Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

LuessiT · Post #621 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 5:46 pm

Nowak008 wrote:Could we get Waiters + picks for the TPE? Heat are trying to clear salary.

Yes we could as long as he fits (he makes 12.1m so the TPE would have to be at least 12m). That said Waiters has 2 more years on his contract and we may have to dump him next year for cap purposes so the assets we get better be good.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #622 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 5:46 pm

Nowak008 wrote:Could we get Waiters + picks for the TPE? Heat are trying to clear salary.

Nehm is saying the TPE won't exist once it's all said and done.

Nowak008 · Post #623 » by **Nowak008** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 5:50 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
Nowak008 wrote:Could we get Waiters + picks for the TPE? Heat are trying to clear salary.

Nehm is saying the TPE won't exist once it's all said and done.

So is GAD smarter than Horst? Or is GAD losing his fastball?

MuckyFingers · Post #624 » by **MuckyFingers** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 5:54 pm

Nehm has repeatedly said you do whatever it takes to make Giannis want to stay, and if that meant overpaying Middleton, Brook, et al, so be it. Well if they plan on running out DDV or Sterling as the starting two-guard next year while not paying Brogdon, that is pretty much the opposite of going all in.

soxperry · Post #625 » by **soxperry** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:22 pm

MuckyFingers wrote:Nehm has repeatedly said you do whatever it takes to make Giannis want to stay, and if that meant overpaying Middleton, Brook, et al, so be it. Well if they plan on running out DDV or Sterling as the starting two-guard next year while not paying Brogdon, that is pretty much the opposite of going all in.

We really just need to wait and see the entire picture. At this time last year no one had a clue that Brook would unlock and free Giannis to set the unassisted dunk record on our way to 60 wins. Theres still a lot to be decided.

machu46 · Post #626 » by **machu46** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:34 pm

Nowak008 wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:
Nowak008 wrote:Could we get Waiters + picks for the TPE? Heat are trying to clear salary.

Nehm is saying the TPE won't exist once it's all said and done.

So is GAD smarter than Horst? Or is GAD losing his fastball?

The path to creating the TPE seems pretty straight-forward. If we don't end up getting it, it's most likely because we had no intention of using it.

Edit: This could be for a few different reasons:

1. The Bucks don't want to get rid of Ilyasova or use assets to get rid of Leuer (I think stretching him keeps us just barely short of being able to get the TPE).
2. The Bucks would rather get rid of those guys to create cap space and sign a free agent a little cheaper than the trade exception would allow.
3. The Bucks don't want to spend more money anyways, so getting the TPE would be a waste of time and assets.

LUKE23 · Post #627 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:36 pm

Roster is crazy unbalanced right now so I expect another move. Just don't think it will be major contributor. Need to add some 3 point shooting badly, we were 14th in percentage last year and lost Brogdon and Mirotic (and Snell if you want to nitpick, although that was a good trade).

GBPackers47 · Post #628 » by **GBPackers47** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:41 pm

soxperry wrote:
MuckyFingers wrote:Nehm has repeatedly said you do whatever it takes to make Giannis want to stay, and if that meant overpaying Middleton, Brook, et al, so be it. Well if they plan on running out DDV or Sterling as the starting two-guard next year while not paying Brogdon, that is pretty much the opposite of going all in.

We really just need to wait and see the entire picture. At this time last year no one had a clue that Brook would unlock and free Giannis to set the unassisted dunk record on our way to 60 wins. Theres still a lot to be decided.

Hell the majority of this board was bitching about Brook Lopez last summer saying he’d be out with a major injury by the midway point.

leroyjw10 · Post #629 » by **leroyjw10** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:47 pm

soxperry wrote:
MuckyFingers wrote:Nehm has repeatedly said you do whatever it takes to make Giannis want to stay, and if that meant overpaying Middleton, Brook, et al, so be it. Well if they plan on running out DDV or Sterling as the starting two-guard next year while not paying Brogdon, that is pretty much the opposite of going all in.

We really just need to wait and see the entire picture. At this time last year no one had a clue that Brook would unlock and free Giannis to set the unassisted dunk record on our way to 60 wins. Theres still a lot to be decided.

