Random Rumor and General Offseason Discussion Thread

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #1001 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:06 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

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This is interesting, doesn’t the league have to determine what is unlikely? And does that change year to year?

Unlikely goals are based on what the team or player did last year.

Post #1002 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:47 pm

Wasabi_Johnson wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

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This is interesting, doesn’t the league have to determine what is unlikely? And does that change year to year?

Unlikely goals are based on what the team or player did last year.

Feels like a great workaround for teams that sign big FAs. For example, something the Lakers could have employed. Nets FO just lapping everyone.

Post #1003 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:54 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

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This is interesting, doesn’t the league have to determine what is unlikely? And does that change year to year?

Yes. But since Brooklyn didn’t make the 2nd round this past year, it would start as “unlikely”. They still have to sign the players and fit their full salary (bonus included) into their cap, but it would then fall off immediately since the bonus would be unlikely. Then sign DAJ. Basically, this tool can be used, but it can’t be used on your “last” FA signing.

Post #1004 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:58 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

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This is interesting, doesn’t the league have to determine what is unlikely? And does that change year to year?

Yes. But since Brooklyn didn’t make the 2nd round this past year, it would start as “unlikely”. They still have to sign the players and fit their full salary (bonus included) into their cap, but it would then fall off immediately since the bonus would be unlikely. Then sign DAJ. Basically, this tool can be used, but it can’t be used on your “last” FA signing.

Got it, so that makes something similar for the Lakers not helpful.

I'm still really curious about this though, unlikely is based entirely on past team performance? That seems like a loophole that you could drive a truck through.

Post #1005 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:11 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

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This is interesting, doesn’t the league have to determine what is unlikely? And does that change year to year?

Yes. But since Brooklyn didn’t make the 2nd round this past year, it would start as “unlikely”. They still have to sign the players and fit their full salary (bonus included) into their cap, but it would then fall off immediately since the bonus would be unlikely. Then sign DAJ. Basically, this tool can be used, but it can’t be used on your “last” FA signing.

Got it, so that makes something similar for the Lakers not helpful.

Correct. A guy like Kawhi would have to agree to less, with the possibility of the bonus. It really would have no ultimate difference for them. It’s really if you have more than max space or multiple max space.

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I'm still really curious about this though, unlikely is based entirely on past team performance? That seems like a loophole that you could drive a truck through.

Solely on previous season. Player has to agree to it and again, that’s why they have to be able to fit it into their cap before it falls off.

Mostly could just be a way to get one more smaller salaries guy (generally under $5m) on the books of a team an player wanted to.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #1006 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:18 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Yes. But since Brooklyn didn’t make the 2nd round this past year, it would start as “unlikely”. They still have to sign the players and fit their full salary (bonus included) into their cap, but it would then fall off immediately since the bonus would be unlikely. Then sign DAJ. Basically, this tool can be used, but it can’t be used on your “last” FA signing.

Got it, so that makes something similar for the Lakers not helpful.

Correct. A guy like Kawhi would have to agree to less, with the possibility of the bonus. It really would have no ultimate difference for them. It’s really if you have more than max space or multiple max space.
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I'm still really curious about this though, unlikely is based entirely on past team performance? That seems like a loophole that you could drive a truck through.

Solely on previous season. Player has to agree to it and again, that’s why they have to be able to fit it into their cap before it falls off.

Mostly could just be a way to get one more smaller salaries guy (generally under $5m) on the books of a team an player wanted to.

Technically LAL is like 500k short of a max. So would let kawhi get his max.

Post #1007 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:58 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Noel back to the Thunder. Guessing it’s tax MLE?
That's nuts to me.

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Which way?

Noel is worth more than the tax MLE.

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Post #1008 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:19 pm

Wasabi_Johnson wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Got it, so that makes something similar for the Lakers not helpful.

Correct. A guy like Kawhi would have to agree to less, with the possibility of the bonus. It really would have no ultimate difference for them. It’s really if you have more than max space or multiple max space.
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I'm still really curious about this though, unlikely is based entirely on past team performance? That seems like a loophole that you could drive a truck through.

Solely on previous season. Player has to agree to it and again, that’s why they have to be able to fit it into their cap before it falls off.

Mostly could just be a way to get one more smaller salaries guy (generally under $5m) on the books of a team an player wanted to.

