299 » by **Wonka** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:30 pm

If all of this about Malcolm not wanting to be here is true and that we don’t want a malcontent because they don’t play well and impact chemistry, explain his last season, his extremely impressive 50/40/90 and our 60 win team?

BroncoBuck · Post #300 » by **BroncoBuck** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:30 pm

Buck Dweller wrote:
BroncoBuck wrote:
Buck Dweller wrote:So basically they traded an asset for a bunch of assets that could potentially bring back another asset comparable to the one they originally traded. If they find a trade partner, it's a lateral move, and that's assuming the return is equal enough to Brogdon. If they can't find a trade partner, you just squandered your #4 guy in the rotation JUST SO THE OWNERS DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE TAX.

You’re also ignoring Brogdon’s medical problems.

The Bucks traded an asset they were going to lose for another asset.

I'm no doctor but Brogdon's plantar fasciitis and the quad injury from the year prior were unrelated to the college foot issues. It's by no means a forgone conclusion that every foot issue will amount in nagging problems. But people always bring it up because it's convenient to their arguments.

And they were not going to lose Brogdon. He was restricted, and the only evidence he wanted out was a Gery tweet and some posters intuition about his body language, so that idea is still speculation.

Brogdon missed almost a season’s worth of games in his three years here. People around the league have referred to his foot as a ticking time bomb (The Ringer talked about this). If that’s not a red flag, then I don’t know what is.

It sucks this was the perfect free agency for him to leave and get a big payday, but the Bucks F.O. Made the best of it. Who knows if he wanted out or not, but the fact this deal was done so quickly points to the notion that he did.