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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#101 » by moocow007 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:16 pm

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R-DAWG wrote:In a vaccum, none of these moves are terrible. But combined, not the best approach to the offseason. No need to make all these moves in the first 24 hours. Let things develop. There might have been the opportunity to use the cap space to grab a future pick. Now, there is a roster overloaded with medicore players fighting for their NBA careers. Payton, Ellington and Portis were overkill. I would be fine with Randle and Bullock and cap flexibility.

Mills needs to go.


if frank has grown to 6'7~6'8. isn't he better fit as a scottie pippen type? Defensive wing that can be a secondary initiator of the offense? This means IMHO that the knicks see how big frank is and turn him into a livingston/iggy/brianshaw/pippen type. A versitile defensive wing that can initiate the offense.

Portis I have no problem with, neither with ellington he is just a solid vet at the end of his career. good locker room guy from what i see. Vet leadership.


I'll be blunt. While I think Frank is a solid defender, I don't see anything remotely close to an elite defender. The same reason why he doesn't seem to impact the offensive end rolls into his defensive game. He just isn't the most aggressive or intense personality. And to me to be truly top tier defensively you need to be able to be a junkyard dog. And that's just not his personality. If he could shoot then that would be fine, but he's really just a tall solid (not spectacular) one dimensional defender. Hard to really get him lots of minutes in this system and in today's game.
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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#102 » by Da_Mane_Man » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:17 pm

sigh. anyone wanna show me some Elfrid Payton highlights from last year? :nonono:
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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#103 » by SOUL » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:24 pm

Da_Mane_Man wrote:sigh. anyone wanna show me some Elfrid Payton highlights from last year? :nonono:








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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#104 » by dmzed » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:24 pm

Wasn't Payton considered a good defender with the magic?
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Post#105 » by Fat Kat » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:27 pm

Da_Mane_Man wrote:sigh. anyone wanna show me some Elfrid Payton highlights from last year? :nonono:




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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#106 » by Da_Mane_Man » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:28 pm

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Da_Mane_Man wrote:sigh. anyone wanna show me some Elfrid Payton highlights from last year? :nonono:




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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#107 » by MaseInYourFace » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:29 pm

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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#108 » by MaseInYourFace » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:30 pm

VCBC wrote:Bye bye Frank, so much for developing picks

Hoodwinked from day 1

Hoping that Perry has used all the cap so the craziness stops


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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#109 » by BadNewsBarnes » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:34 pm

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Post#110 » by MaseInYourFace » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:34 pm

Isn’t he a pretty good defender too?
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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#111 » by MaseInYourFace » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:37 pm

blanko wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:In a vaccum, none of these moves are terrible. But combined, not the best approach to the offseason. No need to make all these moves in the first 24 hours. Let things develop. There might have been the opportunity to use the cap space to grab a future pick. Now, there is a roster overloaded with medicore players fighting for their NBA careers. Payton, Ellington and Portis were overkill. I would be fine with Randle and Bullock and cap flexibility.

Mills needs to go.


if frank has grown to 6'7~6'8. isn't he better fit as a scottie pippen type? Defensive wing that can be a secondary initiator of the offense? This means IMHO that the knicks see how big frank is and turn him into a livingston/iggy/brianshaw/pippen type. A versitile defensive wing that can initiate the offense.

Portis I have no problem with, neither with ellington he is just a solid vet at the end of his career. good locker room guy from what i see. Vet leadership.


I would love it. But honestly it’s really up to Frank and how bad he wants it. The natural tools are there.
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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#112 » by SOUL » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:39 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:Isn’t he a pretty good defender too?


He was good his 1st season or two. Slipped a bit before being traded from the Magic. I think he started to play pretty good defense again last year with the Pelicans. Certainly capable of it for sure. He's good at switches (like, being switched onto a bigger guy) and is really annoying to deal with when matched up against bigger guards. He has trouble guarding smaller/faster guards and sometimes floats around and likes to half-commit or help at bad times. I'd say he's strictly "solid" but has room for improvement.
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Post#113 » by SOUL » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:41 pm

Also Mitch will LOVE this guy he's a top tier lob thrower.
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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#114 » by MaseInYourFace » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:43 pm

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Da_Mane_Man wrote:sigh. anyone wanna show me some Elfrid Payton highlights from last year? :nonono:










He showed some real flashes last season.
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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#115 » by SOUL » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:48 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:He showed some real flashes last season.


A lot of Magic fans gave him a bad rap. His shot was awful, true, but he was doing everything else out there.. the issue was at the time we had no other great shooters so it just looked extra bad when our point guard wasn't hitting open shots regularly. The biggest thing with him is he needs the ball in his hands when he's on the court (not all the time, but a good amount of it). He will get people easy buckets and run the team at the pace they're comfortable with.. if he's forced to play off-ball it won't work as well. Maybe with someone like Jrue who can still get people involved and create his own offense, but if he has to defer to another guard that isn't as good at making plays for others and has iffy decision making, it's kinda wasting Payton's strengths.
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Post#116 » by MaseInYourFace » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:50 pm

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MaseInYourFace wrote:He showed some real flashes last season.


A lot of Magic fans gave him a bad rap. His shot was awful, true, but he was doing everything else out there.. the issue was at the time we had no other great shooters so it just looked extra bad when our point guard wasn't hitting open shots regularly. The biggest thing with him is he needs the ball in his hands when he's on the court (not all the time, but a good amount of it). He will get people easy buckets and run the team at the pace they're comfortable with.. if he's forced to play off-ball it won't work as well. Maybe with someone like Jrue who can still get people involved and create his own offense, but if he has to defer to another guard that isn't as good at making plays for others and has iffy decision making, it's kinda wasting Payton's strengths.


I notice it takes him a while to gather up for his shot.
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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#117 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:53 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
SOUL wrote:
Da_Mane_Man wrote:sigh. anyone wanna show me some Elfrid Payton highlights from last year? :nonono:










He showed some real flashes last season.



Payton def starting over DSJ

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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#118 » by MaseInYourFace » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:55 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
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He showed some real flashes last season.



Payton def starting over DSJ

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I would let them battle it out.
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Post#119 » by Capn'O » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:55 pm

BadNewsBarnes wrote:I'm sorry, I was trying to figure out the Knicks FO strategy and I have run out of bread crumbs...


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Re: (Shams) Knicks sign Elfrid Payton 

Post#120 » by Knicksfan20 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:59 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:Elfriid Payton is Mudiay with a bit better passing.

Anyone celebrating this needs to figure out why.

He plays good defense and rebounds well also. Also is a much better facilitator then Payton. The fact we don’t have to see Mudiay in the team is a big win to me

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