I feel like most of us are underappreciating the Bud impact. They were known for developing wings in ATL. I think him and his staff can do the same for Sterling, Pat and Donte, the same way they unlocked Brook and Giannis last year. The SG rotation may not look great on paper, but those three are far from finished products.

RogerMurdock · Post #630 » by **RogerMurdock** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:53 pm

A light has been extinguished in my life.

ON THE BRIGHT SIDE...I won't have to see people misspelling Brogdon's name on this board much longer.

DrWood · Post #631 » by **DrWood** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:05 pm

soxperry wrote:$12M TPE + Bledsoe + Indy 1st = Deangelo Russell?

I'd prefer getting D'lo for Midds.

tedbrogen · Post #632 » by **tedbrogen** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:23 pm

DrWood wrote:
soxperry wrote:$12M TPE + Bledsoe + Indy 1st = Deangelo Russell?

I'd prefer getting D'lo for Midds.

Russell can't play D. Bledsoe was first team all NBA defense. Bledsoe is signed to a way friendlier contract. Bledsoe can finish at the rim.

BucksFanSD · Post #633 » by **BucksFanSD** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:35 pm

We need another shooter badly. Best case for me would be upgrading Bledsoe to a shooter at PG. Just can't win deep in the playoffs until that is solved.

Bernman · Post #634 » by **Bernman** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:41 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Roster is crazy unbalanced right now so I expect another move. Just don't think it will be major contributor. Need to add some 3 point shooting badly, we were 14th in percentage last year and lost Brogdon and Mirotic (and Snell if you want to nitpick, although that was a good trade).

That is presuming competence in leadership, which we had under Edens, but not previously under Lasry, when I made the same presumption in 2015 because of the lack of spacing and depth, but nothing ever happened and the team massively underachieved.

So we'll see if Horst is allowed to do his job this time. If he is, something else is up their sleeve. If not, this may be more or less all that comes to fruition. Who is this offseason's version of Chris Copeland or Greivis Vazquez? That's something you could have to look forward to....

Post #635 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:51 pm

Bernman wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Roster is crazy unbalanced right now so I expect another move. Just don't think it will be major contributor. Need to add some 3 point shooting badly, we were 14th in percentage last year and lost Brogdon and Mirotic (and Snell if you want to nitpick, although that was a good trade).

That is presuming competence in leadership, which we had under Edens, but not previously under Lasry, when I made the same presumption in 2015 because of the lack of spacing and depth, but nothing ever happened and the team massively underachieved.

Edens has been the BOG rep since they took over ownership. His five-year term doesn't switch to Lasry until later this month.

Bucksfan28 · Post #636 » by **Bucksfan28** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:53 pm

BucksFanSD wrote:We need another shooter badly. Best case for me would be upgrading Bledsoe to a shooter at PG. Just can't win deep in the playoffs until that is solved.

We were a double-OT loss away from going up 3-0 in the ECF vs the eventual champs. In a series where a lot of guys underperformed. C'mon..

BucksFanSD · Post #637 » by **BucksFanSD** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:02 pm

Bucksfan28 wrote:
BucksFanSD wrote:We need another shooter badly. Best case for me would be upgrading Bledsoe to a shooter at PG. Just can't win deep in the playoffs until that is solved.

We were a double-OT loss away from going up 3-0 in the ECF vs the eventual champs. In a series where a lot of guys underperformed. C'mon..

....and we lost Brogdon. Shooters around Giannis is obviously a need.

LuessiT · Post #638 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:08 pm

Nowak008 wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:
Nowak008 wrote:Could we get Waiters + picks for the TPE? Heat are trying to clear salary.

Nehm is saying the TPE won't exist once it's all said and done.

So is GAD smarter than Horst? Or is GAD losing his fastball?

GAD is smarter than Nehm. Cap expert Horst used exactly how much we have available so Horst gets a nod too.

Post #639 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:13 pm

3.5 months until the season opens. Plenty of time to tweak the roster.

slos · Post #640 » by **slos** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:44 pm

Have to say that I really like IND 2020 FRP. This could be a lottery pick. There is too much injury concern in Brogdon/Dipo backcourt. Also Brog is not a PG and they went from Bogdanovic/Young to Warren...

Milwaukee, Philly, Toronto, Boston, Brooklyn will be in front of Indy. Orlando, Miami and one of Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta can push Indy out of the playoffs pretty easily IMHO.