Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[emunney]

Just flipped on NBA channel, they believe Brogdon was let go to avoid the luxury tax and the Bucks have simply blown it......always believed last year was their window, hope Giannis doesn’t realize that.

Maybe I'm in denial but I don't think the tax was a major factor in this. Wouldn't be surprised if we end up paying it yet. Given we got all these picks, I think we would have matched this if Indiana didn't throw all these picks at us AND Brogdon didn't express a desire to leave. Maybe they told him they were going to put the ball in his hands... The price tag suggests it.

[CJTURT]

Order of operations is important. First things that have to happen, are using cap space to sign Lopez or Hill, then shedding about $6 mil of salary (via Leuer stretch or Ersan dump/stretch), and using cap space to sign whichever of Lopez or Hill hasn't been signed. Then, we can, in any order, use the room mid level exception, sign Middleton, S&T Brogdon. That process DOES create a TPE.

The order looks good until you spend 30 million a year on a fringe all star player. It’s not so much the order of operation, but the operation itself. They failed in my humble opinion.

[awd4cy]

It’s hilarious to me the amount of people downplaying losing Brogdon without replacing him with anything. Do you really tell yourself we can win a championship with Pat C or Sterling Brown starting?

[crkone]

Order of operations is important. First things that have to happen, are using cap space to sign Lopez or Hill, then shedding about $6 mil of salary (via Leuer stretch or Ersan dump/stretch), and using cap space to sign whichever of Lopez or Hill hasn't been signed. Then, we can, in any order, use the room mid level exception, sign Middleton, S&T Brogdon. That process DOES create a TPE.

GAD bomb

[DanoMac]

Maybe there's a reason he's gone? Maybe the team, the leaders, felt the team played better when Brogdon was out (the Boston series).

There were so many times Brogdon played with horse blinders too (stealing that from breakchains). Guy's vision is really limited.

Just trying to be a voice of reason here. Maybe Brogdon wasn't all that in the locker room?

[xTitan]

It’s hilarious to me the amount of people downplaying losing Brogdon without replacing him with anything. Do you really tell yourself we can win a championship with Pat C or Sterling Brown starting?

They lostBrogdon and Mirotic, I know he struggled in the playoffs, but you are an average 3 point shooting team and just lost 2 of your best 3 point shooters.....who’s picking up that slack, Bledsoe?

[Licensed to Il]

It’s hilarious to me the amount of people downplaying losing Brogdon without replacing him with anything. Do you really tell yourself we can win a championship with Pat C or Sterling Brown starting?

Its hilarious to me you think this is the opening night or playoff roster.

[Bernman]

So far the offseason has proven two things:

1. Our billionaire owners aren't willing to pay the luxury tax. Even as they make billions of dollars off Giannis.

2. Confidence in our last two 1's (Donte and DJ).

I think it's possible these two can step in and produce next year. But if they don't, we take a step back as a regular season team. Playoff Bucks - who knows. Hit your free throws and some 3's and we're champions.

It doesn't prove any of that, since Mirotic turned down big money from other teams to go to Europe while being a luxury player for the Bucks, and as Dan pointed out we still have the TPE, picks, and a room exception. I think they ultimately pay the tax given how close the team was and they said that would be criteria in forking up the dough.

Doesn't mean they'll use it on a proper replacement for Brogdon given they let him go and that doesn't seem like the best decision by itself given as aforementioned they were contenders. Could wind up with an Anthony Mason type mistake after doing too much because another meddlesome owner like Kohl in Lasry took over team operations this offseason.

[buckboy]

Read on Twitter

So yeah, I reserved my judgement and now I hate this deal. **** our cheap **** owners.

Yep. Same.

Edit: Just saw Dan's post. I definitely believe him over pretty much anyone, so I'm back to being hopeful.

[CJTURT]

Maybe there's a reason he's gone? Maybe the team, the leaders, felt the team played better when Brogdon was out (the Boston series).

There were so many times Brogdon played with horse blinders too (stealing that from breakchains). Guy's vision is really limited.

Just trying to be a voice of reason here. Maybe Brogdon wasn't all that in the locker room?

Maybe Dano, it just seems like such a slap in the mouth to a lot of us. And it stings.

[msiris]

It’s hilarious to me the amount of people downplaying losing Brogdon without replacing him with anything. Do you really tell yourself we can win a championship with Pat C or Sterling Brown starting?

They lostBrogdon and Mirotic, I know he struggled in the playoffs, but you are an average 3 point shooting team and just lost 2 of your best 3 point shooters.....who’s picking up that slack, Bledsoe?

Surround Giannis with shooters. When is that going to happen?

