Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[All The Bucks]

Who starts at the 2? Brown or DDV?

Someone not currently on the roster.

[Nowak008]

Who starts at the 2? Brown or DDV?

Someone not currently on the roster.

That could be. I think we wait till the deadline to fire off those picks tho.

I bet DDV gets the nod since we will need more ball handling in the starting unit.

[MickeyDavis]

DDV isn't cleared to play summer league. That's bothersome. They say he's healthy but if so he needs to play.

[LUKE23]

Pick Year or protection listed yet?

[RiotPunch]

Who starts at the 2? Brown or DDV?

Someone not currently on the roster.

[El Pooch Grande]

So without reading through all 28 pages, how do we, as a board, feel about losing Malcolm today? Are we to believe the foot injury concerns were a driving issue?

[BucksFanSD]

Pick Year or protection listed yet?

2020 1st rounder

[ibanezjp]

Who starts at the 2? Brown or DDV?

Someone not currently on the roster.

Is it possible that we start Brown but start to play big lineups a lot more with Khris at the 2 and maybe DJ/Ersan in. In all honesty there is a lot to like about Brown. Scrappy D, good corner 3 point shooter, and can do some driving to the basket. But then again comparing him to Brogdon you’d take Brogdon everytime.

[Magic Giannison]

The first feeling i get is that eh its bad but w got some picks and taking into according his injuries and all i would give him 20 mil at absolute max and thats without returns, with the returns i guess its ok.

Problem is we need a replacement, big time unless we move Middleton to SG and put someone else at 3

[BucksFanSD]

From ESPN+

The deal

Indiana Pacers get: Malcolm Brogdon

Milwaukee Bucks get: 2020 first-round pick, two future second-round picks

Milwaukee Bucks: C

If the Bucks had decided they weren't willing to pay Brogdon the market rate as a restricted free agent, there's no doubt a sign-and-trade was the way to go. Milwaukee gets a first-round pick to help replace the two future first-rounders the team is already out due to past trades -- one that's almost certain to convey in 2020 from the Eric Bledsoe deal, plus a top-10 protected pick two years after that sent out in last year's money-saving trade for George Hill.

Beyond that, the Bucks will also create a trade exception worth half of Brogdon's 2019-20 salary by trading him without getting anything in return. (The trade exception will be worth only half his salary, rather than the full amount, because of base-year compensation rules.) That's important because Milwaukee won't create much cap space by trading Brogdon after committing to a four-year, $52 million deal to re-sign center Brook Lopez using space. The most starting salary the Bucks can offer a free agent is their $4.8 million room midlevel exception. So the trade exception will offer them more spending power to utilize at some point in the next year.

Still, at this price, I think I'd have been inclined to just match and keep Brogdon. As long as Brogdon can stay healthy -- and the broken bone in his left foot that sidelined him an entire season at Virginia apparently remains a serious concern -- he should be reasonably paid at this price given his combination of shooting, playmaking and defense are so tough to replace.

Milwaukee isn't going to find anyone with a trade exception or the room midlevel exception nearly as good as Brogdon, and now is the time to pay the luxury tax with a team capable of winning a championship and Giannis Antetokounmpo a year away from deciding whether he wants to commit to staying long-term on a supermax extension.

To me, without knowledge of Brogdon's medical records, the risk of the Bucks failing to maximize their championship window and giving Giannis a reason to leave is greater than the risk of overpaying here.

Indiana Pacers: C

Conversely, I'm not sure I love this deal for the Pacers, either, even if I much prefer Brogdon as a fit next to shooting guard Victor Oladipo than long-rumored Indiana target Ricky Rubio. The Pacers are basically paying twice here -- both in enough salary to beat out other suitors for Brogdon and in giving up the first-round pick to ensure the Bucks didn't match their offer.

From a rational standpoint, the value of a first-round pick is that rookie-scale contracts mean first-rounders are typically underpaid, so to be worth giving one up in return, a player should be underpaid, as well. I think that's unlikely for Brogdon at $20-plus million over the next four years, which will take him through age 30.

While that was worth it for Milwaukee given how close the team is to a championship, Indiana isn't quite at that level of contention. As a result, I probably would have been content waiting out a surprisingly frenzied market for point guards.

[paulpressey25]

We just need to see that pick protection. If lotto protected and doesn’t convey, does it convert to two seconds, lose protection, etc

[Nowak008]

We just need to see that pick protection. If lotto protected and doesn’t convey, does it convert to two seconds, lose protection, etc

My sources tell me the pick protection has a player option on it.

[humanrefutation]

The logical next move is for us to send a first round pick to Detroit for Tony Snell.

[dsilby]

Who starts at the 2? Brown or DDV?

Someone not currently on the roster.

