Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[Chapter29]

We clearly need a starting SG. There's no way we are going forward with the options we have on this roster. I don't see that.

I am not sure if we used any of that TE or what with RL (mid level / bi annual exp I presume) but I hope we leverage that and a player in a move for a strarting caliber SG. Somehow.....ugh. Losing Brogdon is painful.

[machu46]

We clearly need a starting SG. There's no way we are going forward with the options we have on this roster. I don't see that.

I am not sure if we used any of that TE or what with RL (mid level / bi annual exp I presume) but I hope we leverage that and a player in a move for a strarting caliber SG. Somehow.....ugh. Losing Brogdon is painful.

The trade exception might not even exist depending on what we do on July 6th, but regardless, it's not being used by RoLo. I wouldn't necessarily count on us using the exception even if we do create it though but we'll see.

[jschligs]

We clearly need a starting SG. There's no way we are going forward with the options we have on this roster. I don't see that.

I am not sure if we used any of that TE or what with RL (mid level / bi annual exp I presume) but I hope we leverage that and a player in a move for a strarting caliber SG. Somehow.....ugh. Losing Brogdon is painful.

Myself and the rest of the world are still confused as to how that TPE works and if we still have it. Sounds like even the beat writers don't know haha

[skones]

We clearly need a starting SG. There's no way we are going forward with the options we have on this roster. I don't see that.

I am not sure if we used any of that TE or what with RL (mid level / bi annual exp I presume) but I hope we leverage that and a player in a move for a strarting caliber SG. Somehow.....ugh. Losing Brogdon is painful.

Myself and the rest of the world are still confused as to how that TPE works and if we still have it. Sounds like even the beat writers don't know haha

You cannot sign players with a TPE, it is for trade only. They are created to offset salaries when one team is over the cap. So say we have this 12M TPE. We can add picks to that TPE (not players unfortunately) to trade for and absorb a player who makes 12M or less with that TPE. If we take less than the full TPE, another TPE is created for us to use with the remainder. TPEs expire after one year.

FOR EXAMPLE (not confirming we HAVE a TPE but if we did):

We have a 12 million dollar TPE. Memphis gets Crowder in the Conley deal, but ultimately he doesn't fit their long term plans. Rather than pay him the 7.8M owed this season, Memphis agrees to accept picks in return for him. Since Milwaukee is over the cap, they wouldn't be able to absorb him straight away. Instead, They deal a 7.8M TPE (7.8 from the 12) plus picks for Jae Crowder. When the 12M dollar TPE is split up, it creates a 4.2M TPE for Milwaukee to use at a later date.

[Isocleas2]

At least the bucks have some ammo to make a move or two. A 12 mil TPE, Ersans expiring contract and a few picks could land them a starter in-season when some teams decide to go tank mode. Also they are still good enough to be on a 55 win pace without Brogdon, so they can audition Brown/DDV and if they're not ready can still retool midway for the playoff run.

At least that's what I'm choosing to tell myself when I get pissed about letting the Prez go. I'm just hoping it wasn't the money. Let the rumours that he wanted out be true, or the foot and I can live with it.

[LUKE23]

It has not been confirmed we even have the TPE and you cannot combine that with other assets.

[Baddy Chuck]

It has not been confirmed we even have the TPE and you cannot combine that with other assets.

Sure you can.

[chonestown]

And re-upped a mental midget in Bledsoe. Brogdon was the steady wild card guy who would still give us a chance when the moment got too big for the other guys. Keeping Middleton and Bledsoe around and letting go of Brogdon makes it appear that the Buck's front office puts a premium on guys who don't show up when it really matters.

Could we maybe not fking use "mental midget" to describe athletic performance? Or y'know, maybe not use it at all lol

[Matches Malone]

[Bucksfan28]

Malcolm "no moment is too big/shows up when it really matters" Brogdon with his career playoff averages of 10/4/3 on 43/38/71 shooting. Maybe the Bucks beat Boston last year if he wasn't so abysmal and actually lived up to that reputation.

[paulpressey25]

Guys, we got a first and two seconds for Brogdon. A guy who wanted out and who got signed to a $22mm per year average deal but missed two months at the end of the last two years.

I loved Brogdon, but this outcome was ok. I thought we were going to lose him for nothing.

[emunney]

What are the picks? Strange that there's nothing out about them. Makes me think this situation is still a little fluid.

[Nowak008]

We need a starting SG. Not good with Brown or DDV handling that role for this team.

I think DDV could really break out and Brown in a contract year could be great. Giannis effect helps out a ton.

[M-C-G]

Guys, we got a first and two seconds for Brogdon. A guy who wanted out and who got signed to a $22mm per year average deal but missed two months at the end of the last two years.

I loved Brogdon, but this outcome was ok. I thought we were going to lose him for nothing.

I consider myself one of Brogdon's biggest fans (one of the few draft prospects I wanted us to draft and he was so much better than I could have expected) but yeah, this is a fine deal.

