Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

Post #361 » by **paulpressey25** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:57 pm

Nowak008 wrote:Herb Kohl pays deep into the tax for this team

And Jabari is drinking milk at State Fair, handing out dollar bills from his 5/$125 extension.

kid idioteque · Post #362 » by **kid idioteque** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:57 pm

Wonka wrote:If all of this about Malcolm not wanting to be here is true and that we don’t want a malcontent because they don’t play well and impact chemistry, explain his last season, his extremely impressive 50/40/90 and our 60 win team?

It's easily explained. The better you play, the more demand there is for you around the league.

All The Bucks · Post #363 » by **All The Bucks** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:58 pm

Matches Malone wrote:We got worse in the immediate future. I'm trying hard as hell to reserve judgement until I see what/if we do anything with those newly acquired picks and trade exception.

They got worse for the immediate future? As in what, summer league? You and everyone else need to step away from the ledge and see how this plays out. Do people really think they're going to let the TPE, 2 newly acquired drafts picks, and remaining cap flexibility go completely unused? Obviously there's more to come.

Licensed to Il · Post #364 » by **Licensed to Il** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:59 pm

The fact that this deal is agreed on and announced leads me to believe the Bucks are going to do something else quick. The next 24 hours is going to have a few teams looking to shed salary, and we did not have to make a decision till the 6th. Sure, this could be the owners dodging the tax, but the timing has me optimistic.

kid idioteque · Post #365 » by **kid idioteque** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:59 pm

Gery is becoming the voice of the team's malcontents. I'm not sure what to think about that.

BigO · Post #366 » by **BigO** » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:59 pm

mke_design wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:
mke_design wrote:
It isn’t fact, it’s deduction and theory. Your theories are allowed too.

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Well you certainly aren't framing it as deduction and theory, I think that's the issue.

And everyone else is framing their theory as that? That’s certainly not the case. If I put that this was my principle conclusion I would sound like I’m going to write an essay. It’s a message board.

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You stated it as a fact. If you don't know the difference between fact and opinion based on no facts, then ok. Bottom line is there are no incidents or facts to come to that conclusion. If I state that henson was traded because he hated Milwaukee because of the racial incident he was involved in, it would be plausible, but not based on any facts. Yet the henson incident was real.

Someone has already pointed out that signing with Indie makes your "no facts theory" implausible.

Here's what's plausible. The Bucks didn't want to pay him that amount of money and got the best deal they could get.

And by the way, Brogdon is low key and walks around looking sullen, just like he did at virginia. But everything he said was positive. he said he loved Bud and was happy here. I don't use this as proof, but he went out if his way to say those things.

BigO · Post #367 » by **BigO** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:00 am

Licensed to Il wrote:The fact that this deal is agreed on and announced leads me to believe the Bucks are going to do something else quick. The next 24 hours is going to have a few teams looking to shed salary, and we did not have to make a decision till the 6th. Sure, this could be the owners dodging the tax, but the timing has me optimistic.

This makes sense and is the only thing that would justify not signing Brogdon.

Matches Malone · Post #368 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:01 am

All The Bucks wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:We got worse in the immediate future. I'm trying hard as hell to reserve judgement until I see what/if we do anything with those newly acquired picks and trade exception.

They got worse for the immediate future? As in what, summer league? You and everyone else need to step away from the ledge and see how this plays out. Do people really think they're going to let the TPE, 2 newly acquired drafts picks, and remaining cap flexibility go completely unused? Obviously there's more to come.

Did you even read what I wrote? You just reiterated everything I just said. I'm RESERVING JUDGEMENT. But you're not guaranteed to get someone on the same level or better than Brogdon with those assets.

Daver · Post #369 » by **Daver** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:02 am

LuessiT wrote:
RandyBreuer wrote:If Butler truly wants to go to Houston what about getting in on a three-team deal to get Capela or Gordon?

