Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[RiotPunch]

I know this is terrible of me, but refresh my memory on who GrandAdmiralDan is?


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[stillgotgame]

Isaiah Thomas anyone? We need another shooter. If he's healthy...

[msiris]

I actually like that we reloaded on picks if we were going to lose him anyway. He needs to be replaced though if we want to seriously contend, curious to see who we target. Bucks performed pretty well without Brogdon last season so I can see why they thought he was expendable.

Ummmm. We were 11-7 without him. Without Midds we were 4-1.

Do playoff games not count?

Giannis pretty much destroyed Detroit and Boston by himself.

[H2tObes]

Ummmm. We were 11-7 without him. Without Midds we were 4-1.

Do playoff games not count?

Giannis pretty much destroyed Detroit and Boston by himself.

Ok then

[GBPackers47]

You must love Bud Selig.

Yea dude. Have a shrine.

Miss.

Just about anybody else would have kept the franchise in Milwaukee because it was a prerequisite of the deal, unless they couldn't get the arena deal done eventually. Which they did, while scamming the public out of a hundred million dollars because they sold the start building by date as a build by one and presented Kohl's donation to the arena/public as their own. Not exactly something that should engender good will forever which should give them a free pass when other indiscretions occur. If anything the opposite is the case. They should be held to a higher standard. Unless you're an authority worshiping sucker.

No I’m a fan of the Bucks staying in the state of Wisconsin, which is what happened. The prerequisite of the deal was breaking ground on a new stadium by a certain date, which is what happened. We don’t know that anyone would have kept them here. To assume someone else with f*** you money to buy a team wouldn’t look out for their own financial interests too is denial.

People flip flop on everything this team does. First Eric Bledsoe was a steal with his extension. Now we want to trade him. First Bud was the best coaching hire we’ve had in years, and some people here want to fire him because we didn’t get to the finals in his first year. John Horst is a dumb FedEx guy, then he’s a genius, now he sucks again.

For all the complaining people do about Raptors and Sixers fans being annoying, Bucks fans are sure making a name for themselves with the amount of whining going on.

This organization has f***ing sucked for a long time. The early days Free Agency here were dedicated to conversations about OJ Mayo and Drew Gooden.

Remember the actual dark days before claiming this team had a one year window. I mean Christ we have a 24 year old superstar who just won the MVP.

But yea, f*** this team.

[awd4cy]

I actually like that we reloaded on picks if we were going to lose him anyway. He needs to be replaced though if we want to seriously contend, curious to see who we target. Bucks performed pretty well without Brogdon last season so I can see why they thought he was expendable.

Ummmm. We were 11-7 without him. Without Midds we were 4-1.

Do playoff games not count?

One could argue the 4 against Detroit with an injured Blake Griffin don’t. I guess you’ll just have to wait an see when we run into the several games where Lopez, Bled, and Midds or anyone on the bench can’t buy a 3 and will no longer have Brogdon to rely on.

[H2tObes]

Ummmm. We were 11-7 without him. Without Midds we were 4-1.

Do playoff games not count?

One could argue the 4 against Detroit with an injured Blake Griffin don’t. I guess you’ll just have to wait an see when we run into the several games where Lopez, Bled, and Midds or anyone on the bench can’t buy a 3 and will no longer have Brogdon to rely on.

Imagine just not counting games because it doesn't fit your agenda

[Plossum]

Isaiah Thomas anyone? We need another shooter. If he's healthy...

It’s tempting at the vet min for a year but I get the impression he’s a bit of a douche. Not sure we want that bad juju around.

[awd4cy]

Do playoff games not count?

One could argue the 4 against Detroit with an injured Blake Griffin don’t. I guess you’ll just have to wait an see when we run into the several games where Lopez, Bled, and Midds or anyone on the bench can’t buy a 3 and will no longer have Brogdon to rely on.

Imagine just not counting games because it doesn't fit your agenda

You mean like you’ve done? No mention of the team being 4-1 without Middleton. Maybe he doesn’t have the type of impact you think he does. Do you think the Bucks lose vs Detroit without Middleton?

[stillgotgame]

Isaiah Thomas anyone? We need another shooter. If he's healthy...

It’s tempting at the vet min for a year but I get the impression he’s a bit of a douche. Not sure we want that bad juju around.

If he acts up then we cut him, Carmelo style.

He's a guy that can get his own shot - or he could.
We need that quality, especially when the other team is is in the middle of a 26-3 run.

[paulpressey25]

I'm still sorting this TPE stuff in my head.

1. Bucks stretch Leuer creating $18mm (?) cap space.
2. Bucks try to sign Hill and Lopez with that cap space (but I think they still need Brogdon's $3mm cap hold to go away to fit both in)
3. Bucks sign Middleton (now over cap clearly
4. Bucks S&T Brogdon and generate TPE.

