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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#201 » by bravor » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:49 am

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bravor wrote:I just noticed this, thought it was just a rumor. Well wow.. i can only hope the third year is an option. Hard to understand what they are doing. Especially with Monk.


They're grooming Monk to be the next primary scorer. It's not hard to figure out.


Is not hard to figure out that Rozier and Monk are not complementary players, though. But we will see on the court. nd no matter what, 3 years is at the very least one year too much (unless TO on last year)
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#202 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:52 am

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bravor wrote:I just noticed this, thought it was just a rumor. Well wow.. i can only hope the third year is an option. Hard to understand what they are doing. Especially with Monk.


They're grooming Monk to be the next primary scorer. It's not hard to figure out.


Is not hard to figure out that Rozier and Monk are not complementary players, though. But we will see on the court.


How are they not compatible? One is a lock down defender who shoots a respectable 3 and the other is all offense. One has a 6-8 wingspan, allowing him to guard opposing shooting guards while Monk guards the point guards.
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#203 » by geraldwallace » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:53 am

Victor Oladipo was a 16ppg 4 and 2 player for the Thunder before landing in Indiana

Terry Rozier was a 15, 5 and 5 guy for the Celtics when starting

Not saying Rozier is Oladipo but I'm not counting the guy out
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#204 » by gundysmullet » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:55 am

LurkCobain wrote:Terry will average 20 ppg and 5 apg next year. Tag my post.

Tell me his advanced metrics not arcane stats from the 1980’s
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#205 » by cornchip » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:58 am

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Do you prefer Love at his age and with his injury history or an uptempo athletic freak like Wiggins?

I like that MJ wants to hunt for the playoffs.


Well now I really want us to deal Batum for Wiggins. Hell, if we’re taking on Rozier we might as well add Wiggins, who is a better gamble than most we could make. He is still a young player who showed a couple of years ago some major talent. It would certainly make for a team to watch;

Rozier - Graham
Wiggins - Bacon
Miles - ?
PJ - Marv
TBD (Cody or FA)


In order to avoid a clogged toilet you have to run Monk out there in permutations that include Miles Bridges and PJ Washington. Bacon can back up Miles at SF. Monk would be 6th man on a team starving for offense. For sure he's first off the bench with Wiggins here. And starter if not. Monk and Bacon have an open competition for starting SG I assume. But if MJ wants to win now and brings Wiggins, the competition will be for 6th man. I for one believe we need better spacing with Kemba gone. Monk has more spacing potential than anyone on the team and they just added a starting PG really not known for the 3. It's good that he plays strong defense so you can hide Monk better. Monk won't be attached to any bad contracts, totally unnecessary in a Wiggins deal.


Trading for Wiggins would put a nice neat bow on this disaster. Because of course we would bring in a wildly overrated player to start over our cheap , more efficient 2nd year guy while excaberating our awful cap situation.

Wiggins sucks. Don't want him. I think Rozier sucks and didn't want him so of course Wiggins will be a Hornet.
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#206 » by hotrod » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:00 am

Read on Twitter
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What?! We better not have to send another asset.
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#207 » by BigSlam » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:03 am

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.....on 40% shooting from the floor and 34% shooting from the field and only 3 FTA's per game.

:wink:

He did protect the ball well though. 5.7 assists per game and only 1.2 turn overs per game over 19 games is very impressive.
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#208 » by BigSlam » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:07 am

hotrod wrote:
Read on Twitter
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What?! We better not have to send another asset.

WHAT THE ACTUAL ****?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#209 » by LofJ » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:14 am

If the compensation is anything other than cash Silver should contract the team.
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#210 » by amcoolio » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:19 am

Don't believe that guy. Boston can f right off and take Terry back
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#211 » by BigSlam » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:19 am

LofJ wrote:If the compensation is anything other than cash Silver should contract the team.

If it's anything other than a top 59 protected draft pick.....
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#212 » by 316Hornets » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:20 am

they can have a 2nd rounder
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#213 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:20 am

Think it's a protected 2nd round pick.

Basically Boston was doing Charlotte a favor and charged the Hornets for it. The Celtics didn't need a sign & trade to get Kemba, but the Hornets did to get Terry.
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte  

Post#214 » by BlackOutBuzz » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:22 am

This is where the moratorium sucks. Had all these deals happened in real time they likely wouldn't have asked for anything additional as they were looking to clear space for Horford. With the latter signing in Philly, they can come back and squeeze us since the deal won't be official for a week.

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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#215 » by LofJ » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:24 am

BlackOutBuzz wrote:This is where the moratorium sucks. Had all these deals happened in real time they likely wouldn't have asked for anything additional as they were looking to clear space for Horford. With the latter signing in Philly, they can come back and squeeze us since the deal won't be official for a week.

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You can always back out, the Hornets don't have to sign Rozier.
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#216 » by 316Hornets » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:32 am

I really don't think we should have to give them anything, but if they have no reason to trade, then obviously, we'd probably prefer to take a chance on Rozier than other guys with limited potential from whatever money we'd have without a S&T. So, I can understand if we have to send them a 2nd rounder, but would like to get it done without one.
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte  

Post#217 » by dmutombo321 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:39 am

If this rozier deal falls apart before it can be consummated, I won't shed any tears

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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte  

Post#218 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:39 am

I know this post is long, but I don’t think anyone has stated these points.

I have been moving into a new house for the last two days, but here are my thoughts.

By signing and trading Kemba to Celtics for Rozier it allowed us to add a player without using our cap space (we had none) and preserve the MLE. Now we still have the MLE and trade exception at our hands and roughly 12 million under the tax.

If we had signed any other point guard let’s just say Elfrid Payton. We would of only had MLE to spend meaning we could only offer him 9.7 starting salary and then we we wouldn’t have any more money to spend.

With Rozier we basically got to treat him like a RFA, meaning we can sign him back without using cap space. We couldn’t have done this with any other team besides Boston, and he was only player on their team who fit. I think we overpaid him some, but it’s not like we had a lot of options in this scenario, I think he can be considered an asset still at this price.




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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte 

Post#219 » by BigSlam » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:49 am

BlackOutBuzz wrote:There's an obscure factor in this called "base-year compensation" that dilutes Kemba's outgoing value for matching purposes. A player that is:

1) signed-and-traded
2) at an amount that's a 20%+ raise
3) that takes his original team over the cap,...

has his outgoing value cut in half. All of these apply to Kemba, but only 1 and 2 apply to Rozier.

So Kemba's $32.7M contract effectively counts as a $16.35M deal, which can be matched to Rozier's $17.9M.

Question about this BoB:

Because of the "base-year compensation" factor you outlined above were we forced to sign Rozier to the contract we did in order to make the salaries align based on the contract Kemba was signed to?

If we had wanted to sign Rozier to a 3/30 type contract, could we have, or were we forced to sign him to something around $16.35mil year in order to facilitate the trade??
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Re: Shams: Rozier to Charlotte  

Post#220 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:52 am

Going back to the MLE statement, again we only have 9.7 million.

Other point guards who signed today.

Rubio- 3/51- couldn’t afford
Russell-4/117- no way to get
Brogdon 4-85- no way to get


Guys we could get:
Rozier 3/58
Drose 2/15-
George Hill 3/29

Looking at this from this angle I feel better




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