Big question is do we really have a TPE that we could maybe flip to someone like Memphis for Avery Bradley or does the orginization think Sterling is ready for a larger role, or is there another move that remains to be seen. I am kind of excited about seeing Sterling in a bigger role, but I'll wait to see how this all shakes out.

[Eazy E]

We clearly need a starting SG. There's no way we are going forward with the options we have on this roster. I don't see that.

I am not sure if we used any of that TE or what with RL (mid level / bi annual exp I presume) but I hope we leverage that and a player in a move for a strarting caliber SG. Somehow.....ugh. Losing Brogdon is painful.

Myself and the rest of the world are still confused as to how that TPE works and if we still have it. Sounds like even the beat writers don't know haha

You cannot sign players with a TPE, it is for trade only. They are created to offset salaries when one team is over the cap. So say we have this 12M TPE. We can add picks to that TPE (not players unfortunately) to trade for and absorb a player who makes 12M or less with that TPE. If we take less than the full TPE, another TPE is created for us to use with the remainder. TPEs expire after one year.

FOR EXAMPLE (not confirming we HAVE a TPE but if we did):

We have a 12 million dollar TPE. Memphis gets Crowder in the Conley deal, but ultimately he doesn't fit their long term plans. Rather than pay him the 7.8M owed this season, Memphis agrees to accept picks in return for him. Since Milwaukee is over the cap, they wouldn't be able to absorb him straight away. Instead, They deal a 7.8M TPE (7.8 from the 12) plus picks for Jae Crowder. When the 12M dollar TPE is split up, it creates a 4.2M TPE for Milwaukee to use at a later date.

Didn't we also create a TPE with the Snell trade? Are we able to combine those TPEs?

[skones]

Myself and the rest of the world are still confused as to how that TPE works and if we still have it. Sounds like even the beat writers don't know haha

You cannot sign players with a TPE, it is for trade only. They are created to offset salaries when one team is over the cap. So say we have this 12M TPE. We can add picks to that TPE (not players unfortunately) to trade for and absorb a player who makes 12M or less with that TPE. If we take less than the full TPE, another TPE is created for us to use with the remainder. TPEs expire after one year.

FOR EXAMPLE (not confirming we HAVE a TPE but if we did):

We have a 12 million dollar TPE. Memphis gets Crowder in the Conley deal, but ultimately he doesn't fit their long term plans. Rather than pay him the 7.8M owed this season, Memphis agrees to accept picks in return for him. Since Milwaukee is over the cap, they wouldn't be able to absorb him straight away. Instead, They deal a 7.8M TPE (7.8 from the 12) plus picks for Jae Crowder. When the 12M dollar TPE is split up, it creates a 4.2M TPE for Milwaukee to use at a later date.

Didn't we also create a TPE with the Snell trade? Are we able to combine those TPEs?

The Snell TPE is so small it's not really worth talking about. It's like 600K. You cannot combine TPEs.

[old skool]

Has anyone calculated if the Bucks can sign Brook Lopez and Hill without renouncing the TPE?

The way I understand it, they would have to sign those non-Bird rights free agents before consummating the Brogdon S&T so they would still have Brogdon's cap hold on the books. Once the S&T is completed, the value of the TPE counts against their cap, making it impossible to pay Brook and Hill. But the price of signing Brook and Hill might still require the renouncing of the TPE if they can't take advantage of it before completing the S&T. I assume that date would be July 8, unless the Pacers are incredibly cooperative.

[Eazy E]

You cannot sign players with a TPE, it is for trade only. They are created to offset salaries when one team is over the cap. So say we have this 12M TPE. We can add picks to that TPE (not players unfortunately) to trade for and absorb a player who makes 12M or less with that TPE. If we take less than the full TPE, another TPE is created for us to use with the remainder. TPEs expire after one year.

FOR EXAMPLE (not confirming we HAVE a TPE but if we did):

We have a 12 million dollar TPE. Memphis gets Crowder in the Conley deal, but ultimately he doesn't fit their long term plans. Rather than pay him the 7.8M owed this season, Memphis agrees to accept picks in return for him. Since Milwaukee is over the cap, they wouldn't be able to absorb him straight away. Instead, They deal a 7.8M TPE (7.8 from the 12) plus picks for Jae Crowder. When the 12M dollar TPE is split up, it creates a 4.2M TPE for Milwaukee to use at a later date.

Didn't we also create a TPE with the Snell trade? Are we able to combine those TPEs?

The Snell TPE is so small it's not really worth talking about. It's like 600K. You cannot combine TPEs.

Thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression it was for around $1.7M

[crkone]

Order of operations is important. First things that have to happen, are using cap space to sign Lopez or Hill, then shedding about $6 mil of salary (via Leuer stretch or Ersan dump/stretch), and using cap space to sign whichever of Lopez or Hill hasn't been signed. Then, we can, in any order, use the room mid level exception, sign Middleton, S&T Brogdon. That process DOES create a TPE.

Requoted for posterity.

[emunney]

I think we're dumping Ersan instead of or possibly in addition to stretching Leuer.