FA/Offseason Thread: Perry not an idiot! Right? Right?!

Clyde_Style · Post #561 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:32 am

Stannis wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Stannis wrote:Well obviously you know me, and probably know I'm speaking out of jealousy. It's embarrassing, but I can't help it.

Anyway, regarding the Nets, there's a lot of ifs and coulds in my statement. So I'm not saying they did great, but they could have hit a home run if things go to plan.

I hope you are right about Knicks not wanting to give him the max. But recent sources are saying Durant already made up his mind a week ago. I would have liked if the Knicks formally offered a partially guaranteed contract.

In this day and age of guys getting paid $35-45M a year, many of which are terrible overpays, we signed a legit player for only 3 years at just over $20M and Taj was added for $10M for 2 years. While Randle has upside (he has improved every year basically) and Taj is obviously meant to provide the vet presence (which indicates to me not a lack of ideas, but a clear commitment to supporting the youth), these contracts and their length in this day and age keeps the team from getting boxed in on bad deals.

The real narrative is they are sticking to their guns and maintaining cap flexibility and not panicking by overpaying players to appease impatient fans. You should be applauding that whether Randle or Gibson themselves stir your loins or not. The overall narrative shows Perry is keeping a level head and not being a sucker. That's huge for the Knicks and I'm sure this board will misinterpret everything about it and this will be a cesspool for the next month.

I see what you are saying. And I hate to be that guy, but I'm still sure the FO wanted KD after the injury. This stuff we are hearing about not wanting to give him the max was just damage control. It was clear the Knicks' plan failed when KI went to the Nets. I'm not saying this can't work out for the Knicks. But their plan A failed.

Anyways, I'm still iffy on these moves. Sticking to their guns would mean continuing the rebuild like using your capspace to get more picks. It sounds like they are trying to sneak into the 8th seed.

You're just spitballing.

There is NO WAY the Knicks drop the leak BEFORE FREE AGENCY that Dolan wants complete medical due diligence on KD if they wanted him at max dollars. There is only one reason they'd seed that which is to back away from KD, because you don't do that if you want to sign him grasshopper

Post #562 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:32 am

CrazyKnicks wrote:
Sprewell4Three wrote:The Knicks have the most negative fans, I’m surprised mills and Perry are actually going through with the re build

This isn't a rebuild, in a rebuild you collect assets, not sign awful contracts.

god shammgod · Post #563 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:32 am

Grinditout wrote:Does Butler just wanna chill, rather than win a ring I guess lol

he couldn't get the 5th year so he gets the 4 years with no income tax in miami. it was financial probably. nice weather too.

Post #564 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:32 am

Mecca wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
if does if they keep paying meh role players who will just take time away from our young developing players...like if reggie bullock takes minutes from dotson/frank/rj/knox or the combo of that I will not be pleased.

We did need big forwards, that's the only part I agree with them on. I would have ran Knox at the four though, just to keep his minutes up. Now you basically stuck your own draft pick on the bench. Utter silliness.

Knox will be a bust if you make him a 3 and we just spent 30 million on 2 4’s. Y’all don’t realize how clueless this FO is.

Honestly, I have no issue with Taj and his deal, he's a good vet to have around. Good signing to help the young guys, primarily Mitch. Cant field just 20 year olds.

But why Randle? Makes no sense. I know Fiz can so much to say about him, but damn. Might as well trade Knox then. he's buried now.

Post #565 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:33 am

we need a veteran PG...teague covers that...we need someone to randimly chop up minutes as a backup 5 dieng gives that

u get two picks to just do nothing...do it!

Mecca · Post #566 » by **Mecca** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:33 am

dakomish23 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Yep.

Randle at least is on the timeline

You don’t need to overpay for veteran mentorship

Randle’s age doesn’t mean that much when it’s really just a 2 year deal without bird rights

EBR

Also more defensible than signing Gibson

More defensible yes, but signing a guy that isn’t a good shooter or defender in a league that prioritizes it in a dying position is kinda dumb.

Richard4444 · Post #567 » by **Richard4444** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:33 am

Wololo wrote:Almost 300 millions tied to Tobias Harris and 33 years old Al Horford over the next 4/5 seasons.

Yikes.