Technically LAL is like 500k short of a max. So would let kawhi get his max.

Yeah, wasn’t talking on that. Was talking about the concept of giving Kawhi an “unlikely bonus” in order to try and pay him more, like Brooklyn is likely doing with Durant/Kyrie so they can give Jordan the $10m they saved, and as long as Brooklyn makes the 2nd round, those two guys still get paid the same.

Not applicable in the Lakers case.

Post #1009 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:24 pm

offseason saved--Dallas signs Seth Curry again lol

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #1010 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:25 pm

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I like it.

blind prophet · Post #1011 » by **blind prophet** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:27 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:offseason saved--Dallas signs Seth Curry again lol

I'm going to thank Cuban for taking a potential Lakers target away too if Kawhi doesn't go there.

Post #1012 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:29 pm

blind prophet wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:offseason saved--Dallas signs Seth Curry again lol

I'm going to thank Cuban for taking a potential Lakers target away too if Kawhi doesn't go there.

I mean it's Kawhi, Danny Green, or ?

Post #1013 » by **VCfor3** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:29 pm

We either have a few cuts coming or more trades in the works.

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blind prophet · Post #1014 » by **blind prophet** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:31 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:offseason saved--Dallas signs Seth Curry again lol

I'm going to thank Cuban for taking a potential Lakers target away too if Kawhi doesn't go there.

I mean it's Kawhi, Danny Green, or ?

Hard to say at this point, they'll have significant cap, but so many holes. Who signs a minimum?

They likely scramble and make us lol and also get something from the min that's cheap that will be solid moves.

LofJ · Post #1015 » by **LofJ** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:32 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:offseason saved--Dallas signs Seth Curry again lol

I'm going to thank Cuban for taking a potential Lakers target away too if Kawhi doesn't go there.

I mean it's Kawhi, Danny Green, or ?

If Kawhi doesn't sign the Lakers are going to have to go dumpster diving and bring in castoffs like Elf Payton, Kaminsky, Stan Johnson, and Tyreke Evans.

The buyout market might actually be where they bring in the best talent.

Post #1016 » by **pacers33granger** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:37 pm

LofJ wrote:If Kawhi doesn't sign the Lakers are going to have to go dumpster diving and bring in castoffs like Elf Payton, Kaminsky, Stan Johnson, and Tyreke Evans.

Won't be Tyreke for 2 years at least.

Post #1017 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:37 pm

LofJ wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
I'm going to thank Cuban for taking a potential Lakers target away too if Kawhi doesn't go there.

I mean it's Kawhi, Danny Green, or ?

If Kawhi doesn't sign the Lakers are going to have to go dumpster diving and bring in castoffs like Elf Payton, Kaminsky, Stan Johnson, and Tyreke Evans.

The buyout market might actually be where they bring in the best talent.

Reke is done for now.

Maybe at that point they take someone like Teague in a trade? One year deal that won't require comp going back. But hard to find a match of teams willing to help the Lakers and have those kind of players they want to give away.

LofJ · Post #1018 » by **LofJ** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:41 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
LofJ wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
I mean it's Kawhi, Danny Green, or ?

If Kawhi doesn't sign the Lakers are going to have to go dumpster diving and bring in castoffs like Elf Payton, Kaminsky, Stan Johnson, and Tyreke Evans.

The buyout market might actually be where they bring in the best talent.

Reke is done for now.

Maybe at that point they take someone like Teague in a trade? One year deal that won't require comp going back. But hard to find a match of teams willing to help the Lakers and have those kind of players they want to give away.

The Lakers can have Batum for free. He might actually try if he's playing with Lebron and AD.

I could also see the Cavs buying out Clarkson and/or Knight.

Eskobar13 · Post #1019 » by **Eskobar13** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:53 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:offseason saved--Dallas signs Seth Curry again lol

Re-sign Kleber, DFS, Barea and that's an off-season done, no?

Also no more deals past 2021 after Curry I assume.

Post #1020 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:59 pm

Eskobar13 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:offseason saved--Dallas signs Seth Curry again lol

Re-sign Kleber, DFS, Barea and that's an off-season done, no?

Also no more deals past 2021 after Curry I assume.

Stein says they still want Danny Green but waiting on Kawhi. They still need another big or two as well.