I've been agreeing with most of your posts today.
People seem to think that this is a finished roster on June 30th. A lot of time left to maneuver.

[dsilby]

The logical next move is for us to send a first round pick to Detroit for Tony Snell.

This made me laugh, and then pause and think. Then laugh again. Then pause and think.

[dsilby]

From ESPN+

The deal

Indiana Pacers get: Malcolm Brogdon

Milwaukee Bucks get: 2020 first-round pick, two future second-round picks

Milwaukee Bucks: C

If the Bucks had decided they weren't willing to pay Brogdon the market rate as a restricted free agent, there's no doubt a sign-and-trade was the way to go. Milwaukee gets a first-round pick to help replace the two future first-rounders the team is already out due to past trades -- one that's almost certain to convey in 2020 from the Eric Bledsoe deal, plus a top-10 protected pick two years after that sent out in last year's money-saving trade for George Hill.

Beyond that, the Bucks will also create a trade exception worth half of Brogdon's 2019-20 salary by trading him without getting anything in return. (The trade exception will be worth only half his salary, rather than the full amount, because of base-year compensation rules.) That's important because Milwaukee won't create much cap space by trading Brogdon after committing to a four-year, $52 million deal to re-sign center Brook Lopez using space. The most starting salary the Bucks can offer a free agent is their $4.8 million room midlevel exception. So the trade exception will offer them more spending power to utilize at some point in the next year.

Still, at this price, I think I'd have been inclined to just match and keep Brogdon. As long as Brogdon can stay healthy -- and the broken bone in his left foot that sidelined him an entire season at Virginia apparently remains a serious concern -- he should be reasonably paid at this price given his combination of shooting, playmaking and defense are so tough to replace.

Milwaukee isn't going to find anyone with a trade exception or the room midlevel exception nearly as good as Brogdon, and now is the time to pay the luxury tax with a team capable of winning a championship and Giannis Antetokounmpo a year away from deciding whether he wants to commit to staying long-term on a supermax extension.

To me, without knowledge of Brogdon's medical records, the risk of the Bucks failing to maximize their championship window and giving Giannis a reason to leave is greater than the risk of overpaying here.

Indiana Pacers: C

Conversely, I'm not sure I love this deal for the Pacers, either, even if I much prefer Brogdon as a fit next to shooting guard Victor Oladipo than long-rumored Indiana target Ricky Rubio. The Pacers are basically paying twice here -- both in enough salary to beat out other suitors for Brogdon and in giving up the first-round pick to ensure the Bucks didn't match their offer.

From a rational standpoint, the value of a first-round pick is that rookie-scale contracts mean first-rounders are typically underpaid, so to be worth giving one up in return, a player should be underpaid, as well. I think that's unlikely for Brogdon at $20-plus million over the next four years, which will take him through age 30.

While that was worth it for Milwaukee given how close the team is to a championship, Indiana isn't quite at that level of contention. As a result, I probably would have been content waiting out a surprisingly frenzied market for point guards.

I can't take anything ESPN says seriously.
During their breakdown on TV they said, "you took a guy in Malcom who loves the city and loves playing for the Bucks and run him out of town".
These talking heads on ESPN do not know one thing about the Bucks or their players. They then talked about how Giannis was going to end up in either NY or Dallas and never even talked about Milwaukee as an option.

[bleeds_purple]

Loved Malcolm as a player and a person, and I wish him well even on a division rival team, but if you think that he was/is the difference in winning a championship or not, then I'm gonna say that you were never sold on this team as a championship contender in the first place. One of the free agents was always gonna have to be expendable, and unfortunately it was him. They're obviously not done making moves so I'm interested to see what they do with those picks and the salary exceptions.

So we can win a championship with the same team that couldn’t last year, only to plug either Sterling Brown or Pat C in the starting lineup?

Do you think we're done? We're not going to use the TPE. We're going to sit on the newly acquired draft picks? Sit on the exemptions?

I think we're going to have some fun yet. I loved Brogdon, but he was the most replaceable. The team still loves DDV.

What do you think about Fournier or Schroeder as a replacement? Feels like Orlando could be enticed. And then hope Iggy gets bought out and make a run.

[kid idioteque]

It’s hilarious to me the amount of people downplaying losing Brogdon without replacing him with anything. Do you really tell yourself we can win a championship with Pat C or Sterling Brown starting?

We annihilated the Celtics mostly without him.

[rilamann]

Not having Brogdon to depend on is really going to suck when we're in a crucial playoff game and Middleton is having one of his 6pt games and Bledsoe is so mind **** that he's unplayable.

[benultimate]

The logical next move is for us to send a first round pick to Detroit for Tony Snell.

I wonder if we knew we were shipping off Brogdon when we traded away Snell