I'm just lost though where they get the salary cap room to sign Lopez and Hill to those reported numbers without renouncing Brogdon.

[stillgotgame]

Pretty sure the Billioniare owners don't want the TPE.

[LuessiT]

I'm still sorting this TPE stuff in my head.

1. Bucks stretch Leuer creating $18mm (?) cap space.
2. Bucks try to sign Hill and Lopez with that cap space (but I think they still need Brogdon's $3mm cap hold to go away to fit both in)
3. Bucks sign Middleton (now over cap clearly
4. Bucks S&T Brogdon and generate TPE.

I'm just lost though where they get the salary cap room to sign Lopez and Hill to those reported numbers without renouncing Brogdon.

These are my latest numbers (copied from the Hill thread):

Giannis 25,842697
Middleton 19,5 (cap hold)
Bledsoe 15,625
Lopez 12,1
Hill 9,2
Ersan 7
DJ 2,96112
DDV 2,9058
Pat 1,72305
Brogdon 1,676735
Brown 1,61852
2x Min 1,79662

Leuer 3,169348
Hawes 2,007058
Sanders 1,865546

= 108,991494 (without the Hill guarantee)

If the Hill deal sets off the Hill guarantee it works.

[H2tObes]

One could argue the 4 against Detroit with an injured Blake Griffin don’t. I guess you’ll just have to wait an see when we run into the several games where Lopez, Bled, and Midds or anyone on the bench can’t buy a 3 and will no longer have Brogdon to rely on.

Imagine just not counting games because it doesn't fit your agenda

You mean like you’ve done? No mention of the team being 4-1 without Middleton. Maybe he doesn’t have the type of impact you think he does. Do you think the Bucks lose vs Detroit without Middleton?

I actually came into this thread to avoid talking about Middleton, I gave my opinion on the deal and then you come at me with this Middleton talk.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Order of operations is important. First things that have to happen, are using cap space to sign Lopez or Hill, then shedding about $6 mil of salary (via Leuer stretch or Ersan dump/stretch), and using cap space to sign whichever of Lopez or Hill hasn't been signed. Then, we can, in any order, use the room mid level exception, sign Middleton, S&T Brogdon. That process DOES create a TPE.

Was hoping you'd stop by. Saw Bobby Marks call it a 12m TPE. Why so small? BYC?

Yes, BYC. TPE would be 50% of Brogdon's first year salary.

[RiotPunch]

I'm still sorting this TPE stuff in my head.

1. Bucks stretch Leuer creating $18mm (?) cap space.
2. Bucks try to sign Hill and Lopez with that cap space (but I think they still need Brogdon's $3mm cap hold to go away to fit both in)
3. Bucks sign Middleton (now over cap clearly
4. Bucks S&T Brogdon and generate TPE.

I'm just lost though where they get the salary cap room to sign Lopez and Hill to those reported numbers without renouncing Brogdon.

What if we use some of our new draft capital to straight up move Leuer, rather than stretch him, to make the dollars work? Would the Knicks take him for the future 2nds?

EDIT: Retaining and using this created TPE, while keeping the 1st, makes or breaks this deal for me.

[ShootingtheJ]

Loved Malcolm as a player and a person, and I wish him well even on a division rival team, but if you think that he was/is the difference in winning a championship or not, then I'm gonna say that you were never sold on this team as a championship contender in the first place. One of the free agents was always gonna have to be expendable, and unfortunately it was him. They're obviously not done making moves so I'm interested to see what they do with those picks and the salary exceptions.

So we can win a championship with the same team that couldn’t last year, only to plug either Sterling Brown or Pat C in the starting lineup?

Do you think we're done? We're not going to use the TPE. We're going to sit on the newly acquired draft picks? Sit on the exemptions?

I think we're going to have some fun yet. I loved Brogdon, but he was the most replaceable. The team still loves DDV.

[mke_design]

One could argue the 4 against Detroit with an injured Blake Griffin don’t. I guess you’ll just have to wait an see when we run into the several games where Lopez, Bled, and Midds or anyone on the bench can’t buy a 3 and will no longer have Brogdon to rely on.

Imagine just not counting games because it doesn't fit your agenda

You mean like you’ve done? No mention of the team being 4-1 without Middleton. Maybe he doesn’t have the type of impact you think he does. Do you think the Bucks lose vs Detroit without Middleton?

Go check how well Middleton did that series and tell me he isn’t a major reason we flamed them so easily.


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[BUCKnation]

I could easily see Sterling making a nice jump. His advanced role at the end of the year when he was getting more time seemed to give him a good amount of confidence.

[Nowak008]

Who starts at the 2? Brown or DDV?