[DanoMac]

Maybe there's a reason he's gone? Maybe the team, the leaders, felt the team played better when Brogdon was out (the Boston series).

There were so many times Brogdon played with horse blinders too (stealing that from breakchains). Guy's vision is really limited.

Just trying to be a voice of reason here. Maybe Brogdon wasn't all that in the locker room?

Maybe Dano, it just seems like such a slap in the mouth to a lot of us. And it stings.

For sure, but so did the way we lost Parker. Not saying the situations are similar, just saying let's try and trust these guys (Bud and Horst) before damning them to hell

[RiotPunch]

Order of operations is important. First things that have to happen, are using cap space to sign Lopez or Hill, then shedding about $6 mil of salary (via Leuer stretch or Ersan dump/stretch), and using cap space to sign whichever of Lopez or Hill hasn't been signed. Then, we can, in any order, use the room mid level exception, sign Middleton, S&T Brogdon. That process DOES create a TPE.

Hill and Lopez salaries would need to be slightly lighter on year one than the projections are for this to be done under the cap, but it's possible, even while retaining Brogdon's hold (after stretching Leuer). Then, you're saying, then we could conceivably, on the 6th:

Sign Player X to Room MLE, taking us over the cap,
Re-sign Midds,
S&T Brogdon to Indiana, creating TPE
*retain TPE for future opportunities*?

Could we squeeze in a TPE for Joe Harris swap before Durant is inked?

[emunney]

Order of operations is important. First things that have to happen, are using cap space to sign Lopez or Hill, then shedding about $6 mil of salary (via Leuer stretch or Ersan dump/stretch), and using cap space to sign whichever of Lopez or Hill hasn't been signed. Then, we can, in any order, use the room mid level exception, sign Middleton, S&T Brogdon. That process DOES create a TPE.

Was hoping you'd stop by. Saw Bobby Marks call it a 12m TPE. Why so small? BYC?

[Licensed to Il]

I have been on the couch Real GM’ing since 4:00. I love all of you.

[emunney]

It’s hilarious to me the amount of people downplaying losing Brogdon without replacing him with anything. Do you really tell yourself we can win a championship with Pat C or Sterling Brown starting?

They lostBrogdon and Mirotic, I know he struggled in the playoffs, but you are an average 3 point shooting team and just lost 2 of your best 3 point shooters.....who’s picking up that slack, Bledsoe?

Surround Giannis with shooters. When is that going to happen?

We sure did it last year. But Brogdon, Snell, and Niko out... Nobody in. Offseason's young but this is easily my biggest concern: that they've discounted what got us here because we missed too many shots against Toronto.

[tydett]

Brogdon is a good player, who can sometimes play great. He's incredibly sharp, mature, and is a good guy. Feet for some basketball players are ticking time bombs. Obviously different builds and playstyles, but Yao Ming's foot injuries destroyed his career. It's entirely possible the same happens to Brogdon. I can understand hesitance to pay for it. It sucks because Brogdon seemed to fit in really well here and did his job with aplomb, probably much better than he'll do it in Indy. It's a bummer, but I don't think this move turns out to be as disastrous as we think right now.

[GBPackers47]

Owners kept this team in Milwaukee. F*** em! Booo hoooo hoooo

You must love Bud Selig.

Yea dude. Have a shrine.

Miss.

[CJTURT]

Maybe there's a reason he's gone? Maybe the team, the leaders, felt the team played better when Brogdon was out (the Boston series).

There were so many times Brogdon played with horse blinders too (stealing that from breakchains). Guy's vision is really limited.

Just trying to be a voice of reason here. Maybe Brogdon wasn't all that in the locker room?

Maybe Dano, it just seems like such a slap in the mouth to a lot of us. And it stings.

For sure, but so did the way we lost Parker. Not saying the situations are similar, just saying let's try and trust these guys (Bud and Horst) before damning them to hell

Ok, I’ll let it ride. Hope others will to. But... , if this comes back to haunt us Just remember this day.

[vegaspacker]

My take, at least some of us won't have see 'Brogdan' post for much longer.

I really have had concerns about his availability regarding recurring injury issues.

He was rather frustrating to watch at times. Sure he hit some really timely threes, but as he broke down he kinda resembled Brandon Knight with his 'all me missed' drives. Smart guy, very capable at times but occassionally a liability. Plus, his defense wasn't a plus against some true PGs or allstar SGs. Rarely did we see him passing into dominating offensive plays. But he did provide some very clutch momentum changing scores.

Dude was stoic/aloof like Kawhi, but stoicism only works when your Leonard. That's a lot of cash for a guy who cannot stay on the floor, and be a 20mil cat.

Let it be known that I have not seen a Midds contract at this posting. If he gets a max/near max... that is certainly off putting.