We can't get either because they both make too much. If reports on Brogdon's salary are true our TPE can absorb someone making between 9.85m and 11.85m all things considered depending on how Brogdon's deal is structured. So looking at the teams that want to clear salary (Miami, Houston, Wolves) the following fit:

Richardson (10.1)
Covington (11.3)
Tucker (8.35)

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You stretch leuer you open another 6 milllion add that to the 12 you have enough for gordon for 2 years who i think would be perfect at the 2

raferfenix · Post #370 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:02 am

kid idioteque wrote:Gery is becoming the voice of the team's malcontents. I'm not sure what to think about that.

It was only a few hours but Gery got a big one right today proving he's been talking to someone in the know.

LuessiT · Post #371 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:03 am

Daver wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
RandyBreuer wrote:If Butler truly wants to go to Houston what about getting in on a three-team deal to get Capela or Gordon?

We can't get either because they both make too much. If reports on Brogdon's salary are true our TPE can absorb someone making between 9.85m and 11.85m all things considered depending on how Brogdon's deal is structured. So looking at the teams that want to clear salary (Miami, Houston, Wolves) the following fit:

Richardson (10.1)
Covington (11.3)
Tucker (8.35)
6

You stretch leuer you open another 6 milllion add that to the 12 you have enough for gordon for 2 years who i think would be perfect at the 2

You can't combine TPEs with whatever you're trying to combine them with lol.

th87 · Post #372 » by **th87** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:04 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:Love love love it

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Not a good sign

Buck Dweller · Post #373 » by **Buck Dweller** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:05 am

I need a walk. Don't let anyone tell you this wasn't about the owners saving money!

All The Bucks · Post #374 » by **All The Bucks** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:05 am

Matches Malone wrote:Did you even read what I wrote? You just reiterated everything I just said. I'm RESERVING JUDGEMENT. But you're not guaranteed to get someone on the same level or better than Brogdon with those assets.

Yeah, you also said we got worse in the immediate future. Which means nothing since we're 2 hours into the offseason and the season is 4 months away. The "immediate future" is a bunch of empty NBA arenas.

Matches Malone · Post #375 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:06 am

All The Bucks wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:Did you even read what I wrote? You just reiterated everything I just said. I'm RESERVING JUDGEMENT. But you're not guaranteed to get someone on the same level or better than Brogdon with those assets.

Yeah, you also said we got worse in the immediate future. Which means nothing since we're 2 hours into the offseason and the season is 4 months away. The "immediate future" is a bunch of empty NBA arenas.

I was giving a rationale as to why posters were freaking out about it to someone who asked. They see Brogdon leaves and have an initial reaction without thinking about what's still to come.

RandyBreuer · Post #376 » by **RandyBreuer** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:08 am

GOS one of the first on the dump Brandon Jennings bandwagon. Valued his opinions for many years now.

dsilby · Post #377 » by **dsilby** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:09 am

kid idioteque wrote:
Wonka wrote:If all of this about Malcolm not wanting to be here is true and that we don’t want a malcontent because they don’t play well and impact chemistry, explain his last season, his extremely impressive 50/40/90 and our 60 win team?

It's easily explained. The better you play, the more demand there is for you around the league.

Literally the easiest question I've even heard asked.
"CONTRACT YEAR".

TroyD92 · Post #378 » by **TroyD92** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:09 am

Buck Dweller wrote:I need a walk. Don't let anyone tell you this wasn't about the owners saving money!

THE EARTH ISN'T ROUND

Bernman · Post #379 » by **Bernman** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:10 am

I would have prioritized Malcolm over Middleton, if forced to choose. Malcolm brought it in both the regular and postseason, was a year and a half younger, and was half the price. He was both good off the ball, and in isolation, contrary to popular opinion.

And we weren't forced to choose because Malcolm was a ufa. They better be prepared to replace him with someone of comparable ilk in FA. And as of right now I believe they don't have the space, so would have to get creative.

How is a couple future draft picks, including a first that's not high, a good return for a borderline all-star, especially when you're a contending team? I don't get that. I'm concerned this is fantasy bball turned real owner Lasry trying to put his stamp on the team now that he's taken the reins from Wes again. Just wanted a K.I.S.S. offseason as a result.

Plossum · Post #380 » by **Plossum** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:10 am

I think there’s a small chance we sit on these picks for long or ever actually cash them in. Just a matter of when it happens.