Later they will maximize Simmons and become the luxury tax champion.

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #568 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:34 am

knickstape4ever wrote:I hope Taj doesn't wear 67, its not a bball #

Its for his high school team.
Or his AAU team, not sure but there’s significance there

Mecca · Post #569 » by **Mecca** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:34 am

spree8 wrote:If we sign Bullock, Perry gotta go

Bullock gets me to go complete heel turn on Perry

Newyorknick94 · Post #570 » by **Newyorknick94** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:34 am

CrazyKnicks wrote:
Sprewell4Three wrote:The Knicks have the most negative fans, I’m surprised mills and Perry are actually going through with the re build

This isn't a rebuild, in a rebuild you collect assets, not sign awful contracts.

How many kids you want on the roster you need some vets in the locker room to help develop them

GEOLINK · Post #571 » by **GEOLINK** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:34 am

god shammgod wrote:
Grinditout wrote:Does Butler just wanna chill, rather than win a ring I guess lol

he couldn't get the 5th year so he gets the 4 years with no income tax in miami. it was financial probably. nice weather too.

Hot women as well.

Post #572 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:34 am

Zenzibar wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
Don't mind they released a statement, as ESPN is laughing and using us right now.

The hate New York gets still boggles my mind.

But if we gave KD the max, they'd STILL be ridiculing us for signing an injured, high risk player.

Can't win with these mthfkers!.

Don't Care!

They know you won’t stop watching

You know what? They're correct, I've alway watch and will root especially heavily now on the Fitz Kids!

knicks fandom is a sickness. i've accepted that.

Apples · Post #573 » by **Apples** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:34 am

Sprewell4Three wrote:The Knicks have the most negative fans, I’m surprised mills and Perry are actually going through with the re build

I think the Met fans are way more positive and they haven't won anything. And Wilpon is pretty darn bad too.

Post #574 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:35 am

Mecca wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Mecca wrote:

Randle’s age doesn’t mean that much when it’s really just a 2 year deal without bird rights

EBR

Also more defensible than signing Gibson

More defensible yes, but signing a guy that isn’t a good shooter or defender in a league that prioritizes it in a dying position is kinda dumb.

Wasn’t my top choice either

I don’t get the Mitch fit

Stannis · Post #575 » by **Stannis** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:35 am

robillionaire wrote:Phil Jackson would have us in a better position then we are right now, change my mind

Probably.

Only reason I've backed up Perry and Fiz for this long, because the whole idea was that they have good relations with the players; which was supposed to help us in free agency.

Not like it turned out.

Post #576 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:35 am

2 years $20 million for Gibson is a bit nuts though.

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Jeffrey · Post #577 » by **Jeffrey** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:35 am

GEOLINK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Grinditout wrote:Does Butler just wanna chill, rather than win a ring I guess lol

he couldn't get the 5th year so he gets the 4 years with no income tax in miami. it was financial probably. nice weather too.

Hot women as well.

Line of coke on a fine ass... man or woman

god shammgod · Post #578 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:35 am

i would have tanked again but if you want to try to get the 8th spot and maintain cap flexibility in the future, these are the kind of moves you make. you're all way too angry at this. you weren't getting any unprotected lottery picks for bad contracts anyway.

Fat Kat · Post #579 » by **Fat Kat** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:35 am

Real?

Read on Twitter

Chanel Bomber · Post #580 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:35 am

Mecca wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
Mecca wrote:
It has nothing to do with KD, or even DLo. It’s the point of failing to understand that the smart move would be to acquire picks by trading for liability contracts. These moves have no upside.

The upside is nurturing our youth, and having some vets to show them the ropes and to hold them accountable when they mess up.

Randle is going to take every last shot. We could’ve gotten vets like Carter, Dudley, Amir Johnson and Jamal Crawford. Didn’t have to spend 20 million.

Randle can take as many shots as he wants with a .600 TS%. He's immediately our most efficient scorer besides Mitch, who's all finishes at the rim. The real problem is his defense. He's only 24 so he still has upside. He's an investment. I'm no fan of Randle, as you well know, but I will reserve judgement.

Crawford is awful, Amir can't play anymore... but I wouldn't mind Carter